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Carmelo Anthony's return thickens this week's plot.

Monday, February 20th -- VS New Jersey

Wednesday, February 22nd -- VS Atlanta

Thursday, February 23rd -- @ Miami

Glancing at the Knicks' shiny new record of 16-16 after yesterday's preposterous and perhaps most impressive Lin-era victory against the heavyweight champions of the world, two things become clear. The Knicks have three games left until the all-star break; also, the Knicks would like to have a record above .500 heading into the break. In order to accomplish this task, the Bockers will have a gimme-game in the Garden against the Nets, who somehow just beat Chicago, followed by two not-so-gimmes: Atlanta in the Garden followed by Mario Chalmers and the Heat down in Miami. No game of the three can be considered an automatic win (Nets) or automatic loss (Heat), particularly considering the circumstances and outcomes of the Knicks previous two contests, but with the team's leading scorer and most highly used player, Carmelo Anthony, set to return this week, it sure would be nice to win somewhere between 66 and 100% of these last three pre-break tilts, huh?

Let's check out some storylines in greater detail and try to assess this week's platter.

Star-divide

Tonight's game against the Nets could tell us more about the Knicks than any other game this season.

First of all, Carmelo Anthony's return has been the "1h" to Jeremy Lin's "1a,b,c,d,e,f,g" in the eye of sports media coverage since virtually the beginning of the month. He's never made a successful bounce pass in his life, how is he going to be able to play with Oscar "Magic" Stockt-Lin? He needs the ball in his hands to operate, how will he find any measure of success with someone else who requires the same thing? Furthermore, how does he hold a basketball in his hands and drive a car at the same time? Actually, shit, how does he even clap his hands? Carmelo Anthony's relative success in Denver playing with Chauncey Billups and his seamless inclusion in the 2008 Olympic Team, one known for its stellar passing and team play, represent one possibility. The other is represented by his inability to advance beyond the first round of the playoffs save for 2008-09, as well as his isolation offensive preferences, which has been a major reason he has hovered around a 1:1 assist/turnover ratio his entire career. The discrepancy between perceived individual talent and historical team success may be widest for LeBron James, but Carmelo Anthony is certainly in the running for second place. It is this discrepancy that has caused such an incredible rift between those who think Anthony will be an offensive automaton and all-around talent yin to Bill Walker's non-talent yang, and those who think his attempted reintegration is akin to featuring Josh Groban on a Limp Bizkit song. Separately they're both all-world talents, but combined the mojo may not be right. Again, that's according to the naysayers. I'm off track.

On this subject I'll offer a word of advice similar to last week's to Knicks fans: Do not start assessing this team's chemistry until after the All-Star break. JR Smith's mercenary services and Carmelo Anthony's reintroduction are linked in that they will take longer than one or two games. It does not make sense for Mike D'Antoni to push Baron Davis to play prior to the break, as the league-wide respite provides a useful grace period for his convalescence, so assessing this roster as playoff-ready after three wins, or conversely declaring the formula inherently broken after three losses would be equally futile, premature and, in New York, highly likely. As with Stoudemire's comeback exactly a week ago, this one should be taken with a grain of salt until a good chunk of spin has been spun, and that will not happen until after Jeremy Lin's private and social lives have been dissected with a camera and a microphone during the all-star break.

Carmelo Anthony is not the only thing thickening this week's plot, though. For example:

  • Tyson Chandler got pretty banged up yesterday battling against his Dallas buddies. His wrists were L-, O-, and X-rayed, all of which came up negative, but I suppose this is something to monitor. Chandler has, all things considered, been the most valuable member of the Knicks so far this season, and although my faith in him to play through pain and injuries is strong enough, perhaps some lingering pain could cause reticence in regard to basket-area activity. Against penetrating guards like Deron Williams, MarShon Brooks and, later this week, Jeff Teague and Dwyane Wade, the Knicks could use as much help protecting the paint as they can get.
  • Look for Iman Shumpert's three point attempts to decline. Shumpert is shooting 6-27 from beyond the arc this month, but it may have been by design. Even after he regresses, Jeremy Lin is turning out to be a better shooter than he was originally reported to be. However, after Steve Novak and Lin, no one has been able to stretch the floor with any (I repeat: any) effectiveness in the last several weeks. Landry Fields has not hit more than one triple in a game since three Thursdays ago, Bill Walker is shooting a sizzling 10-40 from three in February, and Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby seem to have killed each other prior to the season. As a result, I wouldn't be surprised if either Mike D'Antoni has been telling Shumpert to keep shooting in a desperate attempt to spread the floor (almost certainly not the case), or if Shumpert has been taking so many threes because no one else seems to be hitting any and that's just the way he thinks (probably the case). Either way, as a by-product of Anthony's return and JR Smith's rotation integration I would bet Shumpert's attempts are about to trend downward (not just because he may receive fewer minutes).
  • I can't think of an instance of an opposing point guard having more reasons to torch Jeremy Lin than Deron Williams has for tonight. Lin got the better of Williams in their last meeting, the faithful game during which Lin was essentially "outed" as a good basketball player, Deron Williams is the best offensive player on a team sorely lacking scoring options, even with Brook Lopez, and Lin just played all but two minutes yesterday against a defense who trapped him for all 46 minutes he was on the court. On the other hand, the Nets are a terrible team, they'll be in Madison Square Garden for presumably the final time as a New Jersey basketball organization rather than a New York one, and they'll be on the third game of a back-to-back-to-back. I think this creates an interesting dynamic, and I'm excited to see how Williams approaches the game. In general, I think it will be interesting to see if Brook Lopez's return and their win over Chicago could energize the Nets.
  • Oh yeah, I guess the Knicks do play the Heat this week. This is the last game the Knicks will play before all-star weekend, which will be held only about a couple hundred miles away, and it is a nationally televised game. So, in addition to seeing an uptick in pomp as well as celebrity attendance, this is a game that could mean further monopolization of the airwaves for the Knicks. Regardless of the outcomes of the New Jersey and Atlanta games, a victory in Miami followed by a week off could produce a near-illegal amount of Knicks attention.
  • Steve Novak and J.R. Smith will probably get regular burn this week, and without a sense of familiarity, three-pointers could play a heavier-than-usual role in the Knicks' game plan, if that's even possible.
  • The Hawks will complete a semi-brutal five game road trip in Madison Square Garden on Wednesday (four of the five games: @LAL, @POR, @CHI, @NYK). This is probably the most important game of the week for several reasons. First of all, the Hawks will probably fall somewhere in the middle of Eastern Conference playoff race when it's all said and done, so any game against them represents not only the opportunity to pick up a game, it is also a good chance to deal a loss to a team much more likely to chicken-dance with the Knicks for a playoff spot than either New Jersey or Miami.
  • Last night, Ersan Ilyasova put up 29 and 25, including 13 offensive rebounds against the Nets, and it's probable he would have had more if he didn't foul out. Amar'e Stoudemire, please pick up the blue courtesy phone.
That about covers the week. It looks like the Knicks face an uphill climb starting tonight, or at least that's what the oppositions' records show. Let's hope Carmelo Anthony can make a return, and a glorious one at that.

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

Damn

A lot of people are underestimating the gaping holes we’ve had in this line-up, which leads to underestimating what exactly Lin has done in these past few games. Amar’e hasn’t been playing well (although he did have a 20/10 game against he Hornets, which I guess counts for something), and our main offensive contributors during Linsanity, aside from Lin and a grieving Amar’e, are Landry, Shumpert, Bill Walker (who Hubie Brown called “very important” during the Knicks’ resurgence) and Steve Novak. Walker and Novak probably don’t crack the rotation for most NBA teams (I’m saying before Novak’s started to beast it from the 3 point line. Now he’s getting called the god of 3 point shooting by some). Landry and Shumpert have wildly inconsistent offensive games. And yet, this team has managed to pull out a 7 game win streak.

Now we have J.R Smith, who looked absolutely great yesterday, along with Carmelo Anthony joining the team. Carmelo Fucking Anthony, the best offensive player in the NBA. The dude that was supposed to drag this team to the 2nd round this season.

Look at yesterday’s game. This team looked filthy on offense, and that was with a distracted or injured or not-in-shape Amar’e on the floor and a Carmelo that was wearing a suit. Baron Davis will come back, which means we’ll have a floor leader on the floor for almost the whole game, without burning out Jeremy. This team, especially if Amar’e start clicking, will be sick. Impossible to stop on offense and top 10 defensively. I am incredibly excited right now.

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

All of this I love

Lin had a very good defensive unit collapsing and focused on him leaving shooters wide open for 3’s. J.R. Smith and Melo don’t have to do anything but get to spots on the floor they like to shoot from and wait for the pass and shoot it if they are open or pass it if they aren’t. It’s simple basketball really. Mike D’antoni knows what he’s doing offensively, I just want the defense to maintain the new level of intensity.

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by Major on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, Jeremy Lin

all grew up in the bay area. coincidence? or maybe there’s just something in the gatorade up in NorCal.

by renovator on Feb 20, 2012 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

Nash is also from that area also.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/sports/basketball/in-defeat-mavericks-praise-knicks-lin.html

“Kidd is from Oakland, Calif. Steve Nash played at Santa Clara. Lin is from Palo Alto, Calif. Perhaps there is something in Northern California that helps point guards become great.”

by srsrs on Feb 20, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Sort of

Nash played college ball there.

by Doug Chu on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Nash grew up in Canada

He played college ball in Northern Cali.

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nets are coming in @ the perfect time.

So much better to start working Carmelo in against a team like the Nets instead of Mavs or Heat. I’m sure that Lin & Carmelo will make some mistakes and turnovers feeling each other out but it shouldn’t be enough for this game to be out of reach.

Nets must be so pissed right now. They were there to help Knicks realize Lin. Then they’re there to help the Knicks work in Carmelo. Kinda like some practice team the Knicks use to tune themselves up.

by srsrs on Feb 20, 2012 8:59 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

speaking to court stretching

when Novak and JR Smith are on the court, that’s some fuggin court stretching range right there. In fact if Shumpert wasn’t a rookie and say, one of these dudes off the scrap heap like Billy Walker, I’d say we should never see him again cuz Smith is such a good fit at that 2 guard.

I dunno how bad Chandler is feeling, but I think he should sit this one out.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

sometimes..(from my experience) playing another game after being sore is the best way to beat the soreness quicker. and with a day off after tonight’s game. I’d play him. I’m not sure if Lopez will play but going into match ups with atl and mia 1game under 500 is potentially bad news. winning tonight is important imo

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by semsemma on Feb 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Just for gigglesies

Fwiw I reckon we’ll lose to the Nyets, tie with Hawks (OT win) and beat the Heat. I may indeed go find a bookie and see what that makes me!

by london_balling on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

On Carmelo = "Selfish"

“He’s never made a successful bounce pass in his life, how is he going to be able to play with Oscar “Magic” Stockt-Lin?"

One thing Melo isn’t good at is explaining himself. Which is fine; he’s paid to put a ball in a hoop, not write novels. So, in his stead, I ask the media (who have to make a story out of everything) to try this on for size:

Player A (per 36min): .516FG%, 24.2pts, 9.8reb, 3.4ast, 0.8blk, 3.0tov, 3.0pf
Player B (per 36min): .457FG%, 24.5pts, 6.3reb, 3.1ast, 0.5blk, 3.0tov, 3.0pf

A is clearly better, but there’s no question they’re similar in style. The assist-to-turnover is almost the same. Yet B is called “selfish” while A isn’t mentioned in any conversation without his teammate. Because while it’s not hard to guess that Player B is Carmelo Anthony, Player A is Hall-of-Famer Karl Malone, immortalized with his teammate John Stockton. (Melo is not the rebounder or defender Malone was, but he’s a better clutch player, and his FG% can be helped by having a playmaking point guard.)

My point is, “selfish” is not a bad thing IF the player is a power forward. That’s what a power forward IS. How many bounce passes do you remember Malone making? He was the guy who got passed TO. Same with Melo. He was recruited as a finisher, drafted as a finisher, and expected to be a finisher. He’s got that killer “I am going to put this effin’ ball in the hoop if I have to dribble through a minefield” mentality. He’s the LAST person to touch the ball. When you put the ball in his hands, his eyes are on the hoop.

Is it any wonder Melo is a terrible point forward who ran an iso offense? Novak’s a streaky sniper. Chandler’s a post player. Amar’e is also a finisher. The others generally aren’t offensive threats. When you put them all on the court, the defense can just swarm the post because none are great passers and the kick-out generally isn’t a better option. Who the hell does Melo kick out to when the other bigs have the same problem and until now the guards generally shot open shots LESS accurately than Melo vs. a double-team??

Obviously this has been re-hashed, but what Lin brings to the table is someone who gets the ball to the OPEN man. What the media’s forgetting is that this means he’s a second coach on the floor who can dictate where and when Melo can run his iso — namely, “not every damn time”. Nor can the defense focus on any one player, not when Lin can get the ball to Amar’e or Chandler or Smith/Novak. You can’t double-team Lin AND Amar’e AND Melo. That’s six players on the floor and you don’t even have someone on Chandler or the wing. This is the havoc Lin-to-Melo will bring to the offense. Melo isn’t Karl Malone, who in turn never won a championship, but Malone’s center was Greg Ostertag.

by dragonchild on Feb 20, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

P.S.

I realize Melo is a “small” forward, but as far as his role in the offense is concerned with Lin as PG he’s the Karl Malone of the offense.

by dragonchild on Feb 20, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Kenyon Martin had a few quotes about ppl calling Melo selfish

“Smart basketball player, and the best player on that team — hands down. So I don’t understand why people are questioning whether he’s selfish or not. No, the man is not selfish. The man wants to win. He’ll do whatever it takes to win. I don’t think he’ll mess nothing up. He’s going to come in and be Carmelo Anthony.”

by m3llofan on Feb 20, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That the offense had to run through Melo as a point earlier in the year out of necessity was understandable since he was the only player who had skills

But the logic of running Melo as the point is as intelligent as making Jason Kidd your designated shooter
Wrong skill set, wrong mind set, total waste of skill

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

Rec’d

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry but that's ridiculous

The obvious equivalent to a Malone-type player on the Knicks is Amar’e. Did you watch Malone in his prime? His game is nothing like Melo’s. People compare Melo to LeBron when it’s favorable but neglect to do so when to comparison highlight’s Melo’s inadequacies as a playmaker. The expectation, or at least hope, was that like LeBron, Wade, Kobe, McGrady, etc. Melo could run an offense, facilitate for others and still get his points. Unfortunately, he can’t. Luckily, an above-average point guard fell out of the sky, so it’s not the crippling flaw it otherwise would have been.

by flossy on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You just made his point

He said Melo was a finisher and isn’t a type of player that runs an offense. He didn’t literally mean “He plays just like Karl Malone…he even looks like the dude!”.

It was meant as a comparison to the role that Melo will probably play on this team, not their skill sets or positions.

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Maybe “style” was a bad choice of words; “contribution” would’ve been more accurate, at least on offense.

by dragonchild on Feb 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay well

my points are a) that Melo has the skill set of someone (i.e. more like LeBron/McGrady than Malone) who should be able to run the offense, yet he sucked at doing it, and b) that Knicks fans were fed a lot of b.s. about how Melo is such a great passer, he makes his teammates so much better, George Karl was holding him back from being a playmaker, etc.

The fact is, he’s really not that good at it. And I don’t think you disagree with me. Where we disagree is the expectations people did or should have had for Melo-as-point-forward. A lot of his biggest fanboys wouldn’t shut up about how the offense should be run through him; you virtually never heard anyone say “actually Melo is a good scorer but a mediocre passer who should not be running an offense; this is not going to work.”

The fact is that Melo is a gunner pure and simple. It is what it is, and I’m happy that now that’s what his role in the offense will be. Now that the Knicks are getting legit production from the PG position, if Melo can relinquish his inner Kobe Bryant and embrace his inner Kevin Durant the team will be very dangerous.

by flossy on Feb 20, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean

Melo did an okayyyy job of running the offense. I wouldn’t say he’s a mediocre passer at all. Not good enough to play point guard full-time/compare to somebody like LeBron James? Sure. But I disagree that he’s just a “gunner”. I think the guy really can pass, just not well enough to be THE guy in charge of that.

by Seth on Feb 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know man

Our offense was drag-it-out-back-and-kill-it awful to the point where our coach was thisclose from getting fired. He marginalized another max-salaried player by virtually freezing him out of the offense and almost never attempting a pick and roll or pick and pop set with him. For a guy who commanded double teams constantly, he had a hard time consistently taking advantage of it to find open teammates where they could shoot in rhythm. Part of it was that guys were missing shots, but part of that was that guys who rely on getting the ball in rhythm never had much of an idea when it was coming to them and often found themselves having to shoot on possessions where it was their first time touching the ball. As we have seen, a truly talented passer can make players like Fields and Jeffries effective despite the fact that they can’t shoot.

Anyway I won’t deny that he can throw a nice pass now and then, but so can JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Iverson etc. and I have no problem calling them (and Melo) gunners. As for the LeBron comparisons, hey… when you make more money, cost your team 5 rotation players and several picks and come to NYC with your own theme song, these are the expectations. So to the people who are now saying “well of course it didn’t work, that’s not his game, he’s like Karl Malone” I ask, where were you when all I heard about was how great a playmaker this guy is?

I guess the point is, I’m not surprised he failed in that role because I knew he didn’t have it in him. I’m optimistic that he’ll flow into our new, PG-centric offense as a smaller but much more effective part of the overall picture.

by flossy on Feb 20, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you’re right but he can be a good playmaker and passer in the flow of the offense, just not as the “point forward”.

by paxon on Feb 20, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Drag it out back and kill it awful!!!! ROFL

Flossy my man I am gonna send you my dry cleaning bill cause that shit was so funny I spit coffee all over my shirt!

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

throughout his career melo has inly been asked to score up until recently. You expected him to come in and be larry bird after a few games?

it was a nice idea built solely on need and desperation and to melo’s credit, he at least tried his best at the role

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by Lord Smackington on Feb 20, 2012 8:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

We have a Baron and an Earl

Time for them to conspire to overthrow the King

by IllPHIl on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

we also at one point had Earl Barron

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

So excited to flip out about an Earl Baron lineup.

I wonder if the two of them on the court together might make the man himself appear out of thin air?

by Seth on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I heard Earl Barron got waived by Golden State (I think)

So we should probably waive Amar’e or Tyson and summon Earl Barron to the team

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by WSD on Feb 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't have two Barons on one team! Linconceivable.

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Two Barons and two Earls? Definitely not!

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 20, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty confident Melo will be fine as long as Lin continues to run the offense

He just makes things so much easier for people. Who doesn’t like open shots? Who doesn’t prefer easy buckets? Carmelo has a little bit of a hero complex but I’m pretty sure the man does not prefer shooting with three guys draped all over him. The sheer number of weapons on this team is going to make it impossible for anyone to get too much defensive attention, and if everyone stays healthy it’s only a matter of time before we start hanging 120, 130 point games on people.

Anyway, I bet Melo is probably relieved not to have to be the be-all end-all for this team right now and is looking forward to going with the flow and getting buckets.

Also, he probably knows that if he fucks this up he’s going to make A-Rod look like the people’s champ. So that’s a little extra motivation not to come in all gimme-gimme.

by flossy on Feb 20, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

ur last lines.

are exactly why he will try hard to be super seamless in his approach to fit in and prove every bull shit analyst wrong.

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Damn

I was counting on him to play shitty defense, not rebound, and fold down the stretch.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Its funny cuz he always wrecks you guys

20 ppg 7.5 rbg and 2.6 bpg in 12 career games vs the knicks

by netsfanrasmus on Feb 20, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If by 'wrecks'

you mean, he piles up good stats but then gets pissy and ineffective in the last few minutes and we win the game, then yes, I agree with you.

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by fuhry on Feb 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

a whole bunch of those gamea

He did that being guarded by such defensive stalwarts as:

David Lee
Al Harrington
Shawnee Williams
Amare Stoudemire

Ill take my chances with Chandler and Jeffriea

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oooopppsss Now Flossy why you gotta go there man

results don’t matter to Nets fans. They were high fiving each other at the beginning of the season because some one wrote an article that they contacted Orlando about Dwight Howard. Not that they traded for Dwight but that Billy King called Otis! Sad really sad. As much as I try I just can’t hate Nets fans! When I run across one I want to feed it like a stray cat!

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

that's cold blooded man

funny…but cold blooded.

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by Lord Smackington on Feb 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

so...

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

If that was you, then, damn, man, sorry for your loss. But if it was me, yes, I’d go to a Knick game, unless that friend like really hated basketball or something.

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by fuhry on Feb 20, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

When I die

If any of you out there happen to give a eulogy, and the next day you have a chance to go to a Knick game, DO IT and do the hell out of it.

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by fuhry on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Who cares?

Giving a eulogy does not mean that you are dead.

by superturboultra on Feb 20, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well... statistically speaking...

people would prefer to BE dead rather than give the eulogy, lol

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell If I die the day before a Knicks game and I got tickets

They better prop my dead rotting corpse up in my seat cause I am not missing the game even dead. Hey you are talking to a man whose wife voluntarily stopped Labor during the 1997 playoffs! So birth death, shit you got Knicks tickets you are going!

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

holy shit I don't know whether to commend you or what

Though you definitely got lucky grabbing that woman if the story’s true. Quality right there.

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Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry man

For what it’s worth, Kevin Costner eulogized Whitney Houston on saturday and was at the garden yesterday…

by Jackaroe on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Were they married?

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by Russ on Feb 20, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a Hollywood eulogy

We’re not talking about normal people.

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by Russ on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Please dude it is not that serious

What mourning period at best Whitney was a friend of his, geesh he was not married to her. And he didn’t give the Eulogy, he was one of about a dozen people who spoke about his experiences with her. But look Baba should I die and you eulogize me, you have my permission to go to the Knicks game the next day! Of course I am such a rabid Knicks fan I would never dream of dying during basketball season so never mind.

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting opinion

No disrespect intended, but who are you to decide what is appropriate mourning for someone else? Doesn’t seem like your place, no?

by PJCarlesimo on Feb 20, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

what does one have to do with another

seems completely unrelated to me

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by rcnt123 on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a pretty ridiculous way to judge other people. Is he supposed to be in seclusion in the west wing?

by paxon on Feb 20, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure

Honoring the dead doesn’t mean “stop living”. Life goes on. It’s one thing to hit the dating scene a day after being widowed, but that’s generally because reasonable people are in too much shock to get frisky that soon. I probably wouldn’t want to go to a game the day after a good friend died, but that’s because I wouldn’t be in the mood. If I was feeling up to it, though, hell yeah I’d do it. And get very drunk. Any restraint by someone who isn’t actually crushed is really just for appearances.

by dragonchild on Feb 20, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't find anything

that confirms Melo is a sure bet to play tonight. I hope he is. Same with BD.

by Mdotpain on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I would LOVE to see melo play this one

And have BD get 10 minutes off the bench. Perfect game to ease them in before two tough games this week.

by Jackaroe on Feb 20, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

BD needs more than 10 minutes.

Jeremy Lin played 46 minutes yesterday. Anything over 30 tonight is pushing it, especially when we have two tough back-to-back games coming up in which he will be relied upon heavily.

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by tanman5 on Feb 20, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It may work, it may not work, but a little Melo perspective

Melo’s years in Denver was more about Melo successfully taking the Nuggets to the playoffs every year with inferior and poorly built teams than it was about not consistently getting out of the 1st round
The “not getting out of the 1st round” is a pure media lazyiness. If your team finishes 6th, 7th or 8th you are usually assured of getting spanked in the 1st round. The same lame story was tagged on Kevin Garnet until Minnesota finally built a team around him.
Also, on many of those "1 and done’ years the teams Melo lost to usually ended up winning the NBA title (hello San Antonio)
Melo wanted to and enjoyed sharing the spotlight with Iverson. Some of it was idol worship but Melo has never shown a problem sharing and playing with others; the others have to actually be able to produce
The bridge burning between Melo and the Nuggets was mostly due to the team’s refusal to ever build onto the team. Melo and Iverson strongly lobbied to acquire Artest, the team refused. Every year it was the same story
The Olympics continue to be the best example. In years leading up to the 2008 games, Melo was front and center carrying the load in international play; but in 2008 took a step back while (the media again) turned it into the Kobe/LeBron Olympics
And KMart is correct, Diva Karl just needs to shut the hell up!!!

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That's a fair concern about Amare, there should be more production coming from him

Hopefully it is more a side effect of Lin not playing with Amare or having a training camp with him before. I agree that has to change.

An interesting side note with the 1yr Melo-versary coming up. If Wilson Chandler ends up not going for the cash out and only signs a rest of the year contract with Denver, the actual trade out from the Melo deal (once the smoke has cleared) will resemble (I threw away the not relevant pieces)

New York
Melo and Tyson Chandler

Denver
Gallo, Mozgov, Koufos, 2014 1st rd pick

In Diva Karl’s dilusion of having 10 legit NBA starters and Denver’s scorched earth policy (demanding Billups is part of the deal) in making a trade, the Nuggets will completely lose out the Felton element (traded for Andre Miller who walks after this season) and quite possibly Wilson Chandler (sign 1yr contract, walk in the offseason).

20/20 hindsight, the deal is looking even better for NY, and even worse for Denver

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

by no

Means did either side get killed in this trade… Gallo, Chandler, Felting, AND Mozgov are all UFA after this season… so would I rather have Melo at 20 million or have

Gallo – ~ 12 a year
Chandler – 10-12 a year
Felton – 8-10 a year
Mozgov – 6-8 a year.. he is getting 3 a year I think so he will want a raise.

Congrats if a team wanted to keep all these great assets a single full season after said trade, they would commit almost 70% of their cap to 4 guys, none of whom are more than sporadic all stars. We got the most outta the 2 guys we drafted, their cheap rookie wage season’s. It is so incredibly rare that guys are even worth keeping past their rookie deals, just look at the Ben Gordon’s, Villanuevas, Bluntness Boumtje and Glen Davis’s of the world. Especially if Chandler gets some crazy 4/50 deal, this trade will look even better for us.

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

now that i think

About it, Mozzy may be signed thru next year, so that makes it somewhat better for the Nugs… point still stands, that these assets were no better than the previous crop of over paid semi-veterans that sign multi year deals after their rookie contracts with other teams at exorbitant prices

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry the Word losing to the San Antonio Spurs in the playoffs is not an excuse

Just ask Mike D’Antoni! By the way to further the media doesn’t know shit, D’Antoni’s system doesn’t work and Melo can’t play it. Oops whose fucking offense does the US Olympic team run? Oh yeah Mike D’antoni’s.

by Robert Curre on Feb 20, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not worried about Melo

im worried about Stat, his lack of D and even O, i have no idea whats goin on with him, he plays like this prior to his tragedy, he is unrecognisable so far and 32 games has passed…
Is it possible he is keeping safe his knees? Dunno…

by Martian78 on Feb 20, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

I think we're getting a little too concerned with Stat

The jumper is concerning, but he actually has had some nice drives to the rim. Yes, he looks less explosive, but yesterday he had a few nice finishes around the rim, and before the loss of his brother he was starting to gain steam.

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by WSD on Feb 20, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Elton Brand Anyone?

How do we feel about that possible trade now?

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by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Amar'e any day

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by WSD on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take it

…if it were at all possible. Brand is a better defender (it’s not even close), and maybe surprisingly, Brand is also scoring more points per possession this season, compared to Amare. (That’s because Amare’s offensive production per possession has fallen off a cliff this year.) No way Philly takes the deal tho.

by JR99 on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Elton wouldn't be even close to be able to handle the kind of burden we'd place on him that we do on Amare.

And if people say Amare is injury prone..

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Knicks going forward are VERY different from the Knicks of the past

And Amare does not fit well anymore. Time will tell, but it’s looking like that already. Brand is not great either, but less bad than Stat….imo.

by JR99 on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I only want to trade Amare if we can get two Dwight Howards out of it

MSG might have already moved on from Amare to Carmelo to Lin, but for all the bitching about the guy that I do here, Amare is the man. He might not be doing his thing as vociferously and dunktasticly as he has in the past, but that’s still my dude.

For Elton Brand?? If I’m that desperate for defense in a certain spot, we can always throw in Jared or Jorts for post defense, and Brand is scoring more PPP because he’s taking less shots. In a year or two if you think Amare is going to make his contract look bad, remember this post and look at Elton then.

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree w/ this about JJ and Jorts. If you are worried about defense just take Amar’e out. There’s plenty of other offensive options now when Melo is back. So long as Amar’e understands what’s up w/ being a team he shouldn’t mind not having huge minutes unless he’s having a dominating game.

So long as the outside shots are falling, the Knicks look pretty hot w/ Tyson/JJ-Novak-two of Shump, Fields, JR-Lin. The defense looks great with those units. Plenty of ways to go offense vs defense w/ this line-up and it’s only going to be more so when Baron, Melo, and Jorts are all in the mix.

by paxon on Feb 20, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This will also help preserve Amar’e through his overlong contract. If they give him huge minutes all season over and over he is going to break down much faster.

by paxon on Feb 20, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If Amare doesn't turn it around then Im thinking a lineup of...

Melo
Jorts
Bison
Linsanity
J.R Swish

…is the Knicks sickest.

by bababooey2 on Feb 20, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Im only worried about his knees

3 or 4 years ago he was given a prediction by the doctors that in 4-5 years from then his ligaments are done. All of us can see that he is not pushing, he plays like default, another knee injury, and he is done with basketball. Thats what scares me. I dont want him to be traded, but as GAx said, if we can get D12 out of it, well… I repeat, Amar’e as a player is not discussed, but his knees arent, i dont want another Allan Houston story.

by Martian78 on Feb 20, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be more of an insurance move for the future

If Mare goes down the franchise would be truly fucked. That’s $20+ mil a year down the drain for the next 4 years. If Brand sucks, which he wouldn’t, he’s gone after next year which is also his contract year. The question really is how much worse would we be with Brand? I don’t think much. The clock is ticking for both of these guys.

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by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

but i dunno about this Brand story, is it for real or just fan observation?

by Martian78 on Feb 20, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I got the sense that there was something to it

but it very well could have been one of those bleacher report fantasies.

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by YuckFou on Feb 21, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

imo

shumpert should not shoot threes

he seems like the guy who would penetrate for easy lay ups, drive behind the rim, or dunk on somebody

by Chiefshero on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

With Melo's bread & butter being driving & drawing fouls and Amare's pick & roll

Shumpert would be huge if he could consistently hit the open jumper; doesn’t have to be a 3, just hit the open 18footer. Drive, kick it out to Shump and hit the open jumper

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He looks like he has trouble finishing

He also looks like he’s been working on his shooting. It’s still inconsistent, but it’s looking better. His shot selection has also been much improved. He’s getting better on offense while playing amazing defense, I’m very happy with Shump.

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Id rather watch shump clank 3s then to even watch fields shooting form on free throws, it actually upsets my stomach watching landry fields shoot the ball

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

its the injury

he’s just not gonna go flying to the hole this year

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

That too

He looks much more tentative.

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Deron Williams is going to try to drop 40 tonight

I think we’re going to have to call on Shump to muzzle him.

I would be very OK with Tyson sitting this one out. Rest up and get right for Wednesday. JJ (either one) should be able to do the job against these guys.

Also, one shouldn’t get overly excited about Ersan Ilyasova’s line against the Nets – as good as that is, he’s pretty much been beasting ever since Bogut went down. Amare, sadly, has not been doing much beasting this year.

by Joamiq on Feb 20, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

JJ

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by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Trying to remember

How much (if at all) has D’Antoni gone to that this year? Seems like with a much better interior defense he hasn’t had to stick Jeffries on guards to stop penetration quite as often, if at all. I can’t remember a specific example that strategy being deployed this season.

by Seth on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

There was an unseen abundance of sarcasm referring to jared jeffries, haha however to be honest i can see shump getting in foul trouble early again and having earl defend him at times

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, it didn't go unnoticed

That’s just actually been a viable strategy before and you got me wondering how much we’d seen it this year

by Seth on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Its funny that him facing up on a pg was even a plausible situation in some alternate dimension that is not the Lin Era

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as funny

As sticking poor Iman Shumpert against the best shooting forward this side of Larry Bird

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by tanman5 on Feb 20, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't recall seeing it this year

though it must happen every now and again with our switches on the perimeter…

by Joamiq on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we saw it in the two games against Boston

And maybe even Chicago that one game. Otherwise, I can’t think of it at all other than on switches (one on Jose Calderon comes to mind and Jeffries got burned)

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by WSD on Feb 20, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry to be that guy, but things like this a pet peeve of mine

Its by-product, not bi-product
And its fateful game not faithful game.

I’m serious when I say I’m bad about this. I stopped reading after the 2nd one to make this post.

by Branta on Feb 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I'm pretty bad about stuff like that too, usually.

The “bi-product” one was done on purpose because I have a weird sense of humor, but I have no explanation for “faithful.”
How embarrassing, and thank you sincerely.

by Osborn on Feb 20, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo, Baron and Earl are going to be great pressure releases for Lin.

Lin is under so much pressure both physically and mentally that these guys being mixed in will be a much welcomed repireve. I believe that a big part of Lin’s turnovers are do to fatigue. He gets tired, loses focus and gets sloppy. And its hard to blame the guy with all the energy he exerts as this team’s catalyst.

It’ll be nice for him to go to Melo for iso’s on a few possessions. Or to relax on the bench while Dizzle does his thing. Or to just feed JR and watch him do his thing when he catches fire.

We can’t keep riding Lin for 40+ mins a game with the way he plays.

by Crackback on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Baron

A successful and effective return by BD would put this team over the top IMO

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It figures tonight's games is not nationally televised... rats

Anybody miss Renaldo yet?

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

his dealers

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by astromets on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The talk of Melo possibly not fitting in is really absurd.

Think about this logically. Melo campaigned for Lin to get minutes and is friends with Lin. Melo campaigned for Baron Davis, Melo campaigned for J.R. Smith. Landry and Novak have said how helpful Melo is in practice and has encouraged them to be themselves on the court and shoot when they are open. So Melo has helped assemble pieces to the team, he’s encouraged players on the team to do better and play their game only to return and play one man chucker?

It just makes zero sense. Complaints about Melo holding the ball is also off base. When the coach calls for Melo to iso then Melo is going to hold the ball and wait for the double to come so he can decide to pass or shoot! I have not seen Melo purposefully keep the ball from his teammates, I have not seen Melo shun a hot shooting teammate to get his shots off. Those are trademark qualities of a chuck.

Another thing, Melo and Lin have played together already. In the limited time that they have played with one another there was no indication that there would be some kind of problem. Melo is clearly the leader of this team and he knows what it takes to win. If Melo could build a team around himself, it would be exactly like his Syracuse Orangemen championship team. Freeflowing on offense, attacking on the ball defense.

Melo shoots some ill advised 3’s but so does every shooter in the NBA for that matter. I have not heard one teammate of Anthony ever call him a ball hog or a chucker. It is a storyline that is over hyped and over blown to epic proportions by media and cynical fans.
Melo is going to thrive and make the Knicks a team you cannot double team.

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by Major on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Melo will always be closer to 'Nique than Magic, but I agree the talk is absurd

When Melo is most selfish on the court is also when there are little to no other options on the court. I suspect Melo would have been back on the court sooner; but the hot streak gave him extra time to heal up. Better to be on the court in May than in February

The book on Lin will be out soon enough, if not already. It happens to every player, though running PG in D’Antoni’s system helps tremendously. Junior still hasn’t grown up but maybe Chandler will have a little influence and will keep him on the court rather than in court

Baron is Baron, whatever they can get from him will help. Bibby is bye bye. Maybe Douglas just needs time to heal physcially and mentally. But I still think the team is too thin up front for the playoffs; especially in the east

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right about our frontline

That’s why I think Jeffries and Harrellson should get good minutes the rest of the season. They need to give Amar’e and Tyson a break and play good D. Harrellson can stretch the D out on the perimeter and keep the lanes open. He can be an important player if he gets playing time.

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by Major on Feb 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Not too thin

…if/when Amare gets his act together, plus Chandler, Jeffries and Harrellson. Good enough to contend.

by JR99 on Feb 20, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome!

That is a rec sir. Which I guess makes Lin our Harvey Dent? Only the 3rd movie will tell!

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by moose35 on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I beLIN in Harvey Dent?

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 20, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This whole topic will evaporate soon enough

Melo will have his work cut out for him. He absolutely loves what is going on out on the court, he will modify his game accordingly, I don’t believe he is arrogant, stupid or a narcissist. nuf said.

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by murderhill on Feb 20, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Straight from the Twitterverse, this just in... Wilson Chandler will be in Denver tomorrow talking contract

I can’t blame him if he sells out for the long term contract that Denver could offer; but I’m hoping he goes for the 1yr contract and then go UFA in the offseason

NY burned their $2.5m on Junior; but if the hadn’t they could have forced the Chandler contract issue by offering Wilson a 1yr offer sheet for $2.5m and force Denver to match it or let him walk

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

Whatever. I prefer Earl anyway.

by Crackback on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully the real JR Smith doesn't make an appearance during the season and make you regret the words you just wrote

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I may get attacked for saying this and I'm not basing what I'm about to say on one game

but I think J.R. is a better player. More baggage and possible headaches but he’s a better talent than Wilson IMHO.

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by Major on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Difference between talent and being a good player

JR is more talented. One of the most purely talented players in the league today

Wilson Chandler is the better player

Back in the day, JR Rider was an extremely talented player too. But, like JR Smith, both are dumpster fires just waiting to happen

There was a reason why JR Smith was never the starting SG for the Nuggets… a team in desperate need of a starting SG. He was never mature enough to earn the job

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Grain of salt

He seemed to be in a different mindset yesterday in his post game interview, talking of teammates and maturity as a result of playing in china

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's true, every year Junior is full of mea culpas and "I've learned" and "I've matured" and "I've Changed"

And each year, Junior is Junior

His behavior in China is the latest in the long sad series of events

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

way overblown

If we win hell be fine

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not true, wasn't true during the last 5 years in Denver

The Nuggets were successful every year; each year it made no difference, JR continued to be a problem

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

the team won like

50+ games… how big of a problem could it have been as he was a started and major contributor to that team… seems to me like that right there disproves what many are trying to say… that his attitude is a problem

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No having written that, the on possible saving grace, the Ace in the Hole will be Tyson Chandler

He leads the old fashioned way… for the sake of team success

Denver never had that kind of player on the roster to hold Junior accountable. KMart, Camby, Iverson none of those players were that type.

Maybe, just maybe Chandlers strength of leadership can hold Junior, a little bit, in check

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by the word on Feb 20, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Cant have ur cake and eat it too i guess, would be nice for him to focus on basketball and get his act together bcuz he fits in quite niceky with this group, high energy, can shoot the trey, able to penetrate at will basically

by PleaseWin on Feb 20, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well... if the Knicks offered that $2.5 to Chandler... Denver would absolutely match it

and they would have Chandler for a huge bargain and it would be done with. Denver would have like 10 days to decide on whether or not to match the contract and there would be nothing to stop them from waiting a week (meaning the Knicks wouldn’t be able to bid on JR Smith). The Knicks would have nothing to show for it, because while they offered Chandler that contract, the Clips would have offered money to JR Smith and he would have taken it thinking the Knicks weren’t really that interested.

It would have been an obviously foolish waste of time for the Knicks to offer $2.5 to Wilson Chandler. And it would have hurt us more since we’d end up with neither player.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Chandler holds out for a Gallo sized deal

If someone took a survey of the opinions on this site I bet our salary expectations for each of them would be about the same. $40 mil is what he I think he will end up with.

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by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Knicks would need to offer a 3-year contract to any RFA, so that wouldn’t work. I’d love to see Chandler return, but if it’s Lin vs Chandler competing for our mid level next summer, I pick Lin.

by superturboultra on Feb 20, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

JR will thrive

Enough of all this cant work talk. Melo put this team together along with Stat. B Davis came because of him JR as well. Cris Paul would’ve been here had not been for the deal NO wanted. People dont follow you if your a ball hog. Its just the negative press & what they view should be the way a player plays. We finally have a team a starting five that can run with anyone. Questions is will the NYC media allow them to gell and win…

by brooklyns finest on Feb 20, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

You're right

I think JR may have earned himself a start. Maybe not this next Netb game, but if Landry’s struggles with his shooting continues I feel certain that MDA will pull the trigger.

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by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree....

But I like JR’s energy off the bench. But I also dislike Landry’s flat jumpers. Tough call even if Landry’s jumper continue clanking but he plays well in other aspects of the game like he has been.

by Mdotpain on Feb 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather hide Landry's on-and-off offense with the starters

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by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mean to look ahead of any one game

But i am REALLY interested in the game vs the Trifuckta in Miami.

I just believe the Knicks are gonna have to beat them in the playoffs at some point in order to contend. I am highly encouraged by the way the Knicks beat Dallas yesterday, especially since we are not at full strength yet. I firmly believe that adding Melo into this mixture is gonna make the Knicks even stronger and I want to guage that against other elite teams. I expect the Knicks to treat the Nets the same way they did the Kings.
But this Miami game… I would love for that game to be a catalyst for how dangerously good the Knicks are. Oh man I do.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 20, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

Chandler and Lin are our top dogs

at least the most indispensable. Everyone else is more or less interchangeable.

Lin Your Face Calderon... Toronto 2/14/2012...JFL

by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

But the Miami game will not be a good test, for a few reasons…
- NY will be playing its 4th game in 5 days, and flying in the morning of the game, getting to sleep at maybe 3am or later.
- Miami will be fresh, playing at home every other day
- NY is still moving in new pieces, still learning the new system
- NY is still missing pieces, including Amare who is not up to speed yet

If Knicks win, it’ll be amazing. If they lose, meh…. not really a fair fight.

by JR99 on Feb 20, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's quite the opposite!

It’s a perfect test. Playing an elite team on the road and coming off a heavy week of 4 games in 5 days?? You wanna find out what your team is made of??

Everyone expects them to lose because of those reasons. But if the Knicks WIN, is there a tougher test to pass??

Stop looking for excuses to justify a loss, man.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

also... it's not at all unfair.

The NBA doesn’t wait for teams to have perfect conditions to play.

There is always going to be something in the way.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 21, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

with all due respect..

if you think your beating Miami w/o Melo your legally linsane.

by bababooey2 on Feb 20, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It could happen but not consistently. If guys like Novak are hot and Lin is beasting I think they can beat anyone missing lots of players, just not consistently. Need Melo out there for when things aren’t working perfectly.

by paxon on Feb 20, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You need Melo against Miami

He can actually handle LeBron one-on-one. That’s huge. It should not be overlooked.

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by Russ on Feb 20, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but every team in the NBA is battling fatigue.

The Knicks may be a bit more rested than other teams given our recent injuries and a brand-spankin’ new PG with mighty fresh legs though…

I’m not gonna use the games played as an excuse. This game is a real test of things to come. And I believe the Knicks will be ready for it.

"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire

by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 20, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Knicks probably have to win it with good bench play

The Miami starting 5 (well, the big 3 anyway) are good enough to always have them in games, but the Knicks will need some JR Smith, Novak, Shump, and Jeffries action to try and wreak havoc and give the Knicks a boost for when the starters are back in.

Oh man, just typing that got me excited

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by WSD on Feb 20, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

our team is definitely deeper than miami now and we matchup well for the most part i think itll be a great playoff series

assuming stat owns bosh like he used to, melo always plays lebron well, dwade might kill us we’ll have to hope maybe shump can stop him a bit but i’d really like our chances cant believe what i just wrote isnt a joke..

by abe88 on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Trifucta when tested fold

Melo will make Labron play str8 up, Lin makes D Wade defend, and Stat & Chandler will beat down Boitch Bosh. Lord help the East if just if Baron has something left. Knicks could be the NBA version of the G-Men…

by brooklyns finest on Feb 20, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

did Kelly really go to Miami?

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Diddy plays tonight

Lin needs a break and Boom is the key to the playoffs for us.

Lin Your Face Calderon... Toronto 2/14/2012...JFL

by YuckFou on Feb 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

On a side note...

Mike James played well in spot duty today. If BD doesn’t make it back, I’d think we’d need a veteran PG as a backup for 5-10 mins of spot duty. Shump, JR, Bib, and TD are out of their element orchestrating this offense. Just a simple pass first PG would do. I’m thinking guys along the line of Maynor, Watson… Can’t think of anyone not on a roster off the top of my head though.

by Mdotpain on Feb 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Me too...

I haven’t read anything conclusive though

by Mdotpain on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

nobody knows who you're talking to if you don't use the reply button

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 20, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupid iPad

This was a reply to yuckfou’s comment on bdiddy. My PC died, I chose an iPad as a replacement because my employment dictates I learn this thing

by Mdotpain on Feb 20, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

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