Will Melo's Return Make the Knicks Worse?
by 19sticks on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 PM EST
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PrintSince Jeremy Lin began starting, we've been seeing a wider distribution in scoring from the Knicks than before. The bench has been more productive, and the team has been winning. All of this has been happening without Carmelo Anthony.
When Carmelo returns from injury, will we be seeing “Melo's offense” again? Or, will Melo take on the Tim Thomas role that we saw in Phoenix and be another contributor to a Lin-led offense (You've probably been hearing about the comparisons between Lin and Steve Nash)? Or, will Melo's return require a few adjustments from him and Lin to utilize their abilities to the fullest, resulting in a well-oiled machine of a team? Another possibility when Melo comes back is that all things could go fine. Also, despite a very impressive 4 starts from Lin, there's the possibility that his magical run won't last, and Melo would lead the offense again. I'm sure there are more possibilities. It's hard to tell what will happen with the Knicks right now. After all, it's a time of Linsanity (I had to throw that in there)!
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If Lin suddenly looses his juice right after Melo arrives.......
It will not be a coincidence….
If Melo wants wins over personal glory then he will adjust(for a while anyway untill he tires of Lin taking the spotlight) interesting as it may expose Melo’s true reason for coming to NY….to win as he says or to be “the man” in the “big market”. Rec’d for posting what many are wondering about!
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 11, 2012 1:28 PM EST reply actions
Melo played team ball last year
and shot better than he has in his career. There just hadn’t been any other option to this point but to put the ball into Melo’s hands and hope for the best.
This team’s rotation is about to swap out Bill Walker for Carmelo Anthony and folks are wringing their hands.
by Dutchmarau on Feb 11, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
This squared
J Lin- the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching, the whole world is watching
Giants won another Superbowl. Ho hum, another day at the office.
fourth reciprocal'd
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
this seems like rational common sense to me
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
It will only get better.
Lin/Tyson PnR will become THE staple of the offense. And you can’t leave Stat or Melo to come over and help out. Lin is going to rachet shit up to an even higher level.
Then you stagger Tyson and Amare’s rest so that at least one of them is always out there, and u just crush fools. Baron subs in for Lin. Melo can catch and shoot or take over at the end of clocks. Novak subs in for Amare and snipes from the corner.
This is about to get seriously good.
by Crackback on Feb 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
exactly
melo catching the ball on a kickout is about to put the whole league on notice.
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it'll be like Bill Walker, if Bill Walker were Carmelo Anthony!!!
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
And u couldn’t have timed his emergence better. He came into a situation where all he had to worry about was PnRing with Tyson. No Stat. No Melo. He didn’t have to try to figure out how to get them involved. Now that he’s established, and winning, they have to augment their games to HIM.
I can’t help but wonder if things would have played this way if he had both of those mouths to feed. They probably wouldve been less likely to aquiesce to him if they were there when he was given a shot. And he probably wouldn’t have had the confidence or the opportunity to assert himself. But now, its all about Lin and the big dogs are under tremendous pressure to not eff this up.
by Crackback on Feb 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
couldnt melo play something like the Marion role in the offense?
i feel like all those times the ball got kicked out to walker, in the future it will be melo. And thats a nice trade off.
Mike D is going to be able to expand his offense. WIth both Ty and STAT being P&R partners, he can do multiple screen and rolls during a play. Having a pg that is both able and willing to let the play develop is key, and it seems as though we have that. Some of those lucky bounces and high shooting % will not drop and drop (respectively), but the understanding of passing lanes and the playbook will only grow. and when a team does defend it right, all of a sudden.. there is melo with the ball and probably open at the wind ready to attack.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
to this, i say...
given lin, fields, anthony, stat, chandler are in the game….
after a made basket, chandler inbounds to lin, fields, anthony and soutdemire break. lin catches up, dribble handle off with melo or fields, goes right back to lin leads directly into a screen and roll with stat.
if that doesn’t generate a shot, kickout to fields or melo.
if that doesn’t generate a shot, swing to melo, chandler now in the offense initiates a screen and roll….
rinse and fucking repeat. pick and roll on the weak side, space it out, shoot the open shot. fuck hoes up. i’ve been trying to say this is what will happen once baron davis is healthy. but lin can get that done. and will get that done.
d’antoni’s offensive scheme that every new yorker with a heart full of rage and garbage routinely chastises relies heavily on players read and react skills. fields is basically the only one that can do it out of position. eveyrbody else has been out of position, and on our best of days, only made due. i dunno man. shits about to pop off if you ask me.
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no doubt
i expect Lins scoring numbers to recede and his assist numbers to grow.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
yep
also, carmelo’s fg% probably gonna go up 40% on 3’s is not out of the question, amar’e fg% will go way up, closer to 55-60%… and we’re gonna start seeing games where 4 or 5 guys get 15 shots apiece. the ball will find the hot hand.
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and you got a nice, diverse bench of
jorts, shump, JJ, Novak and Davis (eventually) to come in based on who is not hot and what part of the game is struggling.
which should also be good so our big guys can play a few less min as the cramped season moves on.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
this would be delightful
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
How about this
Lin runs the pick and roll with Amar’e while Chandler stays in the midrange. He can then run screens for Carmelo on the perimeter/ midrange, and/or roam in unaccounted for for offensive rebounds and putbacks.
How about this: With Lin and Amar’e clicking and Tyson gobbling up o-bounds, teams will be forced to play their best defensive bigs, and thus their team will be easier to handle on the offensive end.
How about this: With Lin, Tyson, and Amar’e to account for in the paint, and Carmelo on the perimeter and in the midrange, teams are going to have to stay home and there will be less leaking out. It will be easier for our guys to get back on D.
It’s just all good stuff. There may be some spacing issues to work out, particularly with Amar’e and Tyson. When they are both in the game, watch out for Amar’e’s three point shooting. Seriously!
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I think it will be the opposite of this
Lin runs the pick and roll with Amar’e while Chandler stays in the midrange.
Lin and Chandler run the pick and roll while Amar’e gets all the wide-open 15-foot jumpers he can handle. When Chandler sits, STAT goes to work as the dive man. Tyson Chandler is not that useful in the midrange except as a screen-setter.
i think its everything
just keep the ball moving, take good looks, quick passes. the potential is there.
i repeat: the potential is there!
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i feel the opposite of how you feel
yea you just asked questions and didn’t really flesh out an opinion.
but look, the team needed a solid point guard before lin showed up. now its a team with a heady point guard making the right play and finding the right guy.
and here’s where my opinion comes in- the worst thing he has been doing is scoring in bunches. what a horrible thing for this poor kid to do to this team. is he some kind of jerk? why is he scoring so much? is he stupid?
no, he’s not. he’s the one with the hot hand! and any smart point guard will look for the guy with the hot hand. i’ll be god damned if carmelo or amar’e comes back and starts looking for one on one opportunities as soon as the clock starts. and its because we have a point guard that is worthy of having the ball in his hands. so its just not gonna happen. and i’ll be further damned if lin won’t find those two when they get hot. and i’ll be triple dog damned if the massive amount of points we can get when those two are getting good looks will stunt lin’s growth or make melo hold the ball.
everybody needs to stop with the insane fetishization of lin and demonization of melo/amar’e. if lin is so good, how will he possibly fare worse when carmelo gets all of bill walker’s shots? if lin is really worth a shit, how will the team struggle when he is dishing to amar’e on one of the most unstoppable pick and rolls in the nba?
i guess this isn’t just straight at you 19 sticks, but just in general, folks, come on! what the shit, ya’ll?
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by stingy d on Feb 11, 2012 1:49 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
I think Amare will play fine with Lin. I have some doubts about Melo taking a diminished role in a Lin-centered offense. I think Melo is willing to make adjustments, but I don’t know how it will all come together in the end. He’s made some progress, but Carmelo has a great opportunity here to prove that he’s a team player.
well the thing is, it wont be lin centered.
it would be what it was if baron was their, giving the PG the ball and having him find the open man.
melo ran this for a good part of the season and i think he will be delighted to allow an actual PG take that over and move back to his natural position where he can just score at will.
this is a team centered offense now that we have a PG.
not just stat and melo.
they will get theirs
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What Diminished role?
This is Carmelo Anthony we are talking about. He is still going to get his 20 shots a game folks. If for no other reason than D’Antoni wants Carmelo to take 20 shots a game. The difference is with an actual point guard to run the offense, Melo’s shot attempts will come in the form of something other than 20 Iso’s. Let us not get this twisted Carmelo Anthony is not getting his role diminished or his minutes cut when he comes back in. He will still get his shots and he will still have plays run for him. The only difference is Carmelo will be a part of the offense, instead of trying to be the offense.
by Robert Curre on Feb 14, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
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I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
This Exactly This
everybody needs to stop with the insane fetishization of lin and demonization of melo/amar’e. if lin is so good, how will he possibly fare worse when carmelo gets all of bill walker’s shots? if lin is really worth a shit, how will the team struggle when he is dishing to amar’e on one of the most unstoppable pick and rolls in the nba?
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
stop with the insane fetishization of lin and demonization of melo/amar’e. if lin is so good, how will he possibly fare worse when carmelo gets all of bill walker’s shots?
I always thought that was some crazzy ass shit, people are putting waaay too much stock into thinking what these arm chair coaches in the media are spouting off and insinuating. Lin is succeeding with Bill Walker and Novak people…Bill Walker and Novak.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
i kind of equate this...
and now- this reference might be totally lost on some people- but the intense and over the top love for lin, and everybody having an essay about it, reminds me of when everyone and their fucking mother’s sopping wet uhhh… perm acted like they were the first odd future fan.
or like, yo look at me, i discovered earl swetshirt. even tho his youtube shit had 14 million views before i put my immediate family on to what he did 3 years ago. and i read about it on some blog for two weeks before i checked it out.
and then you’re gonna turn around and be like, now that earl is almost back and him and tyler are gonna be best buddies again forever, it won’t work out. because the music won’t have the same untouched quality about it. so you’ll never listen to that again, because its played out now.
but yo- what?!! give them time to make an album. and listen to the whole thing a few times before you decide that just because its not created in your perfect image, whether its good or not. consider all the changes that went on around the product, and the things that go in to it now vs what it was when it really was just some kids fuckin around.
i dunno where i’m goin with this anymore. and i don’t even like odd future. but the point is- let this shit marinate before you taste it. and if it doesn’t taste right. add some fuckin salt. and if at long last you’ve exhausted the spice rack, alirght man. we can fuckin throw it out. but that was some expensive ingredients. fuckin, rare reindeer meat. i dunno. dry it and make some fuckin rope if you got to.
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by stingy d on Feb 12, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm concerned because that made some sembelence of sense to me
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
ur rambling makes more sense than 92.8% of popular opinon, so anytime.
and yes, I’ve extensively researched those figures.
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
It won't make the team worse as long as Lin still runs the offense
Melo can just become like..the league’s best catch and shoot player and we’ll be good to go. He’ll be like Jason Richardson in Phoenix except with a post-up game and some iso opportunities when Lin is off the court.
No way
And to be honest, I think anyone who makes the assertion has an irrational hatred of Melo. Good point guards only get better with more talented offensive players that they can set up. And teams won’t be able to collapse on Lin like the Lakers did with the pure firepower of Melo/Amar’e on the floor. His job will become much easier.
well walker at least hoists his crap up in a hurry
melo needs a few seconds to think about it before hoisting his crap up plus he’s going to take 15-20 shots.
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it has... tysons body
i mean tyson has to go up their and try to get the board an extra 10 times a night. now thats not fair…
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, i think there will be a time of adjustment but overall no.
Melo will take Walker’s shots and some of shump’s and he is a better shooter than them. Melo is seeing what Lin is doing during the game and when’s back he’ll understand the offensive plan. When defenses key in on lin he won’t be able to have that much space to work with. But Once melo is back there is no way a team can key in on Lin and ignore melo at the same time. Melo’s presence alone can open up the offense more for Lin to work with. And with Lin creating shots for melo, he won’t have to try and create himself as much. Also his isoing can be picked for particular moments, like yesterday with the rest of his team sucking, we saw Kobe will his team back, which melo can do once in a while. Lin’s points per game might drop, but having Melo and Amare will up his assists total.
All about the ego
It all depends on Carmelo’s ego. Can he handle not being “the man,” the Knicks not being “his team”?
If he can accept it, the Knicks become very hard to beat. Two powerful inside players, a great outside shooter (Anthony) and another good one (Fields), together with an orchestrating point guard who can score inside and outside … how do you defend that?
If he doesn’t accept it (and it does seem to go against the natural grain of his personality) … that’s a problem.
And if it does become a problem, only the fans at the Garden could solve it. D’Antoni ultimately has no control over Anthony, none of his teammates does either.
But a thunderous chorus of boos raining down on all sides every time he touches the ball … tough love from his constituency … that would change him.
Hopefully it doesn’t come to that. But if it does … after this taste of basketball played the right way… I know the Garden just would not put up with it …
he's already been booed
and i thought he responded well.
the only time we’re gonna complain about melo, dare i say, being melo- is when the team is just out of sync, so he tries to assert his will on the game. sometimes it will work, sometimes not.
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the knicks hab\ve been amare's team throughout melos career here, that will not change
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Therein, I think
Is the difference between Melo and LeBron. I’ve seen the Knicks take advantage of LeBron asserting himself after an insane run of points by Wade, cutting off the momentum and allowing the Knicks to take the game.
Melo may do that by accident a couple of times but I don’t think that kind of behavior, the need to show he’s ‘the greatest’ is that much a part of his personality.
Plus, the Knicks have Lin controlling the ball and controlling the action, he’s clearly in command out there and makes the right basketball decisions – the coach feels that way and the players all feel that way. Carmelo will be on board. The only way shit gets weird is if he’s not scoring and the Knicks also aren’t winning.
Melo wants to win, ya’ll. He’s a great one on one player but he’s also a good passer and a good rebounder. He’s a player. He wants to be part of this.
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Probably not.
See the game vs. the Nets. Melo and Amar’e were on the court with Lin. Melo was even giving Lin the ball in late game situations. He’s a leader out there.
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Nahh it wont
It makes us alot more deadly. Before Lin came up and performed like has, we had no true PG. we relied on carmelo’s scoring ability so he would go nut and never pass. When we had billups (healthy) melo was a team player and distributed the ball. With Lin, things will get much better
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by jets4life24 on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This team will get much better with Melo
it will look deeper, and be able to play big, small, offensive or defensive – we are suddenly close to a real team and all it took was one awesome player (and him making Novak and JJ more awesome at the same time)
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We're all focusing on the Lin's effect on the offensive side of the ball..
I’m more concerned that when Melo comes back, our defense and 48 minute hustle will suffer as a result of worse on-court team chemistry.
I thought Melo's D has been solid this year
his offense was what was killing us.
That was our biggest problem all year
But our D has looked improved too. Only person that might mess it up some is STAT
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this may be true...
but it’s valid. individual D and team D are very different, and if Melo gets his minutes back, that’s less for chemistry guys like JJ. it’s true I have considerable Melo doubts, but watching our team chemistry these last 4 games, it’s become even more apparent the power of trusting teammates and of this thing called chemistry… something Melo is NOT known for.
by bucketsncents on Feb 11, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
*groans*
something Melo is NOT known for.
The only reason Melo isn’t known for his “chemistry” is because as soon as Denver found out he was no longer happy there, they wanted to tear apart the guy’s rep and shit on him.
Denver certainly had no “chemistry” issues with him before they found out he was not re-signing. So where did these chemistry issues come from really?
It’s all bull shit and spin. Does he take lots of shots…sure, but if that’s how the offense is designed and the whole team understands that there is no issue. Fans are gonna love it when they go down and hate it when they miss, but let’s not mistake Denver’s previous bitterness as fact. Our team had problems because Anthony had to pick up the slack because no one else was would and they seemed to settle for Anthony doing his thing. I’m not going to say Melo had no responsibility or that he always made the right choices because frankly he didn’t. But to hang that ugly albatross of losses on him solely is ridiculous, simply because no one else would step the fuck up (amongst many, many, many other reasons.)
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
he's gone, and they still reference "selfishness" and their new "chemistry"...
i’m sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but it’s just as naive to assume he’ll come back and keep this lovefest going as it is to assume that he’ll destroy it.
all yet to be determined, with some of us more worried… and some of y’all less worried.
by bucketsncents on Feb 12, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
that's the thing though
I don’t assume anything. I have opinions which are sometimes right and sometimes wrong but I never go out of my way to predict the future and sell anyone a certainty.
Aside from that I have no biases against anyone on this team, even when we were cursed with Duhon who I hated exponentially I didn’t pretend to know what he was going to do night to night, I didn’t put all our problems on him and when he played well, I gave him his due…before I went back to hating him.
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Some players just rub us the wrong way... admittedly, Melo has been that for me...
but I still hope, until he pisses me off and I unleash holy righteous outraged hell. If he dares defy our Lin, I’ll hurl a posting and toasting shock and awe campaign at him like he’s never seen.
by bucketsncents on Feb 13, 2012 6:39 AM EST up reply actions
lol, I believe you
lets hope it doesn’t come to that
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by Lord Smackington on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Wasn’t Melo’s chemistry just fine on the olympic squad? Very talented players sometimes have trouble dealing with players that are less talented, especially during tough times. I think Melo’s a guy like that, but he’s not a point guard, the Knicks have a good one, and the rest of the team and the coach support Lin’s playmaking. Defense is not Melo’s forte, but the defensive culture of the team is fine. Besides, he’s at least as good a defender as Bully and Novak.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Melo is an okay defender
unlike walker, he’s not willing to pick up fouls, but he plays alright team defense. he at least knows what he’s doing.
I REALLY question whether stoudemire is an improvement over jeffries. jeffries is a much, much better defender and brings more intangibles. amar’e brings shooting and better conversion of pick and roll play because he’s a better finisher and a better free throw shooter, but that’s it.
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hm, did you watch the knicks last year before the trade?
i don’t see how anyone can question whether stat is an improvement over jeffries if they’ve actually seen stat in full flow. i know you predominantly watched denver before the trade, so i’m not meaning to get at you, but that seems a quite odd statement.
also i have to say i don’t think it’s because walker is willing to pick up fouls, so much as he actually can’t play without fouling a lot of the time. he does it on offense, he does it on defense, and he probably fouls team-mates when he’s on the bench!
I am not a nuggets fan; I am a knicks fan
I actually really dislike george karl and kenyon martin. Melo has always been one of my favorite non-knicks, but I watched nearly every pre-trade knicks games last year and maybe 5 nuggets games. that streak of 30 point games was impressive, but we were a different team. he played center with four shooters, that gave him spacing and favorable match-ups which he might not get this year
my problem with amar’e is his defense. teams run pick and rolls at him because he gets confused. bulls blatantly did that during our last games. that’s how hansborough went off for 30 point twice in a row against us last year. darrell arthur lit us up too doing that. it’s a huge problem. plus his all-around team defense is just bad.
and jeffries to me is a net positive on offense . . . never plays outside his means, decent at finishing pick and rolls, moves the ball, hustles for rebounds, sets screens. amar’e should be more than a net positive, but when he forces the issue and tries to score over packed paints, he is not. plus his jumper’s been shaky this year
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no
we’ll be better now that we have a semblance of a PG
PG dishes and dictates, not Melo
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by Undiscovered Country theuc.us on Feb 11, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions
he don't fit
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*heat
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They made the NBA finals last year
And should have won. They fit pretty damn well if you ask me
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they're extremely talented but they don't fit well
I don’t see a lot of chemistry between lebron and wade except during fast breaks. bosh gets reduced to spacing the floor and hustle plays. they just don’t bring out the best in each other. compared to the celtics and a lot of great team whose players all complemented each other, they don’t fit very well. they could overcome it through sheer talent though.
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I don't think amar'e and carmelo fit well either
but hopefully they’ll make it work too
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Let me explain what I meant
They lost in 6 games and I am glad they did. Seeing those three egos lose to Dirk and Kidd was awesome.
That said, the Heat were the better team. Lebron disappeared in the clutch (seriously he was a liability). That’s why they lost.
I see the arguments against this (shoulda coulda woulda) and they’re fair. I just think the Heat were the best team in the league last season. But I am glad they lost.
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The heat were not the best crunchtime team
Because LeBron is not the best crunch time player, and since that team doesn’t have a clear floor leader point guard, he ends up controlling the action in the end of the game.
By contrast, the Mavs had Kidd, the guy knows how to put his team into position to win down the stretch. I would say that was the difference in an otherwise close series. The Heat added a guy in Norris Cole that they hoped might help with that.
To me, the BEST thing about Lin is that he is fearless and ballsy and leaderly down the stretch.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
he's an Eagles fan
“should have” is more relevant then “have”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
as much as i hate them, they are winning.
the only problem is the only guy they have that is clutch is Wade, and teams can just double him, cause lebron basically is the worst player in the league when it comes to winning games in the 4th.
the knicks have 2 guys, Stat and melo. both very good in the clutch and melo the best in the league for some time at it
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"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but
most importantly, the Knicks now have a floor general that will make good decisions down the stretch and set those guys up.
That gives them an advantage over the Heat.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
agree.
they also have the best front court in the league with melo amare and chandler.
add JR Smith to the mix in the back court. and this is championship bpund,
just imagine, a roster with the first 7 guys being tyson, stat, melo, lin, fields, shump, and JR. then u have novak and jeffries on the bench and BOOM championship
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
if carmelo is a ball stopper and gives lackadaisical effort on defense, he will hurt us
otherwise he is gold to have on the wing. he can isolate at the end of the shot clock and if he has marquis daniels’ 80 pound self guarding him or something.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
Yes
This exactly. And personally, given the things MElo has been saying and his reaction on the sideline, I think buying in won’t be an issue
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
luckily the garden crowd is not shy about giving him the business
so if he holds it, the boo birds will be on his case.
/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \
Seriously, people need to stop
Getting a superstar back does not make a team worse ever ever ever. The Knicks have to adjust to fit everybody into the offense.
Some people questioned the defensive effort when Stat and Melo come back....
We’ll be scoring 150+ points so defense won’t matter :p
Tyson Chandler: Kung-Fu Knickerbocker
Carmelo will be a problem.
there’s already a problem with him and Amare clogging the middle
Melo, Fields & Chandler to Orlando for Dwight Howard +1
Hey, man! Don't Bundy that book!
you are incorrect on every single thing you said just right their
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 12, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
My response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
by tanman5 on Feb 12, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for reminding me of that beutiful movie
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
only -11?
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
eh
didn’t felt it mattered as long as the message was sent but I’d have happily hit the negative infinity key if I possessed one.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
did u just +1 your own shit?
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 12, 2012 7:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
ur a fool man.
u check my rhymes man?? i was in the whip freestylin when i wrote it lol
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
-1
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
agree +1
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
and no, he meant +1 player... hahahahaha
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Chandler > Howard
Did you see the shit that Howard was saying after the Magic won? He was complaining that he didn’t get the ball down the stretch and that he needs to if he is going to become a ‘closer’ blah blah blah. After a WIN.
Dude, learn to hit some foul shots.
Really – red flag. Chandler’s a great defender, a very good rebounder, and a great finisher around the basket. And a decent foul shooter. And a great teammate. And he has a championship to show for it.
Say what you want about Melo – I don’t see him complaining about not getting the ball in the end of the game if the Knicks win the game.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
agree tyson>dwight for this team...
but dont tell me you think tyson is the better player
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
SBXVI Champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I told YOU ALL... 5 months ago i was the only one who bELIeved, HELL YEA!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Feb 14, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
of course we'll be worse.
what type of question is this??? we’re bound to lose at least one game from now till the end of the season.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 12, 2012 7:57 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Are you guys nuts?
how can the Knicks get worse when Melo comes back? Melo has been playing out of position all year long doing this facillitator crap D’antoni has him doing. He’s played with Chauncey, Allen Iverson, Andre Miller at pg and on Team USA Now all of a sudden this year he’s a clog? Do you guys seriously think we got a shot at the Bulls, Heat, Celts, Pacers or even The Hawks w/o Melo? Look I like Lin but to blame Melo for the team’s lack of offense is ridiculous. I think the recent success is because we now actually have a point guard. Personally i think when Amare and Melo come back full force the Knicks will be really really Good.
by mightykingcrayo on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions
not saying they will be worse...
but the same reason the Nuggets got better without his stardom, is the same reason we could, theoretically, get worse upon his return. Sometimes chemistry trumps talent.
by bucketsncents on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
If Lin is the ballhandler and Melo is relegated to be a scoring machine with no pg duties This team should do perfectly fine offensively. Like many others said we’re talking a Melo for Walker lineup change. Are we even arguing? The problems would come if Fields regresses to his shy uneffective play, the team begins to rely again on Melo like he’s god, Melo goes 1 on 4 thinking he’s god.
If the Knicks continue to play unselfish, with Melo doing some isos and more catch and shooting, then the sky is the limit. I mean, we won FIVE in a row playing our BENCH. The only thing it takes is sharing the ball and playing like you’re no better than your team mates.
My question is: will our D get worse?
Melo can’t be worse than Walker, but Stat is certainly worse that Jeffries on D.
by Alessandro Bozzi on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST reply actions
Andre Miller is a pass first point guard who Melo played with from 04 to 07 and the Nuggets were pretty damned good each of those seasons...
making the playoffs each of those seasons, and even finishing first in the west the 2005-06 season.
No chemistry issues.
They were invented once Melo decided he wanted to come to NY.
Annnnnnnd even if there were issues(which I still think is bullshit), it sure seemed like they still managed to be professionals and do their jobs well enough to be successful.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions
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