Knicks 92, Lakers 85: "Don't wake me up."
by Seth on Feb 10, 2012 11:59 PM EST
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PrintFirst of all, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHFHFHIOFHOIADHAOGOIGHAOHI!!!!!!
Moving on. This'll be a short recap (I think) in part because it's the weekend and I want to go celebrate and in part because I am completely dumbfounded. Like fuhry flossy in the post-game thread, I keep expecting the dream to end, but it still hasn't. It just keeps getting better and better.
If you missed tonight's game, 1. I feel terribly sorry for you. 2. Jeremy Lin, somehow, just kept building his legend, and this time he did it against an extremely physical defense with some towers in the paint. He finished with yet another career-high point total of 38 to go with seven assists, four rebounds, and two steals (six turnovers, too) and he did it in such a way that I no longer have a voice, which doesn't really matter because I am speechless.
After the jump, an insufficient summary of what Lin did, plus some quick individual breakdowns of the other Knicks to play and other details and stuff.
- Let's just get this out of the way: The Lakers played like hogshit. They were tired and rickety and sloppy. A couple weeks ago, a Lakers team playing like this still would have destroyed the Knicks.
Lin by quarter:
1. The Lakers made it clear from the outset that they were going to 1. Beat the hell out of Lin. 2. Sag off him and let him shoot. The former didn't rattle him and neither did the latter. After missing his first jumper and getting thrown to the ground by "Metta World Peace", Lin drilled a three over "World Peace" on a second opportunity, then nailed an in-rhythm pull-up two when Derek Fisher went under a screen. Then he threw a gorgeous look-away lob to Tyson Chandler in transition. Then he drilled another pull-up jumper from the free throw line extended. Then I swallowed my tongue. He finished the quarter with 10 points (all in the first five minutes), adding a coast-to-coast lay-in off a backcourt steal before he hit the bench.
2. Lin returned with about 8 minutes left in the second and started to see multiple defenders. He was flummoxed in the paint a couple times, losing his dribble in the process, but got used to the new look and drove by Steve Blake twice, once to draw a foul on the floor, then again to hit a floater plus the foul. He kept right on driving, knifing right to the rim a few times, stopping and rotating for a mid-range J at least once, and tossing a couple gorgeous passes to Steve Novak on the perimeter or Chandler slipping to the rim. His best basket -- and I say this with the uneasiness of a father picking the favorite of his thirteen beloved children-- was a spinning righty finish in transition right past a Laker big (don't remember which because my eyeballs fell out of my head). It was obscene.
Oh, and he threw an inbound pass to himself off Jared Jeffries's back at one point. That was badass.
3. More drives and finishes, even with contact. Derek Fisher got burned and so did Jason Kapono and I think I may have gotten scored on too but I'm not mad.
4. Lin reentered the game with things getting a little shaky, and the Knicks immediately went on a 6-0 run (the first four points came from Iman Shumpert). Lin faked a three and drilled a long pull-up two then, off an offensive rebound, nailed a corner three. Later, he blew by Matt Barnes and finished what has now become a signature twisting righty reverse lay-up in the left side of the rim. He drew what was pretty much the game-winning charge.
I missed some things. All throughout, there were nice feeds to Chandler, some slick dimes in transition, and a couple of kick-outs for open threes. Guys weren't finishing his passes the same way they were on Wednesday or he would've easily had double-digit assists. This was definitely more of an attacking game, though, because the Lakers made a concerted effort to clog the paint and force Lin to either shoot or kick out...so he did. He kept demanding the ball and attacking against mismatches, catching guys on the wrong foot, and squeezing himself into tight spaces to score and draw fouls. Lin did some stuff wrong-- he over-helped defensively on occasion, telegraphed some passes, and lost his handle a few times-- but dominated in pretty much every other regard. It was and still is unbelievable.
I say all the above in semi-coherent sentences with punctuation and lower-case letters and stuff, but let me make it clear that I screamed at the top of my lungs pretty uniformly from 8 PM until about 11. If I had a voice, I'd still be screaming. I'm pretty sure there are little birds circling my head. I am absolutely beside myself.
- The MVP of people who are humans was Tyson Chandler. Tyson didn't get many looks (4-5) because of that collapsing Los Angeles defense, but he absolutely dominated the defensive end of the floor. He held Andrew Bynum to 1-8 shooting and just 3 points by wedging Bynum away from the basket before the catch, forcing him under the rim if he got the ball down low, and keeping his hands up without fouling (just three, which was massive). The Knicks brought help on Bynum, especially early, but for the most part, it was a brilliant individual effort from Chandler.
- When and if Chandler had help, it was often provided by Jared Jeffries. Jeffries was everywhere defensively, and he actually finished some fine plays at the rim, including one of the most awkward jump-stop lay-ups I've ever seen. It should have been a travel just out of principle, but we'll take the two points.
- Speaking of which, I don't really care anymore, but the refs swindled New York out of a possession by calling a foul, granting Tyson Chandler free throws, then retracting those two points later in the game when they realized the Lakers weren't actually in the penalty at the time (and didn't Chandler hit only one of the free throws, or did we make that up?). Doesn't matter now, but that was weird. For what it's worth, they totally made it up later by giving the Knicks a new 24 in the fourth quarter even though a shot clearly hadn't hit the rim.
- Landry Fields played good, aggressive (though, late in the game, futile) defense against Kobe Bryant, but was silent from the field. So was Bill Walker. Iman Shumpert, too, until that fourth quarter, when he hit some huuuuge Laker-momentum-busting shots off the dribble and in transition. Shump, like he does, missed a ton of open lay-ups off nice drives, but those buckets down the stretch were crucial.
- Also, his bright orange shoes made Shump's feet blend into the paint on TV. It made it look like he was stepping into an orange pool, which was neat.
- I might be mistaken, the only other time Clyde has worn his white/black/brown cow suit (he wore it, by the way) was during last year's home win over the Spurs, which may have been the best win of the year. He should save it for special occasions, but yo...that thing is powerful.
- Steve Novak shot just 2-8 on threes. The team as a whole shot just 5-21 from downtown!
- Bill Walker got in the head of "Metta World Peace" (which doesn't seem too difficult) and drove him to commit roughly nine fouls in a span of a minute in the third quarter. That helped.
- Kobe and a heap of missed free throws nearly undid everything. If they lost, I may have rioted. By myself. Just out in the streets burnin' shit and tryin' to flip cars. It would have been bedlam.
- The Knicks beat the Lakers without Amar'e Stoudemire, without Carmelo Anthony, with 5-21 shooting from downtown, with a 48-41 rebounding deficit, and with Shump, Fields, and Walker shooting 9-31.
There's other stuff but we'll talk about it tomorrow. I'm gonna get naked and go do somersaults in the street. I love you all.
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Ah man I'm loving the emotions! Super Special Awesome Recap, Seth!
Has anyone heard the Kobe post game yet? Does he know who Lin is yet?
P&T <3, tonight I sleep the sleep of the pure of heart.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 AM EST reply actions
Study the Tao!
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
by east_harlem on Feb 11, 2012 12:09 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Really? Bruce Lee?
Not feeling that. Sorry. It’s not racist, but how many more Asians have to ball before Bruce Lee isn’t the first thing that comes up.
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by JLee2025 on Feb 11, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's like his third or fourth one
chill
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Bruce Lee is awesome and so is Jeremy Lin
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
by east_harlem on Feb 11, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I mean it's kind of satirical but I also realize that I can't dictate how it's going to be interpreted...should I stop?
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
by east_harlem on Feb 11, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Andrew Bynum's head does not deserved to be graced with Kareem Abdul Jabar's body
by secret defense on Feb 11, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions
Lol sorry but that's who they have now
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
by east_harlem on Feb 11, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. That really crosses a line...
from tasteless to racist…
It really isn’t any more racist than like 60% of the comments I’ve seen on here over the last week.
by SioneBAAOOOHA on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
There have been some bad ones - even on this very page
But this is as bad as any. And he’s a national sportswriter whose tweets reach thousands, not some random internet commenter.
60% of comments on P & T have been racist?
I guess me and you have been visiting different pages. Most of the people here know how to behave.
Me and my squad build just like contractors
I break s***, you only give hairline fractures
by LatrellSprewell on Feb 11, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
and the rest have been told how to behave
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Yeah I haven't seen anything that bad
I really hate seeing stuff like the Yellow Mamba and shit though. That’s so lame
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what about the sign that read "yellow mamba" in the garden?
by bucketsncents on Feb 11, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
it was cute, but uncomfortable...
I’m kinda uneasy about this sudden tendency to drag race into the “witty” signs all over the place.
It’s almost like a playful excuse for people to showcase their stereotypes and have it be ok.
The only thing I thought that was brilliant so far was a guy on here made the comment “Whoever said Asians can’t drive, has never seen Jeremy Lin.” THAT was hilarious.
The rest though…. Not really a fan.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t really find it “cute”; the Yellow jokes kinda piss me off, but yeah like the driving stuff is silly and like Lin plays it up a bit with the bows and he did that one celebration that was like a karate punch. But considering how much we all love him, I hate to see inappropriate stuff
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Actually, serious question about this
Do East Asians not like being called yellow? Black is a common term for African Americans, white people obviously don’t mind being called white, South Asian people generally have no problem with being called brown… but Native Americans dislike being called red. So, I’m just wondering how much of a problem it is to refer to an East Asian as yellow. Yellow Mamba struck me as unproblematic because while it referred to his race, it didn’t say anything about it. I know that if I were in his place, I would not at all mind a sign saying “Brown Mamba”.
Nah, I wouldn't be. Not just from you asking anyway.
There’s a gulf between a self-imposed nickname like Black Mamba and some Internet guy dubbing Jeremy Yello Melo or General Tso or something. Not to even get into the sociological conversation of how American culture views both black and asian males and how it all conflates in the testosterone-soaked world of sports.
Then there’s shit like Jason Whitlock’s tweet last night: http://twitter.com/#!/WhitlockJason/status/168180609242497025
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
a sports writer
They’re like farts. Finding one you like is almost impossible.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Yeah, I feel you.
Us South Asians have kind of adopted the brown thing for ourselves. It’s totally different when it’s not self-imposed. And of course, the word yellow doesn’t have the greatest connotations in a non-racial sense either…
Jason Whitlock is a moron of the highest degree. I think the world would be a better place without him.
Part of the problem I think is the Black Mamba is an actual snake.
It’s not referring to Kobe’s race, at least it shouldn’t be. The term “Yellow Mamba” is a fictitious construct exclusively playing off the Asian thing.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 11, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
some lucky box of donuts, gallon of ice cream and bottle of soda
is going to accompany Jason Witlock to bed tonight
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by astromets on Feb 11, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I picture him as a cookie man
He probably has a king size bed, so he can get crumbs on one side and sleep on the other.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Is that what he meant?
I thought that guy meant that he himself was planning to visit New York tonight and was really excited. Confusing stuff!
isn't he too fat for sex?
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Man....
when Lin hit em with that spin move, I literally screamed like a girl lol
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all
we have sucked for ten years
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
incredible
This kid is carrying an NBA team. There’s thousand of players, current and past who never did it for one game let alone four of them.
by BIG OH!!!!! on Feb 11, 2012 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm just now watching the game
at one point, the announcers suggested that Jeffries should drive the basketball. uh, yeah, okay
just wait til Tyson tries to
it’s ok to laugh cause we won!
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I'd rather Jeffries than Tyson
Because Jeffries is nimble and can actually dribble
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just referring to when he did, I think in the 4th
you can laugh, as it ended terribly in rejection yet we won
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vaguely remember that play
chandler was wide open on the wings, and tried to attack, right? slipped and stumbled, ball slipped out/was slapped out. Honestly, he doesn’t have that bad a form on his shot that, if he’s that wide open, taking a jump shot isn’t the worst idea and isn’t any worse of an idea than Chandler slashing down the lane.
He's got to keep them guessing
Will he attempt a bad jumper or a bad drive? Ha. Seriously, Chandler played great last night, I’ve got no problem with him trying to expand his game.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
One of Chandler’s greatest virtues is that he knows his limitations and focuses on his strengths. There’s a reason why he’s leading the league in FG%.
If Chandler has the potential to expand his game, I’d love to see him add another dimension to it. But he’s here to defend, rebound, set picks, and dunk. He’s done all those things superlatively well so far this season, and I don’t see why we should demand more of him.
Lord knows we don’t need another mediocre mid-range shooter.
by sisterray24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Ron Artest/ MWP on Jeremy Lin
Q: Do you wear leather pants?
A: No, I won’t wear them, but he should wear leather pants. He’s the type of guy who should wear leather pants, some nice shoes and change his fashion. You’re Jeremy Lin, for godsakes. You know what I’m saying? You know? Put down that law book, stop reading the New York Times and start reading the Daily News. Newsday, that’s the one. I like that one because there’s always color in that one. What else? Wall Street Journal. Get some swag. You’re in New York City. Put your hat to the back, too. Put your hat on backwards. Come to practice with your pants sagging and just tell them, ‘I don’t feel like practicing.’ Practice? You know? Practice? And wear an Iverson jersey. You know? Come to practice with a cigar. Lit. ‘I’m Jeremy Lin.’ You know? He should change. We’re all excited to play tonight. It’s like the first time for everybody. Everybody’s excited. Kobe’s excited. He wants to get 50. He wants to welcome Jeremy Lin to his new level."
So is the reporter
I don’t usually watch the post-game interviews, but I’m pretty sure this is the first time anyone’s ever been asked whether they wear leather pants in response to a basketball game.
Also, Artest seems to have become the dumbest player on the court in recent years, or did I just never notice before? He makes Balkman look good.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
He's getting old and his athleticism is almost all gone
So he looks clumsy and slow and makes stupid-looking mistakes
I see that.
But then early in the game where he wrestled Lin to the ground and the just gave the ref his crazy puppy eyes, like “oh shit, I forgot I wasn’t allowed to do that!”
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell does this even mean?
stop reading the New York Times and start reading the Daily News. Newsday, that’s the one. I like that one because there’s always color in that one. What else? Wall Street Journal.
Nooobody knows what it means.
It’s supposed to be provocative!
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Ron Artest is a poet at heart, if you don’t get it then it’s ok, it wasn’t for you.
I’m sure some dude somewhere is reading that and nodding his head like “yeah, that’s what I was thinking” as he runs his hairy palms up and down the shaft of his skull bong.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Wait this is an actual quote?
I thought you made this up
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Awesome recap for a crazy game Seth...!
I was screamin’ every play man!!! Felt like I was back in the 90’s again!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so scared of waking up
this is so nice.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
that charge he took was priceless
… and so was the reacton of Melo and BD on the bench.
The kid has a very complete game and was incredible tonight.
Well Done guys! Now on to Rubio.
Somebody better change their minds and put that game on national TV. The ratings will be thru the roof.
cannnnnnnot wait until this boy shows up at Dyckman and Rucker
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by youngjedifresh on Feb 11, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Lakers fan here
to give you guys my insight about the game. Congrats on beating us. You guys murdered us on offense. Other than the few highlights of his previous games, I didn’t know how good Lin was until now. He really has turned the team around for you guys, and I’m proud to see you guys look like the
We looked so flat after beating the Celtics in crunch time since our shots were not falling and we struggled mightily on offense.
Good luck o you guys the rest of the season.
Proud to be a brony.
by yoshifan on Feb 11, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Classy post.
Thanks man, same to you.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
You're welcome
BTW, I thought Lin was gonna be the next Rondo, but I was DEAD WRONG. He hit a bunch of jump shots against us. Looks like Lin’s the next Steve Nash.
Proud to be a brony.
Magic Johnson described him as a blend of Nash and Stockton
Dribble of Nash and the P&R game of Stockton.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 11, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bynum said he’s Nash only more aggressive with his ability to go to the basket. Wouldn’t that make him better than Nash? The only thing missing is huge assist numbers, and that’s only because he’s passing to Walker and JJ instead of Melo and Stat.
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
Ya think?
Plus hes a friggin rookie, more or less. Only-gonna-get-better.
Nash is also one of the best shooters in NBA history.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Thanks for the kind words...
It was a great game and it’s a testament to your team that this win means a lot to us here.
kind of random but you have a really interesting lineup of favorite teams!
Thanks for the classiness though! ’ppreciate that!
Oops! Typo alert!
First sentence was supposed to end with “I’m proud to see you guys look like the dominant team you were supposed to be long time ago.”
Proud to be a brony.
Ehhh
Kobe’s ego is to big. He was chucking just for the simple fact of he didn’t want to lose to J Lin. We had no answer for Gasol, Kobe just wanted to light up the garden as usual and the Knicks were playing inspired basketball.
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Been a problem of Kobe's more than in just this game
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Awesome recap, Seth.
I’m speechless and real happy….
he is the most linteresting man in the world
"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan
now lets go get a goddamn snack.
by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Feb 11, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Jeremy Lin is Elite
That’s my report from what I saw at the Garden tonight. Oh yeah, and way too many Lakers fans there.
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Lotsa Knicks fans in LA too.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
won't be fans of any team but the Knicks at the garden much longer
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FTFY...
won’t be fans of any team but the Knicks much longer
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
it'll be the same wagons too
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
The true highlight from tonight...
Was when Lin did… I dunno, something NASTY, then followed it up by doing a hip bump with Jeffries who was wearing a massive, full torso ice pack. Anybody have a GIF of that?
by nocookiesforme on Feb 11, 2012 12:29 AM EST reply actions
I think it was when he hit that three...
in the 4th.
I think
your next real test is against the Mavs, Hawks, and the Heat before the All-Star break.
Proud to be a brony.
tomorrow is a pretty big test for Lin
first back to back, with the 2nd on the road, against a very quick PG.
That said, it’s good for him to get these types of tests early.
annndd... The Timberwolves are winning games this year.
They have a better record than us right now.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's passed the test
tomorrow is a pretty big opportunity for Lin to kick ass.
by sisterray24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
STAT, I know you're down
but LIN will cheer you up with great look after great look. I seriously cannot wait til they on the court together game after game!!
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was just saying this to my lady
they’re gona look great. PS thank you Jeremy Lin for reminding her why she converted from a Lakers to a Knicks fan for me.
brb still doing my congratulatory dance
… okay back.
Sweet baby jeebus. That was one of the most entertaining games of bball I’ve ever seen. Like wow. I can’t explain how happy I am to see this team clicking and the apparent chemistry. The defense was amazing and Lin controlled the offense. I’ll keep this short because I’m still over filling with happiness and will probably start to gush/ramble… but my lord, this team with Melo and Amar’e is going to be scary. I don’t want to hear, “but the ball will stop”… it won’t. It’ll open the game up for everyone. Basically replace Walker with Melo and Jefferies with Amar’e (although JJ still deserves minutes obviously)… Lin will destroy opposing defenses with those two getting so much attention and create shots for both of them.
by hvino on Feb 11, 2012 12:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Enough with that Lin is the next steve nash
J LiN is the next J Lin
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
glad everyone is on the wagon
this party cannot get too full!!!
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Mare is catchin someone BlakeGriff status once he gets back
calling that one early… I might cry if he does it to bosh
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
J Lin is the future.
No more comparisons, no more what ifs. The guy just dropped 38 against Kobe. Let’s celebrate, live in the moment!!! Yeaaah!
Pretty darn close..
If Landry can hold Wade somewhat in check, no way our team at full strength cant take them in a series. We are built to beat that team
by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 11, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
you know
that thought crossed my mind right now. If Melo and Amare meld back in, Lin is still solid, and the defense is this strong, this might be the Eastern Conference favorites. A long way to go until then, though, and getting to .500 is the first step for you guys (which at this rate, might happen next week).
Gotta agree with you.
This is the team that I imagined in the pre-season, except I expected Baron Davis to be doing what J-Lin is, I think when we have Baron back (and if maybe we sign JR—-and he works for us—-) we will have a serious problem (in a good way) on the court. I’m just gonna enjoy this though, its just nice to get the stench of losing off of us for now.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I expected Melo and STAT to be playing – I can’t wait to see them back on the court.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
Could be
picking up Lin and Novak….drafting Iman….trading for Tyson….all good moves that have panned out for now…
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Ahhh
enjoying this so much!
Darrelle Revis once won a game of Connect Four in three moves.
by bm01bath on Feb 11, 2012 12:44 AM EST via Android app reply actions
LOL
I got banned from Silver Screen and Roll for one comment…which was this (verbatim)
I wonder
If Kobe knows who Jeremy Lin is now?
Haha good game Lakers are still going to be a threat deep in the playoffs. Kobe is one of the best ever but he can be a real douche sometimes and I’m glad Lin didn’t back down.
Good luck with the rest of the season
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Please don't troll like that
It makes all Knicks fans look bad.
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that is not ban worthy
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that's not really trolling
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
"Kobe is one of the best ever but he can be a real douche"
is not something that you post on a Laker’s blog unless you’re trying to piss people off. You don’t want to hear a fan of another team say that you’re team’s best player “can be a real douche.” That’s flat out trolling.
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He can be a real douche sometimes?
CAN BE A REAL DOUCHE SOMETIMES?
That’s really insulting? When I also called him one of the greatest ever?
OK then I’m guilty.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
They probably interpreted it as a backhanded compliment.
In any case, you can’t expect them to be happy to welcome you after a crushing loss.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 11, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not trolling.
Not classy either but hey, Kobe was kinda douchey with his responses.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
honestly
i didn’t really find much fault with what Kobe said. He basically said that he heard of Lin but wasn’t aware of what was going on. It’s not completely implausible, and when considering the tight NBA schedule, I can buy it. Add in that he was being asked this right after the Celtics game, and I’m sure he was probably a bit ticked off/annoyed to be peppered with those questions.
In response to guarding Lin, he said:
“Jesus Christ. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves”.
That’s pretty douchey and I’m so glad Lin chose this game to drop 38
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im sure he heard about the remarks from Kobe before the game started
gave him more of edge.
I didn't think it was trolling though
I mean I showed respect to Kobe and the Lakers. And I didn’t even call Kobe a douche! I said he can be a douche sometimes.
BUt then I guess I blew it. I wished htem good luck for the rest of the season. Now that is classless
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Lmao nothing serious there.
Lots of arrogance in LA
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
by jets4life24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
u can do that?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 11, 2012 6:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes but you have to leave that warm bubble of unrealistic expectations that is California
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
In & Out
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Guess you gotta decide for yourself
but I would say hell no to that sentence in general, and that they have some amazing food
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Burger Joint @ Le Parker Meridien in Midtown.
Burger bliss. You’re welcome.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
isn't a burger just a burger???
what???
is a pg just a pg?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Feb 11, 2012 11:04 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Did you somehow miss the burger trend in NY?
In & Out is like Shake Shack. Well, not quite as good, but close enough. And more ubiquitous.
by sisterray24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Shake Shack is the bomb!
And I have family in California and find it to be quite a lovely state outside of the LA area. Not too much of a Long Beach fan either, but South from there and elsewhere is nice!
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Shake Shack is waaay better
In & Out is perfectly fine. It blows the pants off of the big fast food chains. But I don’t think it’s as good as Five Guys, and Five Guys can’t touch Shake Shack (the original location, at least. The others I’ve been to have been much lower quality).
Sorry, y'all.
I broke out of town before th burger revolution. When I left, Jackson Hole was IT. There was nothing else.
NOOOO
If a burger tasted as good as Adriana Lima looks, it would be In & Out Burger
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That's not banworthy
Good-natured mocking.
Jeremy Lin didn’t drop a triple double
But I’m sure Kobe knows about the Yellow Mamba now
^That is from a Laker fan comment. Basically said the same thing.
Ahh great to see the knicks working hard to win
It’s tough to win without your two best players, but the emergence of Lin has brought energy to the team. He is in complete control of the game and makes everything flow perfectly. Big 4 in the Big Apple? Lin, Melo, Stat, and chandler? Guess we’ll have to wait and see
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
by jets4life24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I laugh everytime I see jared jeffries pull up for a jumper.
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
by jets4life24 on Feb 11, 2012 12:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I just calculated a LINear regression of Jeremy's point totals based on these past 4 games.
Tomorrow he’s scoring 37. Four games after that, he’ll hit 50.
Cool!
“Lin has scored 89 points in his first 3 starts. Per ESPN Stats, that’s the most by any player since the NBA-ABA merger”
Obviously, Jeremy Lin is the greatest player of all time.
TYBG
by The Rooster on Feb 11, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
only 3 rings?
whose going to beat this kid?
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He just takes that sharing mindset to the next level
Classy kid, I just hope he never Tebows
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
The Lin fairy tale is awesome.
I’m a denver fan, I usually post at the denver stiffs side and I have to say, the Knicks team I’ve been seeing lately is a far cry from the team that Denver beat last month. And that Lin guy. Its crazy, where the hell did he come from? what kind of voodoo did the new yorkers invoke to pull this one off? In any case, its just fun to watch- brings a smile to my face to offset the misery of the my nugget’s losing streak (yeah the wheels fell off that bandwagon, then went off a cliff and exploded in a massive fireball)
by Japheth:the.other.kind.of.asian. on Feb 11, 2012 12:53 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for the kind words
and take heart – you guys will turn it around. Especially once you get Wil back.
the voodoo
comes from all of us selling our souls to forget the last ten years, filled with overpaid, lazy, bad attitude-filled management and players. We deserve a nice story for a change.
Me and my squad build just like contractors
I break s***, you only give hairline fractures
by LatrellSprewell on Feb 11, 2012 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I cannot FUCKING believe I had to miss this game
I was at an inescapable professional meeting, sitting in the back row, getting a cramp in my thumb from zipping back and forth between the comments here and the ESPN game feed, and trying not to yell out loud.
Seriously, we’ll all remember this week for years to come.
Go Knickerbockers! Bring on Rubio.
by PolyphonicSpreewell on Feb 11, 2012 12:55 AM EST reply actions
Wait..
You can get the ESPN game feed on yr phone? Tell me more of these sweet little lies…
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
iman in post game interview
“i guess as a last ditch effort they’re like let’s make him score to beat us.annnnddd.yea he’s gonna do that” lmfaoooo i love his candidness
I am not sure if Lin is a good thing
It is going to make it hard to sign him after this year
I am hoping
a. we win it all this year
he cools off and then we sign him to the mid level and he goes off next year
He can't make more than the mid-level anyway.
And him playing well enough to command the full mid-level can ONLY be a good thing.
I am gladdened to hear this
Because I had a moment of panic that the guy is a free agent after the season and the Knicks can only offer him the mid-level.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
He's a RFA anyway
I don’t know too much about the Gilbert Arenas rule or whatever so I’ll leave that to baba, but even if someone did throw a fat contract at him, we could match without salary cap worries.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/knicks-in-a-position-to-keep-lin/
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Let's also pat ourselves on the back
If we would have drafted Gilbert Arenas in the 1st round, then we would have had his bird rights, and that rule would have never been made. Thank you, Scott Layden, for picking up Fred Weis instead!
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry, we can resign him, he'll be restricted
Lin will be what is called a non-qualifying veteran free agent. Which in essence will make him a restricted free agent. After Gilbert was “stolen” by the Wizards from the Warriors by the Wizards offering him a contract that Golden State was unable to match due to the cap, the NBA changed the rules to make teams “backload” any offer. If a team wants to sign Lin to an offer sheet, it has to start at the MLE for the first two years, and then it can have a huge raise built in. And because it will start at the MLE, we will be able to match it.
The thing is, when we have to use our MLE on Lin, that means we can’t keep Fields unless he takes less money. We won’t lose Lin, but we may lose Fields because of Lin (assuming nothing changes, of course). If someone throws money at Fields, we may not be able to match it.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Feb 11, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Thought he was unrestricted
and couldn’t get much of a raise over this years salary…or something. Stupid NBA rules with salary caps and max contracts, too lazy to figure them out
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It's a really weird rule
How often do players taken in the second round or are undrafted end up performing like this so early in their career?
I don’t know the rules 100% either, but I try to learn them. I’m honestly not 100% sure how the rules work with both Fields and Lin. I think we can only keep one if both are in line for a raise. But maybe because Fields is early Bird and Lin is non-Bird, we can keep both. It’s a question for an expert. But I know Lin is restricted, that’s the excellent part.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Feb 11, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
I try to normally
but haven’t bothered since the new cba. Just been wanting to watch what has happened in the past week – the Knicks being exciting and good!
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it seems that we have the Early Bird Rights of Lin and the Bird Rights of Fields
“Other teams can still try to snatch Fields and Lin away from the Knicks, though. Both Fields and Lin are technically restricted free agents. However, due to the so-called "Gilbert Arenas provision," other teams are limited in what they can offer Fields and Lin. They can only offer them up to the full mid-level. So the Knicks would be able to match any offers without touching their previous mid-level exception, which they hope to use to attract a notable free agent to come play for the team next year (the Knicks would also keep their Bi-Annual Exception available for a possible other free agent).”
- Brian Cronin “Knickerblogger.net”
by 9th Wonder Buckshot on Feb 11, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so, he's important to say the least
On the Fields note, I think it would be great if he gave his spot in the new version of the Rookie/Sophomore game to Lin. It would make him crazy popular and he probably could use the ASB to try to get his deep shot and FT form back, we’ll going to need him down the stretch if we want to make the noise we hoped to at the start of the year.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Feb 11, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
he needs to remember to put arc on the ball
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And shoot without hesitation when he's open.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
You're wrong about Fields
We have his ‘Early Bird’ rights, meaning we can offer him about 5 million multi-year, or give him a one year deal and have full bird rights after that.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
my question is..
with a Max cap and only a mini mid level in our pockets. how do we give Lin a deal and keep fields?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 11, 2012 1:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
We have early bird rights for both
so we can sign both and not have to use any of their exceptions (mid-level & bi-annual)
There is no next year!
If the kid keeps playing like this against all comp, the Knicks will be Champs, and next year won’t really matter.
iman in same post game interview reffering to lin
“i guarded him in practice…..but he aint go crazy on me though..i know he quick..i think he may have been taking it easy on me tryna learn the offense” lol another funny quote
This is so awesome
This is the most fun I’ve had watching the Knicks since that 13 wins in 14 stretch last year. Jeremy Lin is beyond words, and when Amar’e and Melo get back, commanding defenses to stay honest, our offense might seriously tear shit up. I’m so excited.
Also, 5-12 FT shooting combined between Landry and Tyson. 5-12!!!!! If we lost by a few points I would have freaked
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Between the FT shooting and all the things Seth listed
at the end of the recap, there were so many reasons for us to lose tonight. But there was one reason for us to win, and he was all we needed.
He's unreal
But like Seth also mentioned. Tyson Chandler and Jared Jeffries both made some critical defensive plays and got HUGE offensive rebounds. And then Bill Walker had a 3, and Shump had 6 or 7 incredibly big points in the 4th quarter.
Lin’s the reason we won, but the whole team secured the victory
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Fields’ new nickname is 50/50, he always seems to miss 1 of 2 freethrows
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 11, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
damn. he hasn't been good since the playoffs it seems
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 2:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
most definitely.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 11, 2012 6:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It really is.
His shooting mechanics are just awful right now. There’s no stroke, he just throws it up.
Looks a little like Shaq
Totally flat form.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
BEST POSTGAME: SHUMP ON LIN
“I guarded him in practice, he ain’t go crazy on me though, you know what I mean, I guess he just sort of was tryna ‘learn the offense’ you know what I’m sayin…but he done put on the gas ever since”
“I guess in their last line of defense they’re tryna say ‘you know well, let’s make him score and beat us’ and he gon’ score and beat you”
GOLD.
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
by east_harlem on Feb 11, 2012 1:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
DAntoni press conference is good too
Talks about elements of team and how Lin contributes to that. Also what a unique and special time this really is…for all of us.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:02 AM EST reply actions
he's the American Steve Nash
I just wished he said that : ). but yes. He also makes a gentle reference to the Melo issue and gives Jorts a little love.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
DAntoni can't contain his joy
I really love that.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Believe he had 10 points in the first Seth
then 8, 9 and 11 in the 4th Lin-th quarter – he owns the end of the game so far.
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I still remember the Mardy Collins game
Just kidding, I don’t.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reposting this, cause it is stayed true
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by astromets on Feb 11, 2012 2:08 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Does this mean he leaves us for Miami?
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
That kid isn't going anywhere, and if we do well this season, neither is D'Antoni.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
This kid is a star, I'm in awe right now. Perfect for our system.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
no stopping the DAntoni offense when everyone buys in...
what great basketball.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
Lin finally presents D’Antoni with the type of guard his system requires. TD, Shump, and Bibs couldn’t do what was required to make the offense work.
D’Antoni will never be a great coach, because he does not tailor his system to the skills of his players.
That is simply FALSE. As Robert Curre has noted a few times here, "system" coaches traded anyone away who did't fit their system. And acquired the ones who could.
Just so happens, the Knicks had one on hidden their bench.
And MDA is a great coach. Just ask his players, past and present.
Not false, actually.
D’Antoni does not have the ability to trade. He’s not the G.M. Also, how many guards like Lin and Nash are there in the world? Who’s going to make the deal and how? Further, the behavior of certain “system coaches” does not define EVERY system coach?
Finally, I like Rober Curre as much as the next guy, but you gotta’ get off of his dick.
Not really, Robert Curre is one of the most knowledgeable Knick fans we have here.
The fact, that you have not refuted, is that Auerbach, Holzman, Jackson, Pat Riley, JVG all had rigid systems and NEVER “adjusted” for their players. They acquired the right players and traded away the wrong ones. You are also ignoring the fact that D’Antoni has elevated EVERY pg he has ever coached. Nash, Duhon, Felton..all had their BEST years with D’Antoni. Billups wasn’t around long enough, but the Knicks pulled back to .500 towards the end of last season after the Knicks initially struggled after acquiring him. And here comes Lin and bam is putting ridiculous numbers. Yes alot of it is his own talent but its the system that brings out the best in him. Lin called MDA “an offensive genius” tonite. The opinions of his own players past and present mean more than yours.
Agreed with all of this
People have made a big stink about Phil Collins changing his system to fit his guys in Philly. That’s great and all, but it’s the exception, not the rule
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LOL@ Phil. I think you meant Doug.
I agree that Phil is a great enough musician to confuse him with others of similar last names.
HAHA! Whoops!
Yes Doug Collins! Ah man, I need more sleep.
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FALSE
Pat Riley is the ultimate adjuster. Accordingly, to me, he is the ultimate coach. You want to try to tell me that the system Riley won rings with in L.A. was the same as the system he instituted in New York? Naw, son… you need a history lesson.
Also, did you just try to justify being on another man's dick?
I tell you, I really don’t understand kids today, with their skinny jeans and whatnot.
well you can never trust Dolan
but hope seems to have come back in season.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dolan wants to win
sorry, Lin. He will do whats right and hand over the Knicks to this kid
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from your lips to Gods ears
But have you already forgotten the Isaiah years? The things Dolan truly cares about are locked in a little box stored in the depths of hell. we can only hope.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Then why get Melo and STAT, then Tyson
and spend all those years and trades trying to free up money for FA class of 2010. I don’t know, saw him giddy over the way the Rangers were playing this year, and I just truly believe he wants to win and have the best team. Lin is looking like the most important part of that best team
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I believe that Dolan only really cared about getting Melo
which was the major screw up of the three transactions you mentioned and except for the emergence of Lin, was about to wreck the Knicks. I believe he did for reasons other than winning which I can’t guess. He was completely out negotiated by Denver.
Dolan only cares about putting fannies in the seats since he has to pay to heat MSG wether it is full or empty. Best that it is full and making money vs. the alternative. Winning is a nice side effect.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
He does want to win, I don't think that can be doubted.
His loyalty to the incompetent Isiah while he was with the Knicks was his downfall, also not letting his GM’s do their job (Melo trade).
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
Melo trade
Melo > Gallo, though it’s close and per dollar Gallo may be a better value
Billups >> Felton => which becomes Tyson >>>> Mozgov and Lin >>> Felton
Only part of the trade that stinks imo, other than losing some personal favorites and splitting up a team so easy to root for, is trading Wilson instead of Fields.
I hate harping on that trade and disagree with the idea we got fleeced – you gotta give up something worthwhile to get a star. This is not what Dolan was hoping for, but I think this deal gives us a better outlook long term. Granted, it might not have worked without Lin stepping up or until some other PG came along, but I think we have more championship talent now than we would have had with that group, and I said the same thing last week and the week before – again, this was never Dolan’s intention though
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Regarding the Melo trade...
We gave up more than we really had to according to people in the know. Which is really the only thing that bothered me about it, I love Melo.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
The Melo trade was a high-risk endeavor
That is now seeing a high reward. This team is really leaps and bounds better, I think, than the pre-trade team last year.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Fuhry life is weird man but every dynasty needs a little bit of luck...
Jeremy Lin looks like a bonafide star – forget starter- and this has only happened to the Knicks because of a series of events that started with the Melo trade, making our PG situation less stable because of Billup’s age/playing style. So in the absolute final analysis, even the most virulent anti-melo Knick fan would have to agree that we won that trade simply because it created the conditions that led the Knicks to sign Jeremy Lin, though I believe we won that trade even without Lin. I believe this is what they call the Butterfly Effect Theory.
yup yup
same reason the bulls won drafting Tyrus Thomas at 2. “Who cares, we got Derrick Rose.”
“Who cares, we got Jeremy Lin.” :P
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Actually
We could still use him. He’d make a fantastic backup to Lin
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 11, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
yeah since Baron Davis is a no show.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
I waited for DAntoni to play Lin
so I guess I can wait a little longer for Mr. Davis.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
They Said
That the Nets, Jazz and Wizards weren’t “elite” teams. What does the make the Lakers?
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 11, 2012 2:17 AM EST reply actions
tired after an OT win in Boston
the road is going to be long. The fact he has not let us down yet is amazing. But only time will tell. I think he has what it takes.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
hater
what I said haters would be saying during the game thread
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I'm actually not
truth was the Lakers played poorly and Knicks played outstanding. But in a seven game series the team the Lakers put on the floor probably beats the team we put on the floor tonight. That being said, you bring back STAT and a Melo who wants to play within the system…and we crush the Fakers.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Lin just got better as the game went on, and some key shooters didn't shoot well for us either
who knows what happens in a 7 game series, if Lin even lets it go that far
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its the truth tho
is it why we won? no. but the question was answered truthfully. analysts around will point to last nights overtime game vs Boston on why they came out with no fire and flat. u are Boston lose to Toronto?
but again..I don’t put the loss in that..it does play a factor tho. We won b/c Lin dominated the Lakers point guards…and the Lakers couldn’t make a basket against our D, outside of kobe.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 11, 2012 6:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
But shouldn't the compensating factor to Laker fatigue be that the Knicks were playing with jeffries and walker instead of melo and amare? I mean come on...geez.
and its not like the Knicks werent fatigued either playing 3 games in five nights with an 8 man rotation, some of whom including Lin were not use to playing heavy, while 70 starters minutes per game was sitting on the bench.
no doubt I agree w/u
we are playing with a bench. sans a new improved point guard and chandler. the same bench that was deemed worst in the NBA by fans/analysts around the world.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 11, 2012 1:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
To be fair, for a stretch our bench was scoring like 3 points a game.
FIRE DANTONI
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Fire D'Antoni = Fire Coughlin.
You watch.
If melo had played instead of walker..the Knicks could have won by 30 last night. They could have just poured it on.
And now i understand why walker gets little love on P & T. He almost cost the Knicks game last night. Hes just not consistent bench player. Plain and simple.
apparently he was +15 on the night
HOW on the other hand is beyond me.
Walker played good defense, tipped out offensive rebounds, only took shots within the flow of the game. Also it helps that at all times, the Knicks were beating the Lakers (except when Bibby was on the court). I’m still bullish on Walker, his athleticism and knack for the ball is like Jeffries’ intelligence – it covers up a lot of fundamental issues with his game.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I like Walker too, but its easy to hate him. He does dumb things and kills momentum and rallies with his thoughtless passes.
hes a great 9th or 10th guy. thats it.
Agreed
He brings a lot of chaos to the floor, but some of it goes in the Knicks’ favor. I remember the game against Boston in the playoffs where he was 1-8 but kept coming up with steals, offensive rebounds, loose balls, whatever it took to get Melo another shot on the other end.
A great 9th or 10th guy is all I want him to be. Hopefully Lin, Novak, and maybe JR Smith push him into that role.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
J.R. Smith might be superfluous at this point, especially with Baron coming back and that locker room tight. He should go the Clippers and frankly if Im him id rather go to clipland myself. Your guaranteed starters minutes. What better way to build up..
your free agent value for next season. Especially on a winning team. Before Linsanity I wanted J.R. but hes Lin has changed the short and longterm outlook of the team. And really Toney is our 6th man. I believe he can find his shot again if hes on the floor with a real pg.
Meh
I’d rather have JR than Toney, especially if Toney’s playing hurt and timid. The team has already invested a lot of time in seeing of he can take it to the next level, and it’s pretty clear that at best he belongs on the bench, ahead of Jeffries and Bully. I’d love if we could make Landry our 6th man, as he can play 2 positions well, instead of 2 positions poorly.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
only took shots within the flow of the game
except for two shots I can remember [which, honestly, isn’t too terribly much]
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
I don't think he's a hater
just a humbled Knicks fan
by total hermination on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
the race to greatness is a marathon
not a sprint.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
except Spencer grooved fastballs for a month, then pitchers tried breaking balls
Lin defeats teams that are trying to stop him and have the bigs he was supposedly going to struggle with. Honestly, the whole time Lin was out there it seemed like the Lakers were focusing on stopping him, and it seemed like he just kept getting better and better. In spite of how much they abused him in the first, he still had the Knicks up 33-19 at one point. Every time he came in, the Knicks would take charge of the game again.
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oh brett
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by astromets on Feb 11, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When Shane Spencer hit those homers also..and thats literally all he did, it homers....that was the Yankees record breaking season of 114 wins in 1998. They clinched the AL East in fucking June
As opposed to what Lin is doing, rescuing a flagship franchise from what could have been one of the biggest shipwrecks in sports into a legit championship contender.
I remember
was happy when he came crashing down to earth, not so much when he became part of the Mets OF.
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The mets always seem to get these guys after their value has unexpectedly shot up.
too bad thats not a winning strategy
That's no longer the case now with Alderson
but yeah, Omar was a fool. Buy high, sell low. Good idea.
Yo, I remember i was so so so jacked up after the 2002 offseason. Mo Vaugh, robert alomar, Jereremy Burnitz etc.
a month into the season…….what the fuck??
old, terrible on the road, playing their 5th road game in 8 days or whatever excuse the haters want to use to hate
Also the Timberwolves will be off a back to back tomorrow, Toronto will have spent the night before we play them partying because of some Canadian holiday we don’t know about, Sacramento will be all Cousins’ fault, the Hornets will just be awful, and Dallas will either be missing Kidd or Kidd will be too old or the NBA will be giving Lin all the breaks on a big ABC game, you get the idea.
They’ll hate until they can’t hate any longer, then they will act like they believed all along. Standard drill.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Feb 11, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Optimistic with the heart
Pessimistic with the intellect.
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
When you're pessimistic without good cause
It’s time to get some good drugs.
aka good weed
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Because his comment needed clarity
by I know smart people on Feb 11, 2012 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
drugs is such an open term
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
sounds like
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 – 6 more wins in a row!!!
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
and that is just the start
bring on Miami!
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Dude let's see how Melo, Stat and B Diddy acclimate into the offense now...
Before we start asking for Miami.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Bring on Miami without those guys!!
thought the overexcited sarcasm was obvious enough, hope it is now ;)
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Got it
But, with Stat and Melo back in the full swing of things, Miami is beatable. Even if not, it’ll be great practice…. gotta go through them sometime.
We didn't even do so bad last time vs them
without Melo and with some poor shooting
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
lol god damn
it’s to the point where you can point to games on your schedule and be like “We didn’t have Lin in that game”
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
this was fuckin awesome
just finished watching the game. wow, just wow.
i forgot what it was like to have a legit guard on this team. hopefully Lin can keep this up.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 2:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
If I had ESPN
I would watch this again
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
I'm watching
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 2:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hope ESPN remakes that Skip Bayless Rap song
“He’s gamer, He’s a baller, UNLEASH!!!! In Jeremy Lin’s honor.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Feb 11, 2012 2:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Problem is he's already unleashed and tearing up opposing teams!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
If he's not in the rookie/soph game
At least get him in the skills competition. Get it done NBA!
by RobbyMac on Feb 11, 2012 2:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Big fan
Can’t wait for the second season. And I have to use all of my willpower to stop myself from reading the books.
Also, Geoffrey is a little bitch.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Wanna check out an awesome blog? http://cospeniazmi.blogspot.com
Big fan as well
Moose and me are in the same boat. Can’t wait for season 2. Takes all my willpower to not read ahead as well. Joffrey is a huge bitch.
Love the pic.
by Wilson Chandlerstick Maker on Feb 11, 2012 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
Season 2 is going to be amazing.
I also am avoiding reading them… for now. I might read the first book after season 2.
good one
I just can’t wait for winds of winter to come out.
Me and my squad build just like contractors
I break s***, you only give hairline fractures
by LatrellSprewell on Feb 11, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
My goodness
I…it’s…I don’t know. Either we’re going to be let down a lot in the coming month, or Lin is perfectly suited for this system and is a legit NBA starter, if not star. I cannot wait for Melo and Stat to get back, this team will be on another level offensively. If they can get a top 10 offense, which is starting to look more than likely, to go along with the top 10 defense they have, then we’ll be good. Like, really good.
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
Wanna check out an awesome blog? http://cospeniazmi.blogspot.com
Dude I'm gushing like a D'A postgame interview after a win.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 11, 2012 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Remember that 10-15 points MDA was looking for
I think he found it and then some, because Lin can score but also make this team go
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
Words cannot describe what is happening.
So excuse me while I just sit back enjoy the ride!! <333
Shump Shump Yall !!
KNICKS!
http://twitter.com/#!/Vic_Williams007
We are truly blessed
As P&Ters who have been watching and arguing about this team and Lin since December and before, it is even more amazing. This has never happened before in the history of NBA basketball. Only one other player has ever started this well, LBJ. and we in our little P&T bubble watching it all go down, with all the history and grief that we as Knick fans have suffered through, to then have this guy burst into our world and now absolutely dominate not only basketball, but all sports stories . This transcends sports.
Who could have expected this? NO one.
Do we deserve it? Well we have certainly suffered enough. If Jeremy never has another good game (highly unlikely), this has still been the best week in all my many years of Knick fanhood. I have never seen one player so completely transform the culture of a team and its surrounding fanbase(us)l
I found myself screaming and laughing and crying during tonites game.
What we are witnessing has Never EVER happened before and the way we are experiencing it first hand. from our perch here on P&T makes it especially sweet for us. And judging by all the positive posts coming in from fans and well wishers outside of our little circle makes it looks like the Knicks are becoming a world wide phenomenon.
While I do not personally believe in god, there is little doubt in my mind that we are truly blessed. and karma is operating at some level here.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Well Said
I’m an atheist myself but Jeremy is religious, and this Linsanity is bordering on divine intervention!
by SparkLikeStarks on Feb 11, 2012 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hey guys!
Remember when just about a week or so ago we had the same record as the Nyets?
Seems like a lifetime ago doesn’t it?
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Hahaha
New York Knicks = Sleeping Giants
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by moose35 on Feb 11, 2012 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Parents just don't understand
especially stern asian fathers.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 11, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I heard something like this growing up every time I got like a 94% on a test
by Joamiq on Feb 11, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
(I'm not going to post any more of these because I don't want to further a stereotype)
I just posted this one because that particular line is literally verbatim what I was often asked by my parents in like elementary school. Apologies if it brings up any bad memories for my Asian bros!
oh, man, those are all hilarious though
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
i love his interviews at the end
“Jeremy, how does it feel to have scored a bajillion points in yet another great game?”
“IT’S NOT ABOUT ME MAN, BOY THAT JARED JEFFRIES SURE CAN PLAY BALL!”
by IllPHIl on Feb 11, 2012 6:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Last nights game got me in trouble with my fiancee...
Watching it in bed, i kept waking her up cheering and bouncing round with excitement.
Lin has completely reinvigorated this team. Landrys tweet last night summed it up when he said its the most fun he’s ever had playing basketball right now.
I have no worries about Melo and Stat integrating into this offense. Melo was happy playing in it before the groin went, and his reactions on the bench last night shows he’s happy with Lin running the show, and Stat also tweeted that Lin and the Knicks are providing a couple of hours of happiness amongst all the sadness.
Jeffries, Shumpert and Fields all played excellently last night, sure Shump and Landry struggled scoring (until Shump came good in the 4th) but played great D on Kobe (although some of his plays were unstoppable), and Jeffries was a hero, just hope his injury isnt too bad.
And as for Tyson, what an effort on the defensive end. And whenever we needed and offensive rebound, him (or Jared) came up trumps.
So excited to see Lin Vs Rubio tonight. Lets keep the run going
Dude, I cancelled a date last night and I am in MAJOR hot water . . .
But do you know what? I would do it again in a heartbeat! :-)
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 11, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Seth
I wasn’t actually in the game thread last night – must have been another “Ef-y” guy who supplied the headline.
I was picking my stepson up from his high school JV game. On the drive back, I gave him my phone so he could keep refreshing the game feed, announcing the plays as it was happening. We were going crazy, making Lin-puns, totally bonding on the Knicks. Such is the power of Lin!
Get The Frickin' Rebound
by fuhry on Feb 11, 2012 7:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
So what?
Only four years older than Cruz. He was still undrafted, and the quarterback position is more important, he did win Super Bowl MVP after all.
by MetsFanXXIII on Feb 11, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I gotta say
Seth was right, he kid has a jumpshot.
I honestly don’t even know what to say. I can’t believe this is REAL. In today’s age with all the technology available, this stuff just doesn’t happen anymore. When someone’s going to be good, we KNOW he’s going to be good.
It seems like it couldn’t have happened to a better person too. He just doesn’t talk about himself, always giving props to Chandler and Jeffries. The look on the reporter’s face right before halftime was priceless when he said he was going to go look at film. “Right now?” “Yes”
He just seems like a great guy, very humble, and clearly embarrassed of all the attention he’s getting. That’s exactly how I want my leader to be.
Another thing... how's Melo going to fit in
I want to see how this all plays out once Melo comes back. It seems like the guys who are on the corut playing together right now (Fields, Chandler, Jeffries, Shump, Novak) have all developed a bond and some very real chemistry. They talk to each other a LOT. This won’t be a problem with Stoudemire because this is the system he plays.
As for Melo, it’ll be veeery interesting to see how this goes. Someone posted here a while back hat he was successful in the Olympics team, which is true. He might have been the best player there in a system somewhat similar to this one.
I think he can do this, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little nervous about this.
Get excited, dude.
First off, the Knicks are playing great team ball. Lin is scoring big numbers because he is simply taking good shots. And he is dishing to open teammates. They guys ARE bonding on the court too. But the thing is, the Knicks are actually set up to add STAT and Melo in a great way. They won’t get them both back at the same time. Amar’e comes back first and gets a week or so to find his groove with them. Remember how great Amar’e looked when he first suited up for NY? It’s gonna be like that. Lin is still gonna command the offense but you’ll now have a much better finisher in AMar’e to rack up more dimes and such. Chandler will likely do what he does on the PnR and crash the boards like Jefferies does. Then the All-Star break hits and I wouldn’t expect Melo back before then. Melo is watching these games from the bench and he knows damn well how things are going. He is gonna take Bill Walker’s place. He won’t have to dominate the ball and I don;t think he will try to. He sees Lin can find the open guy and Melo will simply get open and then create. The shots Bully is missing will go in.
But more importantly… Lin isn’t gonna play 48mins (at least not yet anyways). Look how the game turned when both Lin and Chandler were on the bench in the 3rd and into the 4th. The Lakers came back cus no one on the floor could score buckets. THAT’s where STAT and Melo come in. The Knicks will always have at least one big scorer on the floor. A go-to guy.
I’m tellin’ you. Get excited cus THIS is what we had in mind when we envisioned Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony on the same team. Pringles said it himself that the team “got out of wack” when they lost Chauncey. Melo isn’t stupid. He has an ego like everyone else, but he wants to win and when he sees his teammates play like this and he realizes he doesn’t have to force his game… he’ll adjust.
New York is about to go off. And it isn’t even about Jeremy Lin. He’ll cool off a little. But it won’t matter. We are gonna win games in bunches.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
He's gonna fit in great too!
These guys are quickly finding out that they don’t have to force the game. You just have to hustle and be ready to get the ball. Lin is proving that when Baron Davis comes back, Davis won’t have to play 35mins a game and overwork a fragile body. In fact, if this continues, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lin get the bulk of the minutes simply to keep Baron Davis fresh. And as long as the Knicks win games… the guys will buy into it with ease.
There’s a lot of highlights coming.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Boy was I wrong about a PG not fixing all their issues
this dude has been balling. I don’t think it’s a fluke because he looks to set up his teammates too. He has energized the team, and the defense has been outstanding. Now if Melo can come back and work within the offense, they can make a serious run. I think Stat will benefit tremendously from this kid. My only worry is that if Lin is the real deal, will we have the cap space to resign him? Net fans are already talking about outbidding us for him. Just nitpicking, we need more consistent production from Landry.
we can use all of our midlevel exception on him
and then I believe he’ll have Bird Rights after next season which would allow us to sign him to bigger money. It’s all up to him really.
Regardless though, I doubt the Knicks would let this kid leave. If people thought what happened in Cleveland after LeBron left was bad, just imagine NY.
If Lin continues with this sort of production
or at least provides 15-18 ppg and 7+ assists, Melo, Stat and Chandler should restructure their contracts so that we are able to fit Lin (and Landry if he continues to be solid)
Tyson Chandler: Kung-Fu Knickerbocker
Hopefully he is grateful to the Knicks for giving him a chance
and he takes the exception, and another team does’nt blow him away with an offer.
let's offer him the super-max-level exception anyways!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
let's just have allan houston write him a personal check
“i found this, but it obviously belongs to you”
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
"hey Jeremy, why don't you grab your brother's couch and stay at my place"
Actually, that sounds far creepier than I ever meant it to be!!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
If Allan Houston shacks up with Jeremy Lin on his brother's couch?
There will be a lot of very nervous Miami Heat fans.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You got a problem?
for the millionth time I did’nt know thank you. People on this site need to chill with the sarcastic attitudes.
Respectfully disagree on the best Lin shot of the night
That shot he hit over Gasol was AWESOME! The way he sized him up, the anticipation of the crowd. And it was ballsy as all hell. I could’ve sworn it was Iverson out there on that play.
jill martin tweeted "jord-lin"
after that happened. saw the look on lin’s face from another angle. reading the d. reading the d. sizing up a nervous pau gasol and fires. he dared lin to take the shit and lin made him pay.
this is fucking awesome.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
If Lin was in the Melo trade and Melo wasn't
then yes.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Fair enough
But when evaluating GM’s, there’s this: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Epistemology. Greek compound comprised of epistimi "science" and logia, "study of,"
Of course science in ancient Greek world meant all knowledge.
Ahem...
Maybe this is more what I meant to link to: http://www.philosophybro.com/2011/04/mailbag-monday-what-do-we-know.html
What I’m saying is that there’s no way when Walsh made that trade (no matter who else was involved) that he knew he’d pick up a PG off of waivers that would be producing at an all-star level, so it’s dumb luck, not an effect of the trade.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
No no...you misunderstand. Butterfly Effect is a name given to the extreme sensitivity of chaotic systems, in which small changes or perturbations lead to drastically different outcome
It is random by its very nature. So yeah your absolutely right that Donnie had no idea. Thats the point. The Knicks won the Melo trade not by design but by the drastically and unforseen outcome it would produce. Intent matters not other than to assign accolades.
It would have been a moot point, since the Knicks would still have Raymond Felton otherwise. And it’s still possible that Lin would have been claimed off waivers. If you’re going to employ the butterfly effect in evaluating trades, you’re missing the point.
Do you think that the Hawks did better than the Pistons in the Rasheed Wallace for Chucky Atkins trade, simply because it was one step towards them being better today?
If you need a metaphor, then think of a player missing a lay-up, then another guy getting the offensive board and kicking it out to the wing for a three. Just because eventually the team gets three points, did that lay-up go in? No. The lay-up created the conditions, I think we all agree, but the lay-up was still a miss.
I prefer to evaluate trades on the values of players involved in the trade at the time of the trade, and it’s pretty much a consensus that the players the Knicks gave up had a higher value at the time than the players that they got back, and that the trade would have been much more even (or even in the Knicks’ favor) if Dolan would not have gotten involved in the evaluation process.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Um, your historical account of the trade is not accurate. Either 4 for Melo, or we send him to NJ. That was Denver's position. And Melo WAS willing to go to the Nets.
Secondly, forget i mentioned B. Effect. It was just a silly out-loud thought. At the end of the day. The knicks have a hot young pg that id take over alot of guys that are gonna be playing at the all-star game.
Not according to Nugg’s front office – they said he was only willing to go o the Knicks, but was willing to help them out.
Agreed on the 2nd point, although as a Knick fan I reserve the right to change my mind later and claim I knew all along!
Go Knicks!
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
The list was Knicks, Nets and Bulls. That is all.
The Nuggets thus had leverage. If they didn’t then the Knicks would have told them to take whatever garbage we want to give you or you can shove it. That obviously didnt happen…..for a reason.
Yes, that reason is so the Knicks could pick up Lin off waivers – I get it!
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
Without the trade, the Knicks would likely still have Felton as the starter. The steps the roster took that necessitated Lin’s being here were:
Felton traded-Chauncey amnestied-Shumpert injured
If any of those things did not happen, I don’t think there would’ve been a spot for Lin. It’s all blind luck, but without the trade first, I don’t see the dominos falling in favor of Lin being here.
We still needed a back-up PG regardless
Jeremy Lin has fuck-all to do with Carmelo Anthony
But it wouldn't have been Lin
He was behind TD, Bibby and Shumpert at the beginning of the year. If we still had Felton, there’s no way he’s brought in. We know now that those three are not the answer, but they were ahead of Lin at the beginning of the year as far as PG options go.
(And yes, Melo has nothing to do with our good fortune, just the trade he was involved in)
Back-up PG was a glaring need before the trade
there is really no knowing who we would or wouldn’t have signed off waivers. The idea of saying “thanks Carmelo Anthony trade, for resulting in Jeremy Lin!!” is fucking stupid, sorry.
undoubtedy stupid.
really makes no sense to associate the two. They have about as much to do with each other as Shump being the #17th overall pick or Jared Jeffries teeth.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It makes perfect sense
The trade sapped the team of it’s depth so they had to pick guys off the scrap heap, like Jeremy Lin. And the lack of depth was so apparent, Lin wasn’t even their first choice, Bibby was.
Lin was no one's choice
not even the Knicks. Mike Bibby sucks and has for a few years now. Just the fact they signed him had nothing to do with whether or not Lin would ever be here. Bibby was on his way out before he even got here, he’s terrible.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
He is terrible
but he was still slotted to help at the PG position and still takes up a roster spot. A spot that might not have been open to Lin if the Knicks had more quality depth.
by Chuck Burly on Feb 11, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
we didn't have quality depth before the trade, after the trade
still don’t have quality depth and may never have quality depth. There was always room for a backup PG on the Knicks.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
This has gotten wildly off-topic
We WERE talking about whether or not it is logical to include Lin’s acquisition in evaluation of the Melo trade.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
when they start to stray this far off topic
its when they realize they’re full of it.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!
This is the internet, since when are we so introspective to admit being full of crap?
by Chuck Burly on Feb 11, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Oh...well it's not
unless Walsh/Dolan has psychic powers.
I guess I figured I’d ponder the possibility of some alternate universe Melo-less roster and whether Lin would be on it.
by Chuck Burly on Feb 11, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ah I see
In that case, yes, Jeremy Lin and Mike D’Antoni are soul mates, it would have happened no matter what.
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yes it was
And the first choice was Mike Bibby, not Jeremy Lin. Also, I don’t see why you’re reading my depiction of events as some sort of attempt at justifying the Melo trade. The fact is, a lot of times team’s do stupid things that end up working out by sheer luck. (i.e., the Pau Gasol trade, where Marc came out of nowhere to be a stud). I think this is one such case.
Marc Gasol was one of if not the main pierce of the Pau trade
If we’re talking about Corey Brewer or possibly even Derrick Brown, OK.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Don't u think ur exaggerating? What publication or media outlet didn't label the lakers-grizzlies trade in '07 highway robbery at the time in Lakers favor?
Marc Gasol was just a European Player/2nd round pick when the trade was made. And ur the first one to downplay the prospects of Europeans / 2nd round picks.
Point is that Gasol developing into a bonafide starting center was an unforseen outcome of the trade. That was the point in comparing it to the Melo trade situation.
pretty certain I'm not the one exaggerating
I believer you’re the one saying that the Melo trade directly resulted in us getting Jeremy Lin. As if there’s not a million ways that Lin could’ve ended up here regardless.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Sure you can believe he could have ended up here anyway.
But Rorsh, with Felton running the Pnr with Amare and Toney backing him up, just like last year..UNlikely
And I didnt say the word “directly.” I said Butterfly Effect. Just because something is unrelated doesn’t mean its not connected.
Felton never really ran the PnR here, sort of getting tired of hearing that he did
and TD is TD, if he plays like he did last year we never hear of Lin either, so there’s that too.
Lin could’ve happened either way. And that is all.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
not exactly, but you can think that if you want.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
It's funny how you can wish the Melo trade never happened
after 1 1/2 seasons, but if you call for D’antoni’s job after 4 years of him being here you get chastised and told he needs more time. Go figure.
yes, cuz that has anything to do with anything.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Has alot to do with it
this little experiment needs more time. Whats done is done already.
if it was an experiment it would be easy
but we’re not trying this out. It happened. And the fuck job the trade created as a direct result is why the team is/was less talented and why Pringles needs more time.
So maybe its funny that you didn’t realize that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
less talented?
that other team you speak of, while fun to watch, gave up 105 pts a game, did not rebound or defend, and may not have made the playoffs last year with the emergence of Philly and indiana. Why are we still talking about the Melo trade? Whats done is done. You’re like the mother whose son died ten years ago still sitting at the window waiting for him to come home. Gallo and wilson are GONE>
I’m not in either camp.
I still like that the trade happened, although I hate that Dolan got involved and I hate that Melo worked with the Nuggets to help them get more from us. But still, Melo is a guy who can score in clutch situations and we’re closer to a championship with him than without him.
As for D’Antoni, every coach has flaws, but D’Antoni’s is that he needs a heads-up PG to run the offense and outside shooters to space the floor. In the current NBA, that shouldn’t be a big deal, but for the Knicks this season it was. I know Zeke set the coaching bar pretty low, but D’Antoni won more games even after Walsh traded away Z-Bo and Crawford. That’s something, isn’t it?
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
as long as he's not playing on the court for the Knicks
sure, why not.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 11, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
No, just never
If you try to argue that it was good, people on the other side will respond. So let’s just not do it. 80% of the agita on this site comes from debating that trade.
Is Melo Voldemort?
Cuz he smiles way too much for that, I think.
by Chuck Burly on Feb 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
So the real question here....
Is who plays Lin in the forthcoming Disney movie?
The forthcoming Disney movie will be documentary style
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
It should be Yao Ming
And it’s gonna be directed by Steven Soderbergh
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Lin himself of course
didn’t see the acting chop from this video?
by secret defense on Feb 11, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
The most telling thing about this game is how Lin handles the post game.
All the questions are about him and he is brilliant in bringing his teammates into the conversation. He isn’t rude or snippy either. He just understands all of this and is rolling with it. Lin is being honest and making sure his teammates get credit they deserve. Reporters love the flash of a scoring guy and underdog, but Lin is too smart to buy into that. He goes out of his way to talk about Landry Fields, Jared Jefferies and Tyson Chandler.
He did it at halftime too. Dude had 18pts and first thing he said in response was (paraphrasing) “I gotta do a better job getting Tyson the ball down low. I’m gonna watch the game film to see what I can do.”
And THAT is the shared traits of Lin and Tebow. I’m not trying to start a comparison of dumb shit between them or anything. But both of those guys do everything they can to stay humble and talk about their teammates as much as they can. So regardless of whether you think Tebow sucks or whatever… gotta respect it when guys defer credit from themselves onto their teammates.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions
thats exactly right
When you stat humble like that good things can come faster your way. His teammates adore lin right now
by jhMLB on Feb 11, 2012 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What I really like about Lin
isn’t so much his ability. It’s his ability to bring out swagger in the rest of the team, particularly the 2 guards. I remember early in the season we were settling for jump shots, now everyone wants to attack the rim.
Not only attack the rim, which is what Shump wasn't doing enuff of, but its the ball movement that has been so infectious even without Lin.
The ball movement on the Clippers when CP3 was on the bench was spectacular……its all so infectious.
Anyone else think Jeremy Lin should stay on hios brother's couch?
I’m kinda superstitious now :-)
Or at least move the couch to wherever Lin shacks up?
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 11, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions
The thing that I most love about this kid is that he
ATTACKS the RIM!!!!!!!!!! and the other players are following suit. No more perimeter offense. ATTACK. I love it. Would love to see Lin and Bdiddy on the floor at the same time.
the lakers played aggressive D and Lin responded with aggressive offense
Love how he doesnt really force his shots, he just takes what the defense gives him and lites some ass up
Let's Make sure we play like the f***in NEW YORK JETS
and not some f***in slapd**k team!
Well, I just re-watched the game
…and I mean re-watched. So many rewinds, slo-mos and generally giggling like a kid on the sofa. Normally I’d skip thru a few bits like free throws and half time chat but I watched every last second.
Considering we had 4 players out of uniform that was pretty special although, if we’re being picky, it should have been put away a lot earlier. Some free throw practice required.
I might stop grinning soon…
Free throws, plus those 3 consecutive terrible TOs late in the 4th
We were trying to give that game away.
I WISH I could replay this game. Been sick the last few days and suddenly don't have work this Saturday, so I have a LOT of catching up to do and ample Lin-rewatching time to do it in.
Too bad Taiwanese TVs get more Knicks on them than mine does now.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Why did I NEVER think of that? Good call.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Just finished downloading and this is glorious. I think I need to buy a new hard drive for these.
Thanks again.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
PER, baby
Jeremy Lin is #2 in the NBA in PER, just after LeBron. Wow?
by DonMoosavi on Feb 11, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Great job by Seth bringing up taking Chandler’s free throws off the board. The rest of the media screwed up by forgetting about it. The refs goofed here. The Lakers committed a foul, Chandler hit the foul shots and then the Lakers took out the ball. That’s what the refs missed here. You cannot take Chandler’s foul shots away, because now there was no penalty for the Lakers foul. They committed a foul, yet they got the ball. If the Knicks had lost by one or two points, this mistake would have been huge, but instead it’s not even noticed. I guess Lin-sanity covers the ref’s asses too!
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by rxmeister on Feb 11, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You must be thinking of someone else
Jeremy Lin was cut in order to sign Ish Smith
by superturboultra on Feb 11, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
The True Story of the Game: DE-FENSE
The Knicks defense was stifling last night. There was a stretch for about 5 minutes(KOBE was on the bench) where the Lakers could not score. I remember Bill Walker missing a shot and then automatically double teaming the ball. Honestly, last night was the best defensive performance by the Knicks I’ve seen since the ‘94 team. I don’t know how good Lin is going to be moving forward, but with him in the lineup, the Knicks are playing great TEAM basketball, offensively and defensively.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 11, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
That is freakin' awesome!
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I had to share this.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
by GAx on Feb 11, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I'm telling you, Jeremy Lin is every Asian dude ever
Right down to the xanga site!
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
Hubie Brown asked J-Lin to be his Valentine
watching the highlights Hubie is in love with Jeremy
anybody got a link to kobe's post-game press conference?
would also be interested in mike browns and any other laker folks.
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whatever the fuck you think you're talking about
don’t direct it at me. i absolutely can not stand you.
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Who Says?
Now who says that Asians cannot drive?
J.Lin drives right to the hoop.
I love it, however, we still need to get rid of the coaching staff.
Let’s Go Knicks!
Sorry, but you basically asked for this
by Joamiq on Feb 11, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I will take your bait Bababooey . . .
The current four game winning streak has ZERO to do with Mike Dantoni, in fact, in the post game interview, Dantoni says:
“When you are that good, you don’t have to do a whole lot, you just stay out of the way.”
If the Knicks head coach was Coach Bababooey, we would still be on a 4 game winning streak.
The fact that it took a “once in a lifetime thing,” as Dantoni stated, to save his job says a great deal.
I offer you this, Dantoni wanted to be fired so he could collect his fat paycheck and be done with the Knicks mess.
In order to insure his dismissal, he had to make sure it looked like he tried everything and just couldn’t make it work.
So he threw Jeremy “Last Straw” Lin in the game and started looking into beach front property in the Bahamas.
What happens instead? A “once in a lifetime thing” occurs and throws a wrench in Dantoni’s early retirement plans.
Oh the sweet irony of it all!
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 11, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
When Knicks win games, it has ZERO to do with their coach.
Got it, chickens?
by Joamiq on Feb 11, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the players definitely don't give him credit.
and even if they do, using it as the reference for your point of view is out of line. because ‘theknicksareback’ did that, but implied there was no hyperbole.
therefore to follow a point with a counterpoint, one must use a sentence with no hyperbole as if it were loaded. such as “coach d’antoni is an offensive genius”.
but i won’t do that, because that would be rude, because its the same as saying something like: yo shut up, you don’t know what you’re talking about. nahmean?
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well... i'm sorta double speaking up there
but mostly i’m saying that this fella, ‘theknicksareback’ is warping something d’antoni said about lin’s performance in order to make a case for having the coach axed.
but he likewise neglected the lin comment because it doesn’t support his opinion piece.
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Actually
it’s pretty amazing that anyone takes anything that a sports figure says as a basis for analysis. 99% of things athletes and coaches say to the press are hyperbolic PR and cliches.
But most of what we say as fans is uninformed and biased as well no?
P.S. what ever happened to “moments of candor?”
Your answering your own question. He finally tried the right point guard to execute his offense. He just didn't know he had him up until the Nets game.
You think if Jeff Van Gundy came out of retirement to coach the Wizards he’d get them playing defense like the 99 Knicks? Rashard really? Blatche? You joking? Nick Young? C’mon. How blindingly anti-MDA can you possibly be. Every system requires certain players. If the players don’t fit, they either get benched or shipped out. MDA wasn’t the one that told the GM, “please, trade away every single PG on the roster and leave the hybrid ones.” As you can SEE with your own EYEBALLS all it took was something remotely resembling a pg with court vision to get a team without its 2 best players to win 5 straight games three of which against tough teams. So keep hatin. And when he finally wins that championship all you people will choke miserably on your words.
I suppose Jeremy Lin is lying. Thank god we have TheKnicksAreBack to tell us the truth, that Mike D'Antoni has nothing to do with the Knicks recent success.
“Coach D’Antoni is an offensive genius,” said Lin. “He puts new plays in every single game. Every game at the walk through, he will do something different. He makes us look good.”
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/chris_mannix/02/11/jeremy.lin/index.html#ixzz1mAJdxBA4
i hate how some parts of the media are comparing Lin to Tebow. DEAD WRONG
Lin basically carried his undersized HS to to state championships in CALIFORNIA, with a population of 38 mill. Now thats hard to do. Not to mention he CAN PASS and TEBOW CANT. Tebow is just some overrated QB who is getting credit for his own teams defense. yeah im sick of hearing tebow this tebow that during the NFL season i dont want to hear it again.
We need this guy to start a Jeremey Lin Chant
This is the love and support J. Lin deserves
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 11, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions
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