Jeremy Lin is for real. The Knicks pulled a miracle. *updated*
Over the past week the Jeremy Lin story (aka Linsanity aka bad, lazy Lin pun time aka racism ahoy) has risen from modest levels of "We will remember this as the Jeremy Lin game" to...well...outscoring Kobe and dropping the highest total for any Knick this season against the Lakers in MSG. While most of us are excited about this diamond in the rough there is still a puzzlement as to his true talent level and staying power. You never have a complete picture of an athlete after a week of play, doubly so when it is an athlete who has eluded scrutiny for so long.
After the Lakers game, I became a firm believer. You don't just drop 38 points like that with a veteran team keying in on you, tired legs or not. The Twolves game only convinced me further. 20 pts 8 ast 6 reb and 3 stl on an off-day (15 pts in one half). I know it is foolish to get worked up over gaudy single-game statistics like these. Sometimes if you're a not-so-great player you have a 1% chance any given night of dropping 40. That 1% is bound to happen sooner or later. When you talk about a streak of performances like this, however, the probabilities multiply and dwindle. I went to basketball-reference and used the Player Streak finder to search for all players since the 2006-2007 season with streaks of at least 20 ppg and 5 assists, similar to what Fivethirtyeight did recently but I watered down the requirements a bit just to get a bigger list for comparison as well as include Lin's recent game.
STREAKS OF 20 PPG, 5 APG SINCE THE 2006-2007 SEASON
The worst player on that list to do it five times or more in a row is Devin Harris. He did it twice in the 2008-2009 season, the best of his career (21.3 PPG 6.9 APG). The rest of the list is comprised of Hall of Famers, perennial all-stars, and good players in prime seasons (like Harris). Going back to 2000-2001 the worst player by far to accomplish the feat was Damon Stoudemire in one of his later seasons. After him, the worst players to have a 5 game streak like this are guys like Steve Francis, Ricky Davis, Jamal Mashburn. Good company. And he is doing this to basically start his career on a team where he has been the primary ballhandler and scorer with fairly terrible offensive players getting minutes around him.
-UPDATE-
Considering JLin's probable role with this team, his PG skills and some of the special circumstances surrounding his debut, I feel like the 20 points 5 assist criteria is misdirected. The chart is dominated by scorers first and foremost. Part of what makes Lin special is his pure PG ability, which is enhanced by and enhances his scoring ability. So I ran a search for streaks of 15 points, 7 assist games, which also encapsulates Lin's recent streak but emphasizes the assists over the scoring.
STREAKS OF 15 PPG, 7 APG SINCE THE 2006-2007 SEASON
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 2/13/2012.
I think this gives a better idea of Lin's "range" than anything else, since his point numbers are likely to go down but his assist numbers will probably increase. Of those who have streaks of at least 5 games the worst to do it are guys like Mo Williams, Darren Collison, and Kirk Hinrich. Going back to 2001, Luke Ridnour may be the worst to do it once, but the majority of people on both lists are good-to-great guards. A run like this occurs fairly rarely unless you're one of the very best. Lesser PGs still pull it off on occasion, but very rarely more than once. I think we can consider it a small measure of skill and consistency. This particular streak has an excellent chance of continuing into the higher rankings if Lin keeps it up.
Lin may end up being at the skill level of Kirk Hinrich when all is said and done, but even a Hinrich in D'Antoni's system with these tools around him can be astounding. I think that's his floor. Now consider that Lin has done this in his very first opportunity getting playing time and with the two best offensive weapons on his team either slumping/hurt (Melo vs Nets) or not playing at all. I believe this guy is something special and is what the team has been missing to make it a contender. At minimum he's proven that he's NBA worthy and talented enough to be a starter.
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So the odds are pretty good that he’s true all-star level talent, and if he keeps up this streak for a few more games then…well you can figure out the rest.
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Its like a feel good soap opera……the next feel good for Knicks fans will come when the stars return and watch how they will appreciate and work with this kid who can help them win after having the opportunity to see the team play and backups through different eyes. They are pros and will be happy to thrive on a winning team. Hope you guys make it to the playoffs…it will be fun to watch…..
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 12, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions
Gotta love it......
…..When a guy as a win +20pts+8sts+3stls and the media calls it an off night Ha! Wish we had that problem.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM EST reply actions
Wow... and Nash is only on there twice.
7 game streak in ’09; and a 5 game streak in ’07.
He has multiple shorter streaks if you check the original table
also this only going back like 4-5 seasons
Nash probably doesn't score enough to do it too often
much more of a passer
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Any game Nash's teammates are doing well, his scoring in that game will be low.
No matter who you surround him with … his teams are incredibly efficient offensively. He’s also one of the all-time accurate shooters. If he’s not putting up points, it’s because he’s got everyone around him scoring.
The definition of a team player.
I think Lin works into that role when Melo returns. MDA better tweek this thing until is of prime efficiency.
Jeremy's most important stat is wins
The game dictates the stats, or at least it should. He is not out there to get just his. When Melo gets worked in it could get scary.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
does it count is Melo did it while in Denver?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 13, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
What's especially awesome
is that the Knicks have a very good team around him.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Stats are nice
But 5-0 with what we thought were mostly scrubs is the best stat of all.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
by YuckFou on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. He's not bad. Been pretty good his last few starts for Cleveland.
Let’s keep in mind that they also have different styles, but if I told you before the Nets game that Jeremy Lin was at the talent level of Ramon Sessions, you’d be ecstatic. Right now I see that as Lin’s baseline or perhaps a little above it.
by SweatbandProliferation on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Your mixing rotten apples with fresh oranges.
1)Ramon Session never averaged 26.8 ppg and 8apg hitting 50 percent of his shots in his first 7 starts. He averaged 11ppg and 13 apg hitting 44 percent of his shots. Much bigger difference in scoring than passing, to say nothing of defense
2)Ramon Sessions first 7 starts were – literally – the last 7 games for the Bucks in 07-08. On a team that was 11 games out of the playoffs. In Milwaukee.
3)Perspective
4)Please
You're missing his point. He's not comparing Lin to Sessions.
He’s trying to get in a dig at people who said, prior to the emergence of Jeremy Lin, that we should trade for even an average PG like Sessions. Which still makes his comment stupid, a) because there’s nothing unreasonable about advocating to trade for an actual PG if you’re going to run a system that desperately needs one, and b) because nobody, including him, saw this Jeremy Lin thing coming, so trying to get in told-ya-so’s over trades that didn’t happen in light of the miraculous Linception is highly disingenuous.
That's crazy
Had no idea on that one. I had my doubts the first couple of games, but I think it’s safe to say he might be better for this team than Baron Davis (yeah, I know you’ve all been thinking that for a while now, but I’ve been skeptical)
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Better then "a healthy" Baron Davis that is.
As there is no question he is better then a frequently injured B-Diddy.
A motivated healthy Baron Davis is an all star caliber player
Especially on this team playing D’antoniball. But Jeremy Lin is the heart and soul of the team. I doubt if the coaches or anyone at MSG wants to fuck with that dynamic.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Like your update
Because what the Knicks really need is a point guard, not a 20 point per game scorer, though his ability to do that is certainly a plus.
Good to see he’s in good company with your revised analysis.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
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by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions
I'm a believer for sure...but...
This is at least partial a product of the Knicks having no viable PG at all this year. Teams haven’t been prepared to gameplan for Lin as he as a player had very little tape on him, the Knicks themselves have had no PG play that warranted it, and most of the teams we’ve played have far from marquee defensive players capable of guarding PGs.
That being said, it doesn’t take away from the role he has this team on, but playing these teams a second time around will be telling as too how good an expenditure the #17 Lin jersey was.
Fair, but think about the hundreds of players to play the game under all sorts of different circumstances that never come close to doing what he's done in his first real shot
Sure part of it is lack of gameplanning. The player still needs to execute and Jeremy has. He hasn’t been perfect, but he’s been pretty damn good. And it’s not like opposing teams will adjust to Lin and that’s that, he is smart enough and hardworking enough to adjust and improve his game. The guy is practically a rookie. His worst game this year is 20 points, 8 assists, 6 boards, and 3 steals, and only really because of fatigue. And he’s doing it without the two best players besides himself and perhaps Chandler. Sometimes I step back and look at what he’s done and I just shake my head like “what the fuck”
by SweatbandProliferation on Feb 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions

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