Knicks 90, Raptors 87: "Shump and Lin wouldn't let us lose."
by Seth on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 PM EST
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PrintFor the second game in a row, the Knicks faced a team determined to punish Jeremy Lin and end the winning streak. And again, the Knicks appeared to be out of it on multiple occasions, including at several points well into the fourth quarter. But like $100 Million Contract said in the thread, Iman Shumpert and Jeremy Lin (and some brilliant team-wide defense) just wouldn't let the Knicks lose. Shump picked up Jose Calderon after Lin had struggled to defend him in the first half and just slashed the tires on what had been a terrific individual performance. That effort-- pressuring Calderon's dribble and sticking with him on the move-- spearheaded much sharper, more aggressive D by the whole squad. The Knicks forced 9 turnovers and held the Raps to just 12 points in the fourth.
Know who else had 12 points in the fourth? Jeremy Lin. He'd spent much of the night forcing shots and turning the ball over in traffic (though he had a pretty decent line anyway), but just gritted his teeth and attacked in the fourth quarter, repeatedly scoring and drawing contact on the move. After missing some important free throws, Lin converted an absurd three-point play to tie the game, then, with the game tied and time winding down, he waited...and waited...and waited...and...
BANG.
Just absurd. This came after Shumpert rimmed a nice look at a mid-range jumper and Tyson Chandler tipped out an offensive rebound. Mike D'Antoni opted not to call a timeout, and instead told the Knicks to space the floor and let Lin work. He dribbled out the clock while I jumped up and down on my chair screaming "GO! GO! GO!". Calderon sagged off a step, and Lin just pissed in his eye. It just gets crazier and crazier.
- Defensively, the Raptors' approach was similar (at least to my untrained eye) to the Wolves' in the previous game. They trapped HARD on picks and roughed him up as much as possible, occasionally getting away with uncalled contact. That didn't stop Jeremy from handling the ball a lot, and in the midst of so much traffic, he ended up missing some tough shots and coughing up the ball a few times in traffic. It was an off night, though that didn't stop him from notching 27 points and 11 assists to go with his unsightly 8 turnovers. Those are...ya know...pretty good numbers. Lin's major issue in this one was repeatedly losing Jose Calderon over screens (and getting no help from Amar'e Stoudemire) and giving him wide open jumpers, which led to...
- ...Shumpert picking up Calderon in the mid-third and then for all of the fourth quarter. He got over plenty of screens, and went under the rest of them with gusto so as not to give Calderon a sliver of space to score. Though Lin had the shots to tie and win the game, it was Shump's backcourt pick and coast-to-coast finish against Calderon that cut the Raptor lead to 3 with a minute and a half left. The Knicks needed several big, big plays to steal this one, and Shump's was the first of them.
- (Shump was quietly 3-9 and blew yet another open dunk, but all is forgiven.)
- Stoudemire, in his return, had a few nice moments but looked quite a bit like his mid-January self. On offense, he rimmed out his open jumpers and tried to create a bit too much for himself, stumbling into eeeeasily half a dozen blocked shots without any burst toward the rim. We got a little peek at how deadly a Lin-Stoudemire tandem can be, but just a peek. Still, much more than we'd seen with anyone else the Knicks started at point guard this season. That'll improve. On defense, Amar'e was up to all his old tricks. He was partially responsible for Calderon's dominance in the first half (negligent help and half-assed switches) and just let guys like Linas Kleiza and James Johnson smoke him off the dribble a couple times. For what it's worth, Amar'e appeared (to me) to do a much better job of helping and sticking with his man and stuff in the second half.
- Clyde totally predicted all this, by the way. When asked before the game what he expected, he replied: "I expect...a Linsation! [chucklechucklechuckle]"
- Back to Lin, it seemed like he had plenty of success eschewing the pick-and-roll and just rocking Calderon off balance to beat him one-on-one off the dribble. He made some very lovely passes in that setting as well. Driving the wrong way off the pick seemed to work early on as well. Something to consider, no? When teams are trapping over the screen, he's repeatedly demonstrated enough of a first step to just drive away from the screen and get to the basket.
- Tyson Chandler had a pretty quiet game because of some dumb, dumb fouls (some dumb on his part, some dumb on a ref's part). He was obviously instrumental in that fourth quarter defense, though, and had a big block on Leandro Barbosa after Shump's coast-to-coast finish.
- Landry Fields also looked a bit like his mid-January self in at least one respect: his drives to the basket were untimely and often ended in him just flinging in the ball straight up in the air whilst trying in vain to draw contact. On the other hand, Fields was a superb playmaker off the dribble (as he's been for a couple games running). He made a couple gorgeous dishes to Chandler (including some off picks), as well as some smart extra passes on the perimeter.
- On a night when Steve Novak was creepily inaccurate, Bill Walker was...well, typically inaccurate, but made two important threes in the third quarter.
- Jared Jeffries didn't have a great defensive game-- he lost track of Kleiza and Johnson just as much as Stoudemire did-- but he did do a better job of helping to guard Calderon when Amar'e was off the floor.
- This was the second consecutive game (this was very similar to the Minnesota game, in case I haven't made that clear) in which the Knicks really should have shot themselves in the foot (the team, collectively, has one foot) with their bad fourth quarter free throw shooting (Lin and Chandler each missed several).
- It was sad to miss Clyde say "Barn-yar-ni", but at least we got to hear him say Linas "Klay-zer" a few times. Another classic. I miss the days when Chris Barsh and Jorge Garbajosa (THAT one Clyde could say) were around.
- Amar'e's post-game tweet (and photo of his new tattoo honoring his brother) is worth a look.
- Is Aaron Gray the largest toddler on Earth? He's gotta be in the top ten. Kid's gonna be like 9 feet tall when he hits puberty and stuff.
- While Amar'e's offensive futility was a little worrisome, I wouldn't discount the fact that Amir Johnson is quite a talented shot-blocker and showed off some perfect timing when Amar'e had good position.
- The post-game bro smooch! Beautiful!
So, yeah. This was the second straight game that felt like a loss the whole way. The Knicks of a month ago would have lost both. But, yet again, Jeremy Lin overcame some struggles and New York made massive improvements on what had been some seriously shitty defense to steal a win on the road. Impressive, unfamiliar stuff. The Knicks, who hit 14-15 with the win, now head home for a little while. That little while starts tomorrow night against the Kings.
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I'll read this tomorrow.
Bed time. Thanks for catching me up. I missed most of this game.
Linning and Winning!
MAKE YA DAMN FREE THROWS!
That said, this is the kind of game we never would’ve won a month ago.
Perseverance smells so good.
Right on both counts.
Fun fact…over the last 5 games we’re the worst team in the NBA for FT% & it’s costing us 3-4pts a game. That said, it could be a blip as our season ave. is a healthy 76.3%. It would be nice to have those extra few points when we hit a pretty tough stretch next month…but…
OMG! That was insane! Lin has balls we could all own a farm on!
Looking forward to seeing the Knicks score is waking me up very brightly these days.
Melo and Amare are great free throw shooters
Jared Jeffries is not. Problem solved!
by superturboultra on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oakley twat about floyd mayweather after the game
“Great win tonight @nyknicks ! Lin look like Manny Pacquiao in the ring. Another KNOCKOUT! Smile Mayweather!”
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
by DangerZone on Feb 14, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Enough about Lin...Its time for the Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
Jeffries was 1-2 from the field tonight for 2 points
Fun Fact: Jeffries has now made 2 or fewer shots in 5 consecutive games vs. the Raptors
Home of the Jared Jeffries Shot Tracker
by bluecheese999 on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions 20 recs
I dunno, I think I'm kinda done with this
How about the Jared Jeffries overlooked plays tracker? Last night on at least one occasion he sealed his defender off from the basket, preventing him from helping on a driving Lin, who hit a layup. Even on the offensive end, he does those little things that help make up for his inability to score.
Loving all these games so much right now
We’re doing what good teams do: winning games we have no business winning (and we know a lot about those games because for the past few years we’ve been on the losing end of them).
If it's wrong to wish
STAT and Jeffries could fuse Dragon Ball Z style… I don’t want to be right.
by gus.johnson on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
if amar'e and jeffries fused
and that player worked on his back to the basket game over a summer, he’d be something like prime kevin garnett good
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Guys
according to Tyson;
Coach D’Antoni called a screen and roll, Tyson was getting ready to set the screen, and Lin completely waved him off to iso Calderon
Ice cold.
He'd hear it if he missed though.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 14, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
during postgame press conf.
he also said coach looked at lin to call a time out and lin looked back and asked if he could get an iso instead
fuck them before they can fuck you
by turiafs beard on Feb 14, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not particularly
They trapped him hard on the screens tonight, and until the last minute (despite a nice stat line) it was a pretty below average night for Lin.
The score was tied, so if he missed, it’d go to OT, and the the Knicks had all the momentum. Not to mention the 3 was the right choice, because – although a low % shot – if he made it, the Raps could only tie it up. Perfect situation for the Knicks really
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by WSD on Feb 15, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this summation.
What got me was how calm and in control Lin was. He knew exactly what needed to be done. And i don’t think it was necessarily a 3 either. Calderon gave him a ton of space and Lin took a wide open shot. There was so much time left and he knew they wanted one shot and to leave the Raptors as little time as possible counter. When you think about it, that kinda negates a drive to the rim, since there is no guarantee of a foul call (which stops the clock and gives them time to manage a possible play).
So dude was very confident and decided (along with letting the coach know… he turned his head to the sidelines beforehand) to create something. And since the soce was tied, the Knicks had nothing to lose, just as you said.
So yeah, I agree, I don’t think Lin would have been criticized much at all if that shot hadn’t gone in. That shit was cold, cold, cold.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, you can see it on the video
Lin turns around to tell MDA about it, then waves Chandler off as Chandler starts to come for the pick, then takes it himself. Planned it exactly the way it went down. Ice cold. Beautiful play.
by JR99 on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
probably
but lin said it was a clearout signaled by dantoni and while watching it sure looked as if dantoni was on the sideline signaling to clear out…sooo, i guess he changed his mind after the fact seeing the situation and went with a clear out?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think this timing is perfect
Get amare assimilated into the linsanity and melo has no choice but to follow
by jhMLB on Feb 14, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you're acting as if Melo wouldnt want to
buy into a system that’s working.
Melo will follow because he wants to win, and that will make him a better player
by DonMoosavi on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wonder who would take that final shot
when Melo is back? Although, if nothing else, we’d have defence-worrying options…
I think it will work itself out too.
I think with Melo back, if they are in the same situation (tie game, shot clock turned off), it’s not an automatic thing that the ball will always be in Lin’s hands to take the final shot. I think it will depend on who has the hot hand?
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
i think my wording was wrong
I have confidence this team will be much better with melo. Im just a little concerned with the growing pains, but its going to be fun to see.
by jhMLB on Feb 15, 2012 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we're deeefinitely gonna see growing pains
We can’t underestimate this, guys. It could move smoothly, if Melo wants to buy in, he will. Hopefully he’ll regret his decision before we lose too many games :/
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 15, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
More Aggressive Picks, Please!
I’d like to see them set their picks with a little more GUSTO. A number of times tonight they seemed to slip them way too early, transforming pick and rolls into hey-I’m-pretty-close-to-you-well-actually-no-I’m-not-I’m-in-the-paint-now-clogging-the-lane-my-bad!s.
When they actually committed to the picks it opened up more room for everyone to operate.
That being said…
This is the most fun I’ve had as a Knicks fan since 1999!
Thanks to Time Warner, I've been drinking
But watching wins like this are way better at bars than at my apartment, where after halftime I probably would have just loaded up redtube and cried myself to sleep
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 14, 2012 11:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
thanks to lin, ive been drinking
watching wins like this hammered is way better with lin running the show than howard eisley
fuck them before they can fuck you
i think the week+ part is both the giants and knicks.
hence… best week ever experienced.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
I'm still taking whatever week in '94 when the Knicks and Rangers were both in the Finals
but I could never have imagined that Jeremy Lin could ever outshine Duke beating UNC at the buzzer on the road…
Great week.
This is kind of like if that Starks 3 went in at the end of game six
Having Lin is kind of like if Oakley rather than Ewing had set that screen, so Hakeem was nowhere near Starks.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Oh I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet
but since the beginning of the season Melo has been leading the team in assists per game (4.2)
Lin has finally surpassed him with 4.6 a game
lin in games with 20+ minutes
must be getting about 8 tho
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Going by memory, he's averaging 8.9 assists in the last 6 games.
That number is definitely high though.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Assists per 48 Minutes here.....
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avg48Assists/qualified/false
…where Lin’s entire season is counted, of course.
If you just look at the last 6 games (of Linsanity), his assists per 48 min = 10.5 (51 assists in 233 minutes) — not much changed. ~#12 in the league. Of course, he does a LOT of scoring himself…. And guys have been missing open looks too… which will probably change.
i expect to see
lin scoring around 16 a game and getting about 8 assists a game in the end.
more than anything tho, i would love it, absolutely fucking love it, if he beat duhon’s assist record.
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i think duhon has most consecutive free throws as well.
perhaps novak can have that one.
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doesnt galo have that?
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
pretty sure breen jinxed him
and he came one short of tying.
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in my heart, he passed it.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
gallo chocked on the tying FT
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
time isn't the issue
putting duhon out of the record book is.
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Duhon is getting 6.6 assists per 48 this year.
In 09-10 he got 8.8 per 48 with the Knicks. Lin’s way ahead of him already.
(Can’t really use assists-per-game because of minutes-played factor)
i really cant wait to see this team at full strength after every1 gets chemistry together
im starting to think shits gonna go down this season
Can't wait for Melo...
I’m not buying the hype that Melo won’t fit in and will mess up our chemistry. I feel a bit foolish to even entertain it. Walker is atrocious. I can stand his bricks, but he’s a half step slow on D and commits fouls that perplex me. (although i must say that slowness did help him on that one steal). Him and TD are suffering from the same ailment, and what ever that ailment may be, it’s an ailment that’s in their head. A couple of DNPs may actually help in the long term.
BTW, who was the last pass first PG Melo played with? Billups has savvy and smarts and directs traffic well, but I wouldn’t call him a playmaker. Andre Miller maybe? How’d Melo play with Miller running the show. I’ll need to check stats, records, etc.
We’ve had some dry spells the last few games, where I thought an ISO to Melo would be great, along with a free throw dropping here or there. We dodged a few bullets with our poor FT shooting in the fourth the last few games.
Anyway, I’m excited to get Melo back. Can’t wait.
Also, did anyone see Sportscenter mention something about the Lakers player lounge erupting after Lin hit the game winner and Artest running around screaming Linsanity?!
by Mdotpain on Feb 14, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Berger wrote an article saying the Melo with Miller was the best season of his career.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
that was a fantastic article!
As icky as Paul Pierce is there’s no doubt that the comparisons are there and he’s someone Melo should model himself after
If you happen to find a link
please do post…or I can search for it
Much appreciated for posting both links.
Quite insightful. I’m pushing 30 now so I should be able to recall the Pierce/Walker days, but I can barely recollect their time together. Also, I wish I had tape to review of Miller/Melo and dissect the intracicies of what worked for them, and then get a new 9 to 5 while I’m at it!
Wrong writter
http://www.msg.com/blogs/alan-hahn/the-knicks-fix-no-one-is-bigger-than-the-team-1.83197
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see how Melo adjusts but even though it has been a while since he had a pass first pg
you are right, his best years (points and overall for the most part statistically) with Denver were 05-06 and 06-07 when AM did average 8 and 9 assists respectively. I did not see him play a lot over there, so I have no idea how many iso plays they ran for him or if he was in pick and roll.
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thats a great point andre millers all i can think of.. melo's a very smart bball player
all this talk is bs hes going to fit in great faster than amare in my opinion,amare fits better thru the pick n roll but he still has to fit with chandler in the paint somehow which hasnt happened yet but will melo can fit right in and get open shots and every1 seems to be forgetting he hasnt even been healthy this yr!
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by wilddre22 on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
well, honestly
STATs contract and season numbers would make it very hard to trade him… not that I would…
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
Maybe we can trade them both for David Lee
Right Frankie?
as long as he does not force things and moves the ball, melo will be an asset and a deadly weapoon
it will be best for this team to take the ball out of his hands and make him a wing scorer.
in my opinion though in the future . . . and i am talking like 3-5 years from now when stoudemire is probably gone and we are a different team . .. i would like to see this team build around him properly. melo is an exceptional talent . . . he is a real power three. he should play down low like a center with the offense run through him. you need a specific roster for that (good shooters and intelligent half court players are a must), and we can’t give him it, so for now and i would say probably the next few years we roll with this.
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You want to build around a 33 year old perimeter player.
Actually when Amare is gone Melo will be right behind him.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
melo is not a perimeter player . . . he is a post player
his game should age pretty well . . . we’ll see. he definitely depends on his strength and explosiveness which might not be there when he’s older.
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The Nuggets built a team to complement Melo
and it got them out of the first round of the playoffs once in seven tries.
If the Knicks want to do better than that they need to build a team wherein Melo and Amar’e (and their other major pieces) can complement one another. The Knicks would be stupid to focus on “building around Melo” just as the Celtics would have been stupid to try to “build around Pierce.” Piece is a major piece, but not THE piece.
trying to convince this guy that melo is worth shit
is futile.
he believes melo is a post player that can’t play team ball. that stoudemire’s inattentive d is the death grip on a young and compacted season. and that the only solution is to liquidate the assets.
save yourself, flossy.
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but he was Melo's biggest fan 2 weeks ago
but yeah. fuck it. I don’t even.
no, flossy's right (for once in his life) I'm a big Melo homer
he can play at the perimeter, obviously, but he is deadly in the low post and that’s where I would like to see him mostly play one day. he is very much like bernard king. a small forward who can play like a big man. bernard king didn’t pass as much as carmelo should though. but of course king didn’t have anybody good to pass to . . .
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but it's worth noting he's been garbage this season
he shouldn’t be playing point forward though. he does not have the skill set for that.
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i hate talking to you because you're willing to concede nothing, and you're very rude to me even though we're just talking basketball
but i am a good sport, and i am willing to concede that carmelo might not be ready for that responsibility just yet. maybe playing in a role where he is forced to move the ball and make quick decisions would be a nice stepping stone for him.
but the nuggets did not build around carmelo the way i am talking about and there is absolutely no debating for it. they were a horrible shooting team until about 2009 when they traded iverson for billups. that’s bad for a post player. they also gave kenyon martin a max contract, a player who is horribly redundant with carmelo on offense and does not space the floor for him at all. ideally you’d want a four like bargnani or even kevin garnett who has good range but isn’t quite a perimeter player to put next to a power three. nene, billups, and j.r. smith were all good fits for melo. other than them though, I don’t think anyone else was ideal.
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Flossy...
This whole argument about “Melo took the Nuggets once in 7 tries” its complete BOGUS.
How many times did Kevin Garnett go to the 2nd round during his 8 years in Minnesota? ONCE!. Why has Garnett been so successful over the last 5 years? Because now he’s on a good TEAM. Notice how KG’s history of lack of success in playoffs prior to 2007 didn’t deter him from being really successful with the Celtics. The ultimate impact Melo will have with the Knicks can in no way be predicted based on what he did with the Nuggets. Every situation is completely different.
How about the fact that the reason Denver and Minny were not successful in the last decade is mostly due to the fact that a)they were in the Western Conference b)Peculiar circumstances such as bad trades/contracts and injuries(Kenyon?) with the Nuggets and Joe Smith Penalty with the Timberwolves severely hampered each team from building a true contender.
by bababooey2 on Feb 15, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You are 100% correct
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I have a feeling Amare is going to spend a lot of time telling people he didn't kill someone.
Can’t imagine how I’d feel or what I’d do if I lost my brother but that sort of tattoo usually carries a whole different meaning. .
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
It means you killed someone in prison, if I'm up to date on my street tats.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
uhhh wow
that’s interesting. I think he’s a recognizable enough figure where most people would know that’s not the case though
Usually the most accepted meaning is that if it’s filled in then it means you killed someone. If it’s not filled in it means a loved one was killed.
So in Amare’s case the tattoo is for his brother. Even in his tweet he says " forever crying inside". But a lot of people don’t know about the filled in/not filled in stuff & always assume the wearer is a murderer or a gang banger.
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by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Feb 15, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting
I love how his Warhol glasses cover it up though.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I noticed that too
It doesn’t really matter, he’s a multi-millionaire basketball player. It’s not like he has to worry about any job interviews or whatever.
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by Benny Blanco from the BriX on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
His first half shooting damn near killed me
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I would just assume that that 6'10 ripped man was amar'e stoudemire lol
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Knicks have allowed 23 4th quarter points in the last two games!!
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Jesus.
I really don’t know what to think of this. I hope he plays well enough the rest of the season to be invited to pay in the Olympics.
Then…
Would Lin accept it though?
If he accepted to play for Chinese team just once in the Olympics, I think the rules prevent him from ever playing for US team.
Not that we should worry about this now.
However the rule is that a player can only play for a country that he has citizenship. Lin is an American Citizen as he was born here. Now he would have to be givne Chinese Citizenship to play for them. By the way If a player has dual Citizenship he can play for either country that he chooses. So for example if South Africa ever qualified for the Olympics in basketball Steve Nash could play for them because he has both South African citizenship (he was born there) and Canadian Citizenship.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Probably not
Just because it would be an admission that taiwan was part of china, which is the way China see’s it but not so much the way Taiwan see’s it.
to the western world Taiwan and China are 2 seperate yet sovreign entities
to China, Taiwan is a rebel island that is still part of the people’s republic
Come on
Lin is good, but he’s not Rose or CP3 (yet)
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, I know it's relatively impossible.
But if a guy averages like 28 and 10 over the span of 40 games or so and brings them to the finals, wouldn’t Krzyzewski love himself a smart point guard?
If he does that, hell, he is MVP candidate who won't win it because he started to late...
but if he does that in the playoffs and finals, we will be finals MVP and Coach K would be a fool to not get him on the team.
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In order to add a player USA basketball would have to petition FIBA and the IOC don’t think they will be doing that as long as Chris Paul and Rose do not come up lame.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
nice
All I do is Lin Lin Lin no matter what...
by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
thats a rec
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Holy...Rec
That’s freaky and awesome at the same time.
Did you do that?
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
thats awesome
rec
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by nocookiesforme on Feb 15, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Who else is left in the team that's in the NBA?
I can only think of Marc Gasol.
Its so crazy that their crowd exploded when Lin drilled that shot.
That was a pretty loud ovation for a home-game, buzzer-beater loss.
thats the novelty factor
home team fans were sitting down pretty much the whole game
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Novelty or not, thats some crazy shit. It was a game-ending shot that killed the home team. And they errupted.
by Crackback on Feb 15, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure it was their first sellout of the year,
so I’m sure most weren’t there to see the Yo MTV Raps. It was pretty awesome though.
It was Asian Heritage night and there were like
10,000 Asian guys and gals in the stands. That is how you ended up with 20,000 people in the place. usually the crowd is about half that. So obvioulsly it backfired, cause the only team with a player of Asian Heritage was the Knicks and he hit the game winner.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Was reading that it's also the only Raptors sellout (except for opening night).
Fans didn’t show up just to see Lin, they came to cheer for him.
Alright I have to ask
last years pre trade team
Or our new team with Lin, Chandler, and Anthony
even though some think Melo will ruin it (preposterous) This team has waaaay more upside. Contening material
its gotta be the team now
there’s no question about that. i felt that way pre-lin tho.
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contending... only maybe.
the team still needs to answer some questions with their play
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hindsight is so easy
who knows how that team would have fared down the stretch. And let’s not forget that these past several wins have been against pretty soft teams for the most part.
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Actually it's pretty easy to guess how they would have fared down the stretch
Amar’e and Felton’s legs were dying leading to a huge fall in production leading into the trade. It seems unreasonable to expect some sort of magical turnaround.
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I disagree with that actually
The Knicks last year started cold, got hot, cooled off, but I thought after the all-star break they were heading toward another good streak. Felton was hurt and I thought that he would heal and they would get clicking again.
I gotta say, though, going into the playoffs I prefer a team with Tyson Chandler at the 5 any day of the week. And Lin is providing the leadership that RayRay was and more.
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Comeon now-you guys said Knicks would do great this season and that Gallo,Felton, Mozgov,Chandler, & Lee were all replaceable pieces. The only replaceable pieces I see are Amare & Melo. And Amare’s brother was a saint-I think he was only arrested 22 times.
Haters gone hate huh frankie?
Chill out, go get you some pussy, it does wonders.
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by wilddre22 on Feb 15, 2012 7:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
FrankieC
Stow it away pal. You get over the top offensive dude. It does not matter how many times the guy was arrested that is still his brother. Really stop hiding behind the internet, for all I know you are writing your comments from prison and you Know about Amare’s brothers arrest record because you used to be his cell mate. Really, Pal instead of inviting Jason to a beer I should have invited you. You Like David Lee fine, think he is a better player than Amare, that is crazy, but you are entitled to your opinion. But seriously pal lay off of the trashing the dead stuff, because frankly it is classless.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, he got banned from the Ranger blog for similar comments in the wake of the Boogard tragedy
so color me unsurprised
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I like this team
more than that team. I thought it was a longshot that it would ever happen. I miss Gallo and Wil, but this team is excellent and pretty frickin’ strong at every position. Our defensive culture is back and the team is still full of team-first guys.
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I'm enjoying this win
because it looks like the Knicks had no business winning this one at all (I missed the first 2 1/2 quarters).
I’m still worried about Lin’s ball handling (8 TO’s tonight is way too high & his season asst/TO ratio is dangerously close to 1:1)but if he can keep up the heroics I’ll be happy to ignore the fact that he makes some awful decisions at times. He seems like he doesn’t think pass when he gets into the lane even when the defense has completely collapsed on him, which worries me. Anyone that compares current Lin (he can improve his decision making, I think) & Steve Nash should be immediately shot.
Also, Shump owns. His D on Calderon in the 4th was great & that late steal & dunk made me squeal like a baby.
Nice win against what should have been an easy game, but if this was a game pre-Lin we probably would have lost. I’m going to sleep with a big grin tonight.
by DontShootToneyNOOO on Feb 15, 2012 12:13 AM EST reply actions
A lot of his Turnover's were him charging into contact expecting to draw a foul
his ball handling is fine, his decision making is quick, sometimes he does pull the trigger too quickly (or too slowly)
He’ll learn, I think.
I think no one’s saying Lin is anywhere near as good as Nash, just that his court vision at times can remind them of Nash. I think it’s viable
In a way, he's better than Nash...
He aggressively attacks the paint for layups. In doing so he wrecks defenses. He not only creates a switch off the PnR (or least repositioning), but he also pressures other defenders to leave their man to help out.
Nash isnt as aggressive. He might have better timing at the moment when it comes to hitting the roll man, but I think Lin will improve in that department. Nash doesn’t consistently pressure the entire defense as much as Lin, imo. And Lin is a better defender.
Nash may have been this good for longer, but I think its tough to say that he’s definitivey better than Lin.
he's still better passer than Lin
I think one of the best pure passers the league has ever seen
But Lin’s offense makes him more versatile, as well as his size and underrated strength- Lin is much stronger than he looks.
We’ll see. I cant say Lin is better than Nash because it’s still a tiny sample size compared to a 2 time MVP that’s led the league in assists many years
It's more appropriate to compare the two at the same point in their careers
Nash didn’t have a breakout season until 2000-01, his fifth year in the league, when he averaged 15.6 points and 7.3 assists per game. Lin is younger, at an earlier point in his career, and putting up better numbers than Nash did when he broke out.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 15, 2012 6:14 AM EST up reply actions
Nash was stuck sitting behind Kevin Johnson & Jason Kidd, so it's not like he was a slow developer.
It’s only my opinion but I really believe that we would’ve seen Nash breakout much earlier in his career if he didn’t have such good PG in front of him. My memory is fuzzy but I believe Nash had to leave the team via FA to finally get starter minutes.
You are correct, Nash broke out when he went to Dallas
Still, Lin is on track to average better than 15 and 7. Here’s the wikipedia link to nash’s $’s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Nash#Player_profile
Here’s Stocktons #‘s as well, he actually puts up (much) better assist #’s but fewer points when he finally got starters minutes in 87-88. though the fg% is amazing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stockton#Player_profile
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 15, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
lin is looking like a very nice decision maker in the pick and roll
reminds me a lot like nash in that way (not as good as nash, but good) . . . compare him to felton what a world of a difference. felton was not good at looking for anyone other than himself and stoudemire and often dumped it off to stoudemire so stoudemire could take a tough look
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Lin is still learning
Some of those turnovers are just mistakes, bad passes when he’s a bit out of control. He’ll learn how to avoid that. He’ll probably still be a relatively high TO guy, but I can stomach 4-5 if he continues running the offense like this. 8 is just too high.
it is kind of blasphemous, but I agree that lin is probably better at driving off the pick and roll than nash
so are tony parker and chris paul, so it’s not like nash is the GOAT at this . . . but lin is very, very impressive. nash is a great shooter off the pick and roll though and a pristine decision maker and no slouch at getting into the paint which is why he is best pnr pg possibly of all time, but lin probably has him beat at that facet.
it’s funny because after watching lin play in garbage time i think against the kings i said he was garbage at using screens, but now i think he has a case for best in the league . . . crazy as that sounds . . .
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Nash is definitely better but that's not a knock on Lin.
When Linmania started, it was Lin surrounded by some average players (except for Chandler who I think is All-Star good). Nash has been doing that for entire seasons & always has his teams humming offensively no matter who he’s surrounded with.
Nash isn’t so aggressive when it comes to driving and you’re making the assumption that he’s just not so good at it. The reason Nash isn’t as aggressive as Lin when driving is because he’s insanely accurate from the perimeter. If Lin had Nash’s shooting touch, there’s no way we’d see Lin driving as much. Nash does indeed put tremendous pressure on the D, there’s just no way he can rack up so many assists with so many average players unless he was drawing attention to himself.
At the same time, Lin is still young and we don’t know where his ceiling is. Most important thing about Lin imho is that he’s got amazing court vision (which is on the elite level). Lin just needs to tighten up his game (and I do think it’s possible for him to pull it off) to be compared to the Nash/Paul.
Guys
Lin has an ice-cold assassin’s mentality in the end of games. Yes, he can play point guard, but that’s what is really impressive to me. I’m not sure how he compares to Nash in that regard, but I think that’s what wins playoff games and series’. So whatevs about those other guys – LIN IS A KNICK! F’yeah.
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I was hoping you were gonna say "defense" when saying "In a way he's better than Nash"
Cus that’s about the only thing Lin has on Nash.
Not that I wish to compare the two. That’s a bit unfair to both guys. I DO see the similarities on the court in terms of courtvision and ball control though. Both do a great job holding their dribble and creating off pick n’ rolls.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 15, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
If I was just looking at stats, I’d be alarmed by the high turnover rate. On the other hand the Knicks ended up with 16 turnovers and 8 steals total – not a great number but not completely awful. The thing is, without Lin running the show, the other guys are more likely to have turnovers – for instance, Amar’e and anyone else stuck with the ball out at the perimeter with the defense on top of them and no idea what to do.
I think that turnovers are a natural part of gelling as a team and hopefully those will come down as time goes on, but I wouldn’t want Lin to curtail his aggressiveness for the sake of cutting down turnovers. I don’t think D’antoni is particularly worried about it.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
MDA doesn't LOOK worried, at least
I like that he’s letting the kid grow, I like even more than Lin is up to the challenge.
by superturboultra on Feb 15, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
At least add another 'D' at the end
nobody will notice the DON’T DO
If Wilson is still his avatar, I wouldn't hold your breath.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Toney Douglas is this site's role model.
Although Clyde may be Walt Cleaver, but Toney is certainly Wally.
Balkman is Eddie Haskell.
He uses the seventh person
when he helps an elderly woman, an injured baby, a disabled man, a small child, a veteran and a blind teenager cross a river by using the seventh person, a bank robber, as a human bridge.
and remember what he did on his birthday?!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Every year, you can set your watch by all the pure water he delivers to third-world countries.
And all the pirates he talks into going home and talking to their mothers about decision-making with an open mind. And all the pickles he prevented from ruin when he changed the bulb in a lighthouse so a pickle ship wouldn’t wreck and capsize. And all the batteries he changes in smoke detectors throughout his community every year.
I’d be honored to do what Toney Douglas do.
on a side note
in that jeremy-lin-should-wear-leather-pants-and-show-for-practice-with-a-lit-cigar interview, metta world peace refers both to himself AND ron artest in the third person as two different people! queensbridge innovation at its finest.
by old 34 on Feb 15, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not Fair in this case. Peace/Artest may really
believe they are different people.
by Robert Curre on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
If this Linsanity helps TWC get MSG back
Lin is the greatest individual to walk the Earth
Lindividual.
Kings Fan Here
Cant wait for tomorrows game! Here’s a short scouting report:
- The Kings interior D is simply horrendous. Lin should have a strong game scoring in the paint and drawing fouls.
- Kings pick and roll defense is also pretty weak. The perimeter defense is weak in general with the exception being Tyreke (when he wants to) and surprisingly John Salmons.
- Look for Tyreke to be put on Lin. Tyreke has some sneaky moves when it comes to defense so Lin needs to watch out.
- Cousins and Tyreke Evans are really the only two big consistent offensive producers on this team. If one of them gets shut down the Kings will most likely not be able to muster enough offense. Cousins is a monster inside. But I think Chandler should be able to contain him.
- Jimmer Fredette. Don’t worry about him. His defense is quite possibly the worst in the league. If they put him on Lin, watch out. His passing has however been improving and that may catch the Knicks by surprise.
- Isaiah Thomas. This is the Kings X-factor. The kid has been playing great at times. He’s a little tenacious defender and I can see the Kings putting him on Lin as well.
Honestly I dont see how the Kings can win this game. Lin should have a very strong game.
by Makdeeznut on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
You guys
Have been playing well in the last what…6 games? werent you guys like 3-5 before that okc upset? and the way yall almost beat chicago in chicago tonight? We wont overlook this one.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Yeah we've been playing a lot better lately.
The Kings definitely shouldn’t be overlooked. They play very hard for the most part and they do not quit. But they just dont have the talent and depth right now. The Knicks should not lose to this team imo.
i've heard that logic before
its the woooorrrst!
anytime the knicks should win, they lose by 20
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hey thanks for stopping by with the great report!
All you did was get me incredibly excited about the game! But honestly, you never know, Kings have been playing well lately don’t sell your team short.
That being said MSG has new life, and with the streak we’re on… All smiles on my end!
I have no doubt Isaiah the jr. will have a huge game
That’s just the way things work with us. anyone who is potentially explosive drops the potentially when they play us.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
How's your arena situation?
You guys deserve to stay where you are.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the support
the deadline is sometime in march so it is close, although the deadline is apparently not a hard deadline. people around here seem to be optimistic that something will get done. they are working hard at it every day. there’s some local politicians that are campaigning hard against it though. but i think they will stay (fingers crossed)!
Ah
I’m an Islander fan, and they’re in almost an identical situation, except their deadline is in 2015. I have a feeling both with result in 11th hour deals.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Sacramento has a great fanbase.
Too bad the Kings product has been better as of late, I don’t want them to move.
What does you think about Smart?
Don’t watch the Kings consistently but I do recognize their talent. Really like Cousins and kinda like Tyreke. Are they improving under Smart & is the team looking better or is it still too early to tell?
The Chuck wagon!
I hope he gets to the line a lot tomorrow. I giggle whenever I see him shooting free throws. Please tell me he still shoots like that.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
there's this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6f5Uyu6Dv4&feature=related
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Wow
Amar’e looks so different now.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. That almost goes without saying at this point.
He murders Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Dwight Howard, you name it. Chuck Hayes is the ultimate pick-up basketball player.
chuck hayes will make amar'e's life very difficult
no elbow isolations for you, mr. stoudemire . . .
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i hate elbow isolations
what a horrible thing
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Oh you know who kills us from what I remember?
Donte Greene! Does he still burn, or did they shut him down for only being good against the Knicks?
Yeah, I'd predict freak 3-point shooting from Greene
to accompany between 5-7 offensive rebounds for Hickson.
Against Shump?
Nah. But someone will have a great game. I eagerly anticipate the “Player most likely to have a career game” tracker tomorrow.
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by Chairman Meow on Feb 15, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
for real. i was listening to this game on the radio and reading the game thread for backdrop
you could see the complete wave of emotion per quarter just reading everyone’s post. people get down on this team way too quickly. only in NY…
by 9th Wonder Buckshot on Feb 15, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
I can tell you
…it happens everywhere like that.
I still think the Knicks will probably win.
At home among all this Jeremy Lin insanity, this will be one of the more anticipated games in recent memory, and the crowd should be insane. I’m just saying, expect production from where you may not necessarily get it very often.
"Isaiah Thomas. This is the Kings X-factor"
Are he and Dolan planning to move Lin and Stat for someone?
Joking aside, great post. Most of my sbnation experience has been with the NFL but I am always amazed at how cool fans of other NBA teams are about discussing the sport. Rec.
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Keith Smart
you guys got Keith Smart, he might just trade for Acie Law and stop the Linsanity like the way he stopped Lin in the Warriors practice last year. JK I’m Warriors fan and I’m still mad we play Acie Law over him
by Lawrence9ers on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Isaiah Thomas
Is, I think, one of those guys who, since he’s the 60th pick, is on the bench, but I think he’s the best point guard they have.
I actually have a theory that there are hidden point guards languishing all over the league, and I think Thomas is one of them. He’s Nate Robinson sized, but his point-guardyness is eight times the size of Nate’s.
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Ten times the size of Tyreke Evans
“Let’s get five SG’s and play them all at once!”
He’s good though.
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To add a couple things:
- The Kings dont do anything exceptionally well with one exception: offensive rebounding. This team is very strong on the offensive glass. As a result they do give up more fastbreak opportunities than most teams however.
- The kings will try to run at all opportunities and are fairly good at it. Where they bog down is in their half court sets often times settling for outside jump shots and 3 pointers. You’ll see a lot of one on one and then if that doesn’t work, a kick out for a shot.
- Cant wait for this game! My heart will be torn!
Sounds like you guys need a point guard
Your description of the Kings’ half-court offense sounds a lot like our offense pre-Lin/
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by Charles L on Feb 15, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thats an advantage we could use
and i will take
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Lin hits game-winner!
Lin proves will to win, Knicks win sixth straight: http://wp.me/p22L0a-sd
by the_windy_apple on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 AM EST reply actions
"Confucius say: Man who shares wisdom will Lin, Lin, Lin."
;-) It’s not mine but wow I had to post that.
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by $100M Contract on Feb 15, 2012 12:54 AM EST reply actions
I dunno
Could be viewed as an interpretation of Sun Tzu’s maxim about making the enemy think you can’t ball, or something…
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
when this game finished
and my brother and I finished jumping up and down someone asked if it was a bad sign that we were pumped about a win over the raptors. I said no, we’re pumped about the progress and the trajectory. Can’t wait to smoke .500
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by Monsieur Bobo on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Just psyched the Knicks have a floor general with balls that gives us a good chance to win a close game at the end.
Hoping for the chemistry to improve and for the Knicks to get rolling a little better and cruise out to a big lead one of these games.
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I wish
He’d pass the ball a bit more. I know he’s still learning and all that, but playing the hero every night isn’t a good thing. Those drives to the basket are amazing, but how about a higher percentage shot, eh Lin?
All in all great game though, amazing win, and yes, we wouldn’t win these past two games a couple of weeks ago.
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in the early going
he was force-feeding amar’e and it made a little sense, but the timing was no good.
but they didn’t practice together. so once he’s finding amar’e, rather than looking for him… thats that.
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sure, can you please point to somebody with a higher % shot?
would you like jefferies to get more 3 point attempts? ;3
Waaaah You didn't win it good enough for me, Jeremy! Win it better!
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Calm down dude
Saying anything even resembling negativity is bad now? I’m critiquing his game, because in the long run, it could be something that defenses exploit.
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Playing hero or just taking what the defense is giving up?
Lin doesn’t take shots early in the shot clock & it’s pretty rare for him to bring the ball down & shoot without another Knick touching the ball also. When he drives to the basket, he usually has a clear path & isn’t trying to take on multiple defenders by himself.
Don’t view Lin as trying to play the hero myself. His game can definitely use some refinement but this guy has about 1 week of NBA starting experience. In fact, I think he was going overboard by removing himself from the offense & forcing it on Amare @ beginning of the game.
Lin is young & Amare just came back. I’m sure they’ll click soon.
his shot over calderon was high-iq, low-risk, and high-reward
all the space his defender gave him. clock winding down with a tie-game? worse case scenario you extend it into overtime. shump and chandler already managed to stop the bleeding at that point. this kid’s got brass balls.
totally
and furthermore, the guy just came off converting a traditional three point play, and in general had the hot hand in the fourth.
it was his game to decide. if he was cold and feeling iffy in the waning moments, i’m sure he would have taken the screen from chandler.
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look at westbrook and durant, TO city
but yet they get no flak for their constant TO
Westbrook's and Wall's Assist to turnover ratios are horrific, especially the former's. How ironic that Lin is now being held to a higher standard by the media which is byproduct of the media's own hype. Its a cesspool.
Plus, its an overrated stat: not every turnover leads to a score but every assist equals 2 or 3 points.
Bottom line, once Lin becomes more comfortable with Melo and Amare and his minutes go down, and once he further develops his ballhandling and passing skills this de facto rookie will have a great assist to turnover ratio.
by bababooey2 on Feb 15, 2012 7:43 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Add in the fact as mentioned...
that he ALWAYS has the ball in his hands to create something. I think our TEAM Turnovers are the key stat to watch. If he wasn’t out there, other guys would have as many or more turnovers without the upside.
Plus… playing 44 minutes (court time + fatigue) can elevate the number as well.
As long as he is dropping 25+ points and dishing out 10+ assists each night...
and coming through big time at the end of games, I can’t see how you would be upset too much about the TO’s, but it is the one thing that has been consistently negative for this small sample size and could get him in trouble if he struggles and in this league, everyone is bound to struggle at some point.
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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
it's the aggressiveness
he’s a high risk PG who takes it to the paint. the fact is, he’s going to have above average turnovers.
anyway, other good PGs have high TO rates too.
he does have a few dumb TOs, but that should go away with experience
it's not that.
He didn’t adapt fast enough to the new collapsing cover they had on him. Look at the video. They funneled him into a path and when he stops dribbling they converge.
Lin’s offense/pass timing was getting read easily too.
this is why you need a backup PG so you can take Lin out and let him watch the game outside.
As a 23 year old...
and a Harvard graduate, he’ll watch tape and learn all of that… just as he’s learning on the court. I know you’re talking ingame adjustments, but it DOES seem like he’s making certain adjustments as the game moves along.
As he continues to play and is able to watch tape… he’ll only get smarter about what defenses might throw at him. Because of the number of games in this compressed season, guys probably don’t have nearly as much time to watch tape… imagine the progress and growth if he was allowed that study time.
the TOs are fine
he should work on reducing them a little bit but they are a byproduct of the style . . . nash gets a ton of turnovers. it’s okay because we play real pick and ROLL basketball which creates very efficient looks for the big man. plus we are a fast team, not slow, grind it out. protecting the ball is not quite as important for us except at the end of games.
Anxiously awaiting the day my username will be appropriate
I think after another twenty games, we will all know the answer to that one for the most part. The way things are going...
it is looking more and more by the end of that time frame it will be truth.
"Booze takes a lot of time and effort if you're going to do a good job with it."
― Raymond Carver, Where I'm Calling From: New and Selected Stories
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Best 4th qtr video
….where u can see Lin talking to MDA and MDA’s reaction prior to final 3.
by JR99 on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure how many people here gets this, but here is my analysis of the last shot
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
really? That was a horrible anime
at least put in the falcon punch explosion after the ball falls into the hoop
the unedited gif for those that just want to enjoy the swag
The artful muppet formerly known as KrmtDfrog.
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by Cory Braiterman on Feb 15, 2012 3:07 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
shoots with some spin?
although we don’t have a straight shot?
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 15, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
i enjoy the swag
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 15, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't seen the game yet
Counting down the hours until i finish work so I can go homne and watch, but in that photo, Landry looks slightly envious that Lin is celebrating with Tyson and not him.
I guess he now knows how Andy Rautins feels whenever he sees the handshake.
Also, the photo of Lin and Jeffries embracing just makes me happy
Keep Rol-Lin Knickerbockers
Jeremy Lin
161 points in these 6 games, 51 assists which have accounted for 118 points due to 3 point plays (including and ones he’s set up). The Knicks have scored 587 points this stretch, with Jeremy Lin contributing towards 279 of that total, and that’s before taking free throws he’s helping his teammates get because are out of position and hack.
by Not a Gunslinger on Feb 15, 2012 5:20 AM EST reply actions
Never cried from a sports even..
That being said, Jeremy Lin could be the inspiration, if this continues. I teared up on the way to work today listening to the radio as they replayed Breen’s call of the 3 to win. This just gets more and more improbable every day.
Oh man.
We have another one. Lol. Last night didn’t bring me to tear up but I completely understand. Haha, welcome to the never ending struggle that is being a New York sports fan!
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 15, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
with the way the knicks are playing there's a chance for my lovable losers in flushing!
though i highly doubt it.
Only if Lin suits up
Pitches the top of the ninth, then comes up and gets the winning hit in the bottom of the inning for the win.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I did last night.
Not when it happened, but afterwards when I was texting it to my younger brother who wasn’t able to watch. As I recreated it in my mind the impossibility of what I’d just seen overwhelmed me.
I'm starting to think
That Jared Jefferies and Bill Walker are Bizarro anti-twins of one another. They’re polar opposites. When it comes to talent and just natural basketball ability, nobody does more with less than JJ; nobody does less with more than Walker. Thoughts?
is it bad
that I almost wish I would’ve just taken a rain check on VaLINtines day just so I could’ve watched this?
It depends, is there any chance your significant other will read this post?
If so: yes! Shame on you! He/She deserves better than that!
If not: FUCK no. If anything, Bitch/ManBitch owes you an apology for making you miss it. That’s not love.
by nocookiesforme on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
My GF is in Virginia so we were just on Skype
Which allowed me to have the game on in the background, which was… convenient.
now the dude's showing balls?
fuckin storm’s brewin
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'm depressed
My Time Warner cable bill will soon be higher than Renaldo Balkman and DoLIN will be cackling all the way to the bank.
by Jeremy's Harvard Professor on Feb 15, 2012 8:48 AM EST reply actions
Have we made fun of Novak yet
for awkwardly humping Lin after his game-winning 3?
Watching Lin reminds me of watching the Matrix
He’s the One. I believe now.
Here's the kiss
I remember someone wanted a gif of it so I made one
by IllPHIl on Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i find this funny
cause seth was jokin bout kissing lin yesterday.
I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."
by gbaked on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
are we sure it was Landry’s couch that Jeremy slept on?
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by rxmeister on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not that there's anything wrong with that
But I think Lin is in his own category of sexual orientation: Lintersexual?
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Dear Jeremy
We Choo Choo Choose you.
Love,
P&T (and Landry)
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Shump & Lin = Earl & Clyde
The couch = Clyde Benz
by I know smart people on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions
I mean Clyde's Rolls
sorry car issues today
by I know smart people on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I don't have anything to add....
That was just ridiculous! Absolutely Insane! Unbelievable!
Anybody see Al Trautwig’s intro to the Post Game? That kinda sums it up. It was awesome btw.
So according to the First Take substitute debaters (Skip's on vacay)...
….Jeremy is not a long term solution. Are we the only ones that see this kid with upside? He’s 23, can ball, and has played a GRAND TOTAL of 6 full games and plays very well. I’m not saying he’s the best PG in the L, but I think we potentially have our PG of the future. Maybe I’m a huge homer but, are these dudes blind. I love how people who look like they’ve never balled a day in their lives can call Lin a bust waiting to happen.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions
The guy's got something that doesn't go away
He’s simply in command down the stretch, and he’s fearless. He’s not a selfish guy, all about the team. He has everything in his demeanor that Marbury didn’t have. His skills seem to be good enough to avoid rampant exploitation by other teams’ defenses. He doesn’t mope or take possessions off on defense.
I mean, the team needs to get better and shit needs to be refined. But if finding someone better than Lin is anywhere near the top of one’s list, that’s idiotic.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Seriously, this kid could potentially be the best PG we've had in well over a decade.
One last thing though WHY OH WHY is he being compared to Tim Tebow?!?!? It’s like comparing DRose to Marshawn Lynch because they both like skittles.
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 15, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Because the media is stupider than average
And the guy is famous and thanks God, so they must be the same.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
He's not going to be an MVP candidate forever
but he can sustain 14 and 7. As long as he gets the TOs down to about 4 per game, that’s a long term solution at point, easy.
I’m loving this team right now…
Lin’s play and killer instinct at the end of games is refreshing….Tyson’s been a rock all year….Iman and Jeffries D…the team defense being played now…got a shooter in Novak…Landry being Landry. Once Amare gets his legs back and Melo comes back, this team will be a force to be reckoned with. I loved Lin waiving off Chandler screen at the end like "I got this"….I replayed that a few times last night.
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
I know
The ice-cold swagger is shockingly awesome. And the rest of the team is just full of good guys with talent. This team loves playing together and they believe in each other.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
these thoughts, to me, open a debate
about how effective the coaching is.
in my opinion, a coach that can get the team to believe in eachother is always a good coach. if he can get them to play together, he’s got the chops to take them all the way.
the team, as constructed, has what it takes to get critical stops and critical baskets. furthermore, the camaraderie is palpable. and its not just the subs, or just the starters, its the whole team, and all the coaches. everyone likes the culture of the team. and they keep their emotions in check. didn’t get too down during the beginning of the year, and haven’t gotten too far ahead of ourselves in the past 6 games.
this is a nice little community, would be a shame to break it up, because someone is underperforming or someone else is a perceived detriment. you gotta see everything that this team is about before rushing to judgement.
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Remember the pre-Melo Knicks?
That team was absolutely in love with each other. I wasn’t big on MDA for a while but if we judge him by the medium you speak of, he’s a damn good coach. Personally, I think he’s a fine coach but I wish he’d have been more defense oriented so people wouldn’t jump on his back so much. If the Knicks keep winning and playing D (Thanks Woodson) we’ll see plenty more of MDA in the future, and thats not a bad thing. :-)
In Donnie we trust.
by $100M Contract on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Regarding the defense oriented thing
He always gets blamed for the Suns perceived lack of D, yet Nash always gets a pass. I’ve never understood that. He’s talked about defense here from day 1 and we’ve seen a lot of good D being played.
The thing about D’antoni, to me, is that he is a good coach if his team has a good floor leader and motivated, team-oriented players, because he has a light touch and won’t get in their way. Now, Phil Jackson has won multiple championships without a top level point guard, and Scott Skiles always gets his teams to overacheive for a couple of years. But lots of coaches, when given a good team, fuck it up because they try to impose their personality on the team (Terry Porter post D’antoni, for example). D’antoni lets them figure it out, gives them latitude and doesn’t micromanage. It can look very bad, but it can look very good with the right bunch of guys.
And we have a very good bunch of guys right now.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
I'm kinda scared to really think this Knicks team can make a run this year.
Feels too early to think about how far into the playoffs they can go.
But on the other hand, the only teams which moderately impresses me is Chicago and Miami. People have tons to say about them, but here the Bulls are winning without Derrick Rose and they do play some serious defense. And for all the hate dude gets, Derrick Rose is STILL a fantastic ballplayer. Miami… well, I hate the bastards, but they are blowing teams out when they win. Hard to deny their talent even if they DO have holes.
But all of that is simply to say the East is very much wide open and while it isn’t always smooth, the Knicks are now winning games even when they aren’t playing well and despite injuries to significant pieces. They are winning and larning on the fly. That is the mark of a very good team.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
well... i said could have the chops to take them all the way
but, that is not a one year process. and i don’t look at it that way.
but this will be the first year where the team will be in tact past the trading deadline. no matter what frankiec says, or dzidzic, or the slew of looneys parading in here talking about trade everybody and fire everybody.
and my point is really, lets see if d’antoni can get this team to really show something special. if they can show us that they stand a chance of beating some of the other top teams in critical moments- how can the conversation stay on this inane perception that he doesn’t preach defense?
and how can a championship be a one year turn around. why is everyone so sure that the first attempt is the best shot to pay dividends?
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Miami routinely
Blows teams out of the water, and piles on. But it’s still only one W. When the game is close in the 4th quarter, they’re not as tough to beat as they should be, because I don’t think they have a clear leader out there. By contrast, I think the Knicks now do.
But no doubt they are a tough team, as are the Bulls. Theoretically, though, if the Knicks play defense as they have been, and they can learn to integrate both Amar’e and Carmelo into the offense and Lin gets them all buckets, I do like the Knicks’ chances. Especially if Baron Davis comes back and can spell Lin. There’s a lot of ifs there but I am excited to see this team in the playoffs.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
watching from south korea...
I scared my coworkers with my screaming watching the game yesterday. Looking forward to tomorrow’s game.
Good news: right when I get to work the game will tip off
Bad news: I’m not getting any work done before lunch
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