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Around SBN: What If This Is It For The Celtics? End Of An Era Looming

Nets 100, Knicks 92: "That was obnoxious."

Oh lord, was that obnoxious. Couldn't agree with hvino more. A match-up with the lowly Nets felt like a decent enough time for the Knicks to open the book on their almost-fully-staffed rotation and begin the quest for coalescence on the right foot. The Nets weren't about to be the victim of another experiment, though, and they came out pissy, violent, and determined to exact revenge. There was a moment there-- almost like a flash-forward glimpse of this team's sunny future-- where the Knicks were gleefully zipping the ball around to open scorers and thundering down the floor in transition off turnovers. The success was fleeting, though. It was there only to tease us, as the rest of the night was torturous and pretty thoroughly obnoxious.

The Knicks-- all of the Knicks-- gradually devolved into disorganized offense that didn't produce quality open looks (and when it did, they didn't fall). On the other end, the Knicks' chronic problem of losing three-point shooters ate them alive (the Nets shot 15-31!). DeShawn Stevenson torched them from outside early to dissolve a double-digit difference and Deron Williams, vindictive little toad that he is, took it from there. Williams made it perfectly clear that he had come to avenge the pantsing he suffered in Jeremy Lin's breakout game, and he channeled that spite quite effectively. He shook free for open looks early and, as the game progressed, realized he didn't even need the open looks. He pulled right up and over Knick defenders, often with contact, and finished with 38 points garnered almost entirely from the three-point and free throw lines. Had Deron not fouled out, he probably would've taken a dump at center court at the final buzzer, and the Knick guards would have had to clean it up for some reason.

Kris Humphries was equally obnoxious, smartly trading rib-jabs with Tyson Chandler and baiting him into just 24 minutes of playing time because of silly, hot-headed fouls. Humphries, of course, was probably feeling vengeful himself, since the Garden crowd has harassed him at every opportunity this season (Humphries shushed them after a made free throw).

So, that all sucked, and the referees only exacerbated the testiness by making plainly hideous calls and letting obvious infractions go uncalled. Early on, a lot went in favor of the Nets, and later, the Knicks were aided (too little, too late, though) by some bogus calls. No matter which way the arrow of incompetence was pointing, the officiating was a key contributor to an ugly, sordid battle that only vaguely resembled a professional basketball game.

Take the jump for some individual notes and other details. Spoiler: Nobody really played well. Not anybody.

Star-divide

- Those first six minutes, though. Those really were fun. It felt for a moment like it was going to be another one of those wonderful, delirious nights where everybody just wants to cuddle with each other. And then the Nets started hitting their threes.

- And why the threes? Well, the Nets set a lot of screens for their shooters and we know the Knicks don't like those. Jeremy Lin and Carmelo Anthony both serially got caught going into or under picks. Often, no help came and Williams, Stevenson, and MarShon Brooks (who is just awesome. I feel like suffocating most of the Nets right now, but he is a glittering exception.) got wide open looks. When the help did come, the Knicks didn't "help the helper" and Hump 'n' friends got easy inside looks. Quite simple.

- Lin, overall, had one of his worst games since he's been a Knick. His defense on Williams did pick up as the game progressed-- again, there was a point at which Deron could've hit a three with a bag over his head-- but he got proper smoked in this one. On offense, Lin ended up with a solid if inefficient line, but looked pretty out of sorts. He, perhaps more than any other Knick, tried to create too much for himself. Lin forced some bad, untimely attempts and occasionally went hunting in vain for foul calls. Again, he put up numbers-- 21, 9, 7, 4 steals, and just 3 turnovers-- but did it inefficiently and with spotty decision-making throughout. Nothing to freak out about, just not a good night. This is where we remind ourselves of who Jeremy Lin is and where he came from, and also notice the fact that even on a bad night...shit, that's quite a line.

- Carmelo Anthony returned to the team after a pretty lengthy absence and was as rusty as you'd expect, if not still in pain (some part of his lower body was bugging him by game's end). He missed some easy looks (both figurative "layups" and actual layups) and mishandled the ball on numerous occasions. Honestly, though, rust and all, Melo fit himself into the action better than I expected. He kept the ball moving and, even though he was at odds with the rim, took mostly good shots. If anything, Melo was overly deferential, though I suppose that was the right move given the bad bounces he was getting on easy shots. Anyway, Melo sputtered offensively, but it struck me as more a mechanical/executive problem than it did a struggle to fit. Defensively, Melo was mostly bad. No complexity there. He lost track of Stevenson and/or Brooks fairly often, and they made him pay.

- Amar'e Stoudemire had at least one moment of physical excellence-- an and-one dunk on Shelden Williams in the fourth quarter-- but other than that, he looked feeble as ever. I did a lot of cringing. Amar'e couldn't sink his jumpers, couldn't explode to the rim, and couldn't contain Shelden fucking Williams off the dribble. He was physically over-matched on both ends of the floor, and without that jumper to help his cause...yikes. I'm really hoping Amar'e, his sore back, and his mind can get some real rest (but also some repetitions) during the All-Star break. He needs it. Some of these shot attempts look like volleyball sets-- like he knows in advance that Humphries is gonna spike that shit into the floor. That's just not Amar'e.

- Tyson Chandler has been terrific, and he had some terrific moments in this one, but his tendency to get frustrated and commit truly inane fouls kills the Knicks every once in a while. Tonight, he just couldn't manage his loathing for Kris Humphries and let himself get run right of the floor. It must be difficult for a guy who plays that hard to know when to back down a bit, but biting on pump fakes, flailing for low-percentage rebounds, and-- worst of all --getting all rowdy and retaliative when he's annoyed only hurt the Knicks.

- Landry Fields probably played the best game of any Knick. He made some great finishes at the basket, including an immensely satisfying cram in Kris Humphries's mouth, and also ripped down 11 rebounds. He did his darnedest on defense, including long stretches on Williams, but it was mostly for naught. So, decent game from Fields. Still really, really needs to either hit open threes or take a step inside the arc.

- Baron Davis played ten minutes and looked healthy enough, but didn't do anything of note besides miss an iso jumper, sink a three, and hit Steve Novak with a pass to close to the first quarter buzzer because he decided to wrap the ball around his back for no reason. Still, it was great to see him upright and running around. He's massively important to this team.

- ...and that was readily evident when the Knicks-- missing Iman Shumpert because of knee tendinitis-- opted to go without a point guard. J.R. Smith was the de facto lead guard at times and he did a decent enough job of pushing off misses (anybody else noticing that he pulls down some really impressive rebounds?), but couldn't really create much for anybody. Oh, and he missed all five of his three-point attempts.

- Shump, by the way, might have helped on Williams, but I doubt it. If anything, he probably would have fouled him more and given up more four-point opportunities.

- We did see the "Earl Baron" backcourt for a few minutes, so the night was pretty much a win despite the loss.

- Jared Jeffries squandered a couple wide open opportunities off the pick-and-roll (though, of course, there's a reason he's open there), but made his typical handful of big defensive plays-- some blocks, some charges (one of which was an awful call, but still...), some nice rebounds-- the usual.

- Steve Novak just doesn't help much when his three-pointers aren't falling. He was 2-8 from outside.

- Mike Breen on Linsanity: "We see so many signs! Nobody makes signs anymore!".

- Beyonce dancing in her chair to Rob Base and DJ EZ-Rock was terribly endearing. I always feel bad when the Knicks lose in front of someone who I want to love them so we can have something in common and maybe hang out sometimes. I don't care who her husband is. In my head, she's open to loving the Knicks and possibly me.

- The Jumbotron operator (who I imagine as a Zordon-like being, but that's probably not the case) had quite a bit of trouble with the scoreboard at the beginning of the second quarter, and the game had to pause until the score no longer attributed 123 points to the Knicks. If you're looking for a scapegoat...

- Deron Williams played so well that he got Breen-- not Clyde-- to say "dancing and prancing". I don't want that to happen again ever.

- New York never realllly seemed like they were going to come back, but they made a game of it in the fourth quarter, cutting a 19-point deficit to 8. The defense really tightened up, but they squandered several consecutive stops by turning the ball over and missing not-bad shots.

- That guy who frowns and points to a giant picture of himself frowning (you may know him from college games. I think that's where I've seen him before.) was in attendance. He actually appeared to bug Williams at the free throw line a couple times.

And that's more or less it. Both teams played pretty badly, but the Nets got some massive individual performances that the Knicks did not and they benefited more (both passively and actively) from horrible refereeing. The Knick defense was slow and the offense didn't mesh for most of the night. I'm sure some folks will say otherwise, but that failure to cohere didn't seem to me like the product of any one player. None of the guys-- the principals, the new faces-- looked comfortable, and none of them performed up to par. We all hoped they'd get away with that in their first night against a bad team, but this was the wrong night and the wrong team for such an outcome. The Nets got embarrassed before, and they were determined not to let it happen again. It was obnoxious, but this was 1. A special night from the Nets and 2. An instance of each Knick playing individually worse than he should and the overall team output suffering in turn. Unfortunately, there will probably have to be more nights like this one before this group looks right. We're going to have to be patient. Again.

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There was a point where I was willing to trade a Tyson Chandler 8 game suspension for a solid punch to Humphries’ face. Oh well, gotta make it up by finishing strong before the AS break.

Jets - Knicks - Mets

by jayvb on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

Me too

Glad we all got through that without mishap

by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

would have been nice to at least sacrifice walker or something

a punch in humphries’ grill would have made this night a win for me

by jawnie on Feb 21, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

yes. a great, great positive

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

But he hit a free throw!

Everyone knows that’s waaay more impressive than dunking over someone.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually considering, who was strong enough to kick the shit out of him

but not valuable to be missed if he was kicked out of basketball for life. I was in a relatively quiet bar yelling, “punch him in his fucking face! …poke his eyes!”

by mp987987 on Feb 21, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i would have given..

one of my kidneys to see tyson chandler drop kick kris humphries. There is just something about him that irritates everyone on this earth except nets fans.

by taptappy6 on Feb 21, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

At one point they did a slow mo replay of Tyson jawing at Kris

I’m a decent lip-reader. He said something along the lines of “Tell me about Kim, what happened with that.”

Even though Humphries’ dumb ass fell for her, still not the coolest move, Tyson.

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Theorem: Proven

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought Melo was going to be the one

But Im glad I wasnt the only one thinking it

by JetsFan718 on Feb 21, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Kris Humphries

should be declared a persona non grata in MSG!

by chellepretty on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

...But we're still gonna do this, right?
Those first six minutes, though. Those really were fun. It felt for a moment like it was going to be another one of those wonderful, delirious nights where everybody just wants to cuddle with each other.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

I dunno if anyone's in the mood..

actually DonMoosavi is definitely in the mood if you can prove you’re a real girl to him

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHA

maybe we’ll have a wonder, delirious soon anyway! Those are fun….

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

wonderful*

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

does he have “official” requirements?

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 1:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah, "possibly a female"

Haha Don, if you read this, it’s all in fun bro

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey I'm gonna give myself a little credit here

and say that I could very well pass those requirements.

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 22, 2012 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to need some proof.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

and now that I look at that, n/m Creepy GAx

This is a family blog

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Shumpert

While you could be right Seth as it’s one of the best PG’s in the league, we’ve seen him do his thing plenty of times thus far this season. You never know as that one steal kind of early on him just might have influenced the rest of his shooting night.

by RedHopeful on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed. Or just that big body thats quick enough to mirror him might have messed with his head a bit.

by Crackback on Feb 21, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

april 18 is going to be a very interesting game

i hope the knicks have that date “circled” and blow them out.

by DHP on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

i hope its a day

full of flagrant fouls solely on deron williams and that kardashian guy. if not flagrant fouls, then at least baiting them into some really stupid ones. i like how Lin took deron williams immediately out of the game right after his last field goal. smart kid, that Lin

by renovator on Feb 21, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

i like ur spirit!

ur my new role model!

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

friends forever!?

posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy

by gymtanlandry on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

to infinity & beyond!

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

they probably couldn't care less about that game

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope the backups are in

only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
Iman Shumpert is a first ballot hall of famer
a point guard within a point guard within a taco bell within a kfc, its Linception

by metseaglesknicks on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Workman

I think he’s the same ref who hosed us out of that 1 possession in minny I think? When rubio got the technical as lin got fouled at the rim, but we only got to shoot the T and lost possession.

He was on the Pacers in the 90s….probably holds a grudge.

by znk916 on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

yeah he's really bad

I understand the pace of the game makes this maybe the hardest sport to ref, but it seems like he’s often overwhelmed by the decisios he has to make every 30 seconds and forgets rules and shit.

Cmon man.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I do think it is probably the hardest sport to ref, not just because of the pace but because of the nature of most contact being a foul.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd think a former player would have a better grasp on the game

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The price of the Knicks' recent success

…may be that the refs will sometimes kill their game, as happened tonight in parts. When there’s great interest in a particular game, gambling odds get skewed, and you can make a killing if the outcome is very unexpected.

That the refs reversed their BS late in the game is irrelevant…. they do that for lots of reasons, including the spread, and to maintain the appearance of equanimity.

NBA, where the worst officiating in creation happens.

by JR99 on Feb 21, 2012 1:37 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt the refs have anything to do with Vegas.

Vegas sets the odds such that they make money one way or another. They’re a business; there isn’t any outcome that isn’t profitable for them. They do, however, like lots of bets and big bets, so Linsanity is a good thing for them.

No, I think it’s just that, given the way the Knicks started, without intevention it’s clear this would’ve been another blowout. There were a lot of narratives to exploit, such as Deron’s revenge, the Hudson River Rivalry, Linsanity’s old enemy and Melo’s first game back. A blowout wouldn’t have been exciting, and all the narratives would’ve went cold. The Knicks also could’ve easily taken the Nets in a fair game (hell, look at how fast they went to work in the 4th when the refs turned the tables). So the refs had to spot the Nets a big lead to make the game exciting. It worked, didn’t it? Even with the Knicks 10, 12 points down no one thought they were out of it, and once the lead hit 18 the refs quickly flipped as the game was getting out of hand. But that’s what makes me rage, that they controlled the game in the first place. I’m not any more happy about the late ticky-tack fouls on Deron than the early ones; I want an effin’ GAME and I felt I was denied that. The whole farking thing was a giant waste of time.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm

It’s not that the refs have anything to do with Vegas (even though they are factored into the odds, and some people place bets solely on the refs involved), but that refs will often place bets on the games that they’re officiating. It happens in every sport, but in the NBA it’s a plague.

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I see your point, but if that’s the case I daresay it’d happen a lot more often and be a lot worse. Not saying it doesn’t happen at all, but I think such a problem would be MUCH harder to hide if that was the case — the refs would be compulsively fixing games because there isn’t a game that ISN’T bet on. Case in point, if the refs were out to make money and the NBA was so bad at policing the problem that it’s a “plague”, then why’d they let the Knicks back into the game in the 4th? The simplest explanation is to look more impartial, but it’s not like the NBA would’ve taken action right away (if at all) and the Knicks damn near came back late, so it was dangerous and senseless from a crooked ref’s perspective. Better to just orchestrate a Nets blowout, pocket the money and let the fans rage.

In as much as evidence is circumstantial either way, I base my case on the fact that the refs really only seem to take over when there’s a story to tell. No one was complaining about the officiating in the 2/4 Knicks-Nets game because no one figured Lin would’ve emerged as a monster that game. But if money was riding on THAT game, face it; Lin would’ve been the worst thing to happen and the refs would’ve had to shut him down. They didn’t, because there was no money in that game and no one knew who Lin was. They didn’t mess with the Hornets game either because there was no narrative.

The entity that benefited most from a Knicks near-comeback was the media. Another blowout wouldn’t have really added to the Linsanity, but a lot of stories like the return of Melo and the revenge of D-Will were riding on the game being a close Knicks loss.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Either way

…it sucks for us. THEY suck, period. And it’s obvious that the problem is not simply incompetence. When you look at video a second time, it jumps out at you how egregious their behavior really is…. how impossible it is for their errors and omissions to be honest mistakes.

by JR99 on Feb 21, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They were, but it seemed like more of the gamechanging calls went the Nets' way.

Literally as soon as I turned on the game and it was 13-3, like 5 calls in two possessions or something weird like that. I told myself it was waaay too early to start thinking this was an oddly called game, and then it just kept on happening..

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the ref’s bad calls on the Nets behalf were more costly and tone-setting than the eventual bad calls they made on the Knicks behalf later in the game, but I agree that they were just plain shitty

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

just for the sake of sanity and whatnot

jeremy lin dropped 21, 9, and 7, along with 4 steals and it’s basically a ho-hum decent game for him. although he got torched by a douchebag, albeit an insanely talented douchebag, to think that a line like that is whatever for the kid is pretty amazing.

by jawnie on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

How do you guard a guy who's protected by referees.

they did d him. but even until the .01 sec of the shot clock the refs would call fouls.
You basically had to let him shoot open 3s.

by wwert on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you miss the bogus charge call on Deron that gave him his 5th foul

Thus putting him on the bench for a crucial part of the game? Or his 6th foul 30 seconds after coming back in?

But he was protected by the refs? Ok.

by Clayton Balch on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

two four-point plays!

When the hell does that happen. 12 free throws, in all
that said, fuck blaming the refs

by SweatbandProliferation on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The one on Lin was totally a foul

But he was so used to being protected by the refs (as was the whole team) he expected to get away with it.

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? I thought that was the least egregious one. Granted I only saw the useless overhead angle on the replay, but it looked like he didn't even touch him, or if he did it was incredibly incidental.

Now the Melo foul on Brooks when he tapped him in the chest, that shit happens on almost every contested shot, but it’s still a foul and Brooks sold it well and fell like it was some One-inch Punch or something.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone missed those bogus calls

Bogus calls in the fourth quarter don’t make bogus calls in the first half all better. Refs went all ticky-tack on the Nets in the 4th which evened out the numbers and made the game seem more fair. Looks like it worked; at least it fooled you.

That game reminded me of why I lost interest in the NBA in the first place. There are games where the fouls are downright orchestrated. My frustration is that no one really seems to understand how it works. The fouls aren’t driven by “conspiracies” to keep certain teams down or players up; the NBA has no favorites (though they do seem to hate the Spurs). Rather, they dictate narratives. This was the Hudson River Rivalry, the start of Linsanity, and going in it looked like the Knicks were gonna manhandle the Nets. But the NBA really wants to be more like the WWE, and you can’t make a rivalry exciting without parity. So they messed with the Knicks’ momentum until they were plainly out of the game, then turned on the Nets to make it exciting when the outcome was guaranteed.

Hell, just look at how quickly the Knicks went to work on that 18-point deficit the moment the refs decided to flip. At that point the Nets were getting screwed but it was never like this was an actual game so much as a choreographed narrative.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Douche-ron

was awarded 12 free throws, most of which were bullshit. Most notably was the phantom 4-point play against Lin and the head fake phantom foul on Fields at the end of the shot clock.

Be happy you got a win thanks to the refs. You won’t always be so fortunate.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I did

Show me where there’s contact (let alone contact initiated by Fields).

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

The charge was bogus. Jeffries lifted into him.

The 6th foul was a foul you see every game, but it seemed ticky tacky because the refs had let the Nets do that all game.

And didn’t let the Knicks do it all game. If you really want to compare blown calls/non-calls you can check the tape of Melo’s drives to the hoop last night.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Refs tried to even up their ridiculous prior bias

…only when the outcome was already pretty certain.

by JR99 on Feb 21, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah if you look at the boxscore it looks totally even, almost improbably even at 25 a piece

but that was with that late useless flurry of calls. Pretty sure if the refs were trying to let the Knicks back they wouldn’t let 4 seconds go off the clock as JR Smith is pounding away at MarShon’s(was it MarShon?) chest with 16 seconds left or so.

The one time in the game we actually wanted the foul JR had to tap out SOS on the guy’s chest from behind for four seconds to get it. Just bizarre.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes deron a douchebag?

I’ve never really thought of him to be a bad guy. Maybe a little cocky, but not too bad

by bmanley620 on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody who could make Jerry Sloan say

Fuck it! I have had enough, has to be a bit of a douchebag! Sloan held onto that coaching job in Utah like the Fucking Pope. Seriously I thought Sloan was gonna die on the bench.

by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

its like the only thing that got Joe Paterno fired was a pedophile former assistant coach

that’s how bad Deron Williams must have been.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

7th place though guys...

Life ain’t that bad.

In Donnie we trust.

by $100M Contract on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

Here I was thinking that the Knicks could be 2 games over.500 when going to see the heat

If they suck playing the Hawks that almost guarantees a victory at Miami right???

by JetsFan718 on Feb 21, 2012 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

I just gotta say I'm happy that this blog exists

I usually check out this site and theknicksblog.com and I’m glad to see there are people here that understand basketball and what this team is and better more what this team can become, and when we lose a game because we suck or because of certain instances (cough cough refs). Just got tired of all the negativity on theknicksblog dudes over there must be smoking the pipe hard because every little problem they blame it on melo or stat, ppl over there seriously want to trade these guys away for role players thinking Lin is some godsen superstar pg from heaven…crazy man at least ppl here are realistic about things and look on the bright side

by gonzo1234 on Feb 21, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

when shit hits the fan

its fuck stat fuck melo time over there. and not in the nice sexy way.

by jawnie on Feb 21, 2012 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

cna't stand it, i mean i seriously blame the refs for this one

worst officiating ive seen ever in a game, calls were so bias and so obviously. Nets got superstar treatment we got nothing. I mean hell they even stopped the game ot make sure HUmphries got back up form saving a possession that resulted in the Knicks getting the ball so he could get back in the game. Over there though nobody sees anything is omg Melo went 4-14, STAT is a 100 mil contract thats screwing us, my favorite is someone posting that line up of
LIN
Shump
Granger
Josh Smith
Tyson

is better than what we have now and would get us a ring, way too much negativity

by gonzo1234 on Feb 21, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

lol for real, it's why i started posting here more

i still love TKB, just some of the commentors act like we’re not in the running for the playoffs and that we should blow up our team right now. Truth is we have a pretty solid core and players we can develop

by IllPHIl on Feb 21, 2012 5:02 AM EST up reply actions  

yea we do, i think

we just need time to gel and work the kinks and not get screwed by the refs, as the TKB i love how tommy runs the site don’t get me wrong but some try like most of the dudes there are acting like steinbrener jr’s…. btw this team here really reminds me of the 99 team just saying that team was .500 team and look where they ended up

by gonzo1234 on Feb 21, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Yeah i was worried I would come here and read all of the potential bs trade scenarios!! This will work, we are now the opposite. Lots of depth and the task of finding out each players role. I think once amare and melo take that time off. I think honestly melo should skip the all star break, most ppl believe he doesn’t deserve it this year anyway.

by Phillip P on Feb 21, 2012 10:02 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Welcome to all the new TKB refugees

We got a nice thing going here.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

its cute that d-will was enraged by everyone saying Lin destroyed him on feb 4 and he circled his calendar. you know what a consumate pro does, a kobe bryant does? he circles every game. He doesn’t lay down. there’s a reason jerry sloan, top 10 coach of all time, up and left when coaching you.

there’s a reason you’re rotting in the swamp that is New Jersey. enjoy it d-will, it’s where you belong.

by raj m on Feb 21, 2012 2:46 AM EST reply actions  

Plenty of games where Williams looked like he quit pretty much or was zoned out

He’s the type of guy to really not care when going against a mediocre team and only shows up when the “spotlight” is on.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

yup, that's why you resort to fouls and shorts pulling.

I like 90s style NBA. but it aint fair that only the Nets get to do all those trix.

by wwert on Feb 21, 2012 4:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Word to "D-Will"

Yep. Players who get worked up over a single game, taking things personally and focus more on revenge than winning have a low ceiling, talent be damned. I’ve seen the worst of the league dominate a single game because they took it personally. The problem is that’s very undisciplined focus. You can’t take every game personally. The guys who go on to have long careers take every game seriously, and none of them personally (though some are a little crazy, like Michael Jordan — winning is his OCD).

P.S. The “first initial of first name – first syllable of last name” thing is played out. Doesn’t even work half the time. “K-Bry”? “K-Dur”? I come from Seattle, which is known for its creative nicknames — The Glove, Reign Man, King Felix. You wanna cool nickname, play for — aw, crap, we ain’t got a team anymore. Anyway, I’m OK with Linsanity, STAT and Melo. The “X-blah” thing is uncreative, boring, tired, and lazy.

So my point is. . . by all means, go right on calling him “D-Will”. Carry on.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

You won’t find much argument here.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

However

Anthony’s not the point guard.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure when Melo had a personal vendetta vs one player…

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

LeBron. Melo beasts in every game against LeBron, offensively and defensively.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that he has a ‘vendetta’ like hate, but he’s clearly looking to measure himself against LeBron every time they play for obvious reasons

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn't call that personal

They grew up as friends

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 21, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's kind of remarkable

If he’s capable of doing THAT when he’s motivated, then it’s a shame he’s not motivated more often. The alternative is that he’s not actually capable of flicking the switch like that and he just had a hot shooting night (likelier, since he’s only a career 36% shooter from deep), in which case there’s really no question as to whether this was more impressive than Lin’s dismantling of him last time (to clarify: it wasn’t), so, cool revenge bro.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Amare

Look,i might be upset we lost to the nets,i might be a little drunk, but everyone seemed to play okay besides amare.missed shots, nets hit an inordinate amount of threes…but I looked at amare and he just looked like shit. Outsider if that one dunk on shelden williams he just looked slow. Hate to sound down on the team too much but amare really looks a lot worse than last year.hopefully the all star break gives him enough time to get back to his usual self.otherwise I’m a little worried.

by Kupe on Feb 21, 2012 3:00 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

no you're right.

we played well. look at melo’s stats. he had 50% fg and 3s. 6 assists. Knicks too smart to go into the paint when the Nets are cheatin’ so bad. if refs keep taking chandler out, we’re going to really need Jorts.

by wwert on Feb 21, 2012 4:38 AM EST up reply actions  

That's true

Without Jorts, if I was an opposing coach, getting Chandler into foul trouble would be a major part of my game plan. They don’t have a bench big man capable of playing that kind of role at all.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 21, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly think

At points in the game, every one was trying to play team ball wayyy too much. This lead to deferring open shots and just passing it around until time ran out and they had to jack up a shot.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 3:16 AM EST reply actions  

I think it was more that Lin would bring the ball up and immediately give it up

He’s done well driving to the basket and then creating, he wasn’t doing that last night. Not sure if he was tired or was deferring to Melo, but I don’t think it’s anything to worry about. He’s probably watching game tape right now.

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Landry Fields played a real nice game, but he dribbles around aimlessly a bit too much. He needs to keep the ball moving.

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by rxmeister on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

he was getting to the paint

with his head up trying to draw defenders, how is that aimless?

by renovator on Feb 21, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

True

He was doing his best Jeremy Lin impersonation.

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Every game he has a few dribbles around the arc or to the paint that just never should have happened but for the most part he’s been sooooo much more effective off the dribble than he has been all season and really even more so I think than his early rookie season.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So glad i missed the second half of this one.

BUt based on the highlights and post-game interviews, I hate Deron Williams. So glad he’s not a Knick. Guy is a fuckin giant douchebag.

by Crackback on Feb 21, 2012 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

Just the same, the Knicks better come to play every night because other team’s " douchebags" are going to circle games against the Knicks and bring playoff intensity. The Knicks better recognize this and come ready to play. The whole way the nation has been caught up in Lin-sanity, the rest of the NBA will be committed to stop it.

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by rxmeister on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Deron

Isn’t a douchebag because he stepped up.

He’s a douchebag because he has an aesthetically displeasing style which relies on bullshit fakes and creation of contact to get points rather than actually putting hte ball in the basket.

He’s a douchebag because he quits on his team and shoots off his mouth at the media.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Statistically, Deron's been one of the best in the game for a while

Last year he averaged 20 pts and 10 assists. He’s the first guy to do that since…man, I don’t know. Isiah Thomas is the only other PG I know who did it.

Kidd never did it. Nash never did it. Stockton never did it. Deron’s filthy.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunno about the stats

But Gary Payton and Magic Johnson could put 20 and 10 on you any given night.

As far as this generation’s concerned Deron’s obviously more talented than Linsanity, but based on a short career so far, Lin seems more consistently focused. To be honest, for that reason I wouldn’t trade one for the other. The other guys you mentioned (Kidd, Nash, Stockton) never took games off.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah and that's AMAZING company
But Gary Payton and Magic Johnson could put 20 and 10 on you any given night.

Look, I’m a Nets fan and have watched every game. Aside from the VERY beginning of the season (presumably because there was a Dwight deal DONE that Magic ownership killed and he was pissed), Deron has been pretty on all year. He just has no players around him. They either suck or get injured.

There’s only so much the guy can do.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

don't care for him much

but he’s damned good. For sure one of the top of his generation

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Chris Paul did it.

Twice.

Not saying Deron’s not great, but he’s not a once in a generation type talent as your comment implies.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

brown nosing

What I love about this blog: Seth really knows basketball. He really cares about it, he rides the same emotional rollercoaster as the rest of us Knicks fans, and he let’s us know what he’s feeling. His really, really clever and funny, and over and over again. And I love the comments, too. Even after I’ve watched a game, studied the box score, read the AP account and the NY Times account, I’ll still stay up late to read the blog comments and the recap.

by pcraig on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

I often skip right to that last step

This is pretty much my one-stop source for Knicks news, thanks Seth!

by superturboultra on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Seth’s recaps are WAY higher in quality (and, obviously, lulz) than anything else in existence.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth is my favorite and first stop

But I also recommend the knickerblogger recaps.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

'preciate it

And yeah, Knickerblogger is amazing. I love those guys and their recaps are terrific.

by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those are useful too

I still prefer Seth by a wide margin though. As much as I yearn for more statistical analysis on this site, and I consider myself a believer in using advanced stats to help us better understand the game, I often get the impression over there that they let the stats paint 95% of the picture, which I think really does a disservice to the dynamic game that basketball is. Seth seems to capture the story of the game much better, while being no less truthy in his analysis. On Knickerblogger, I sometimes find it upsetting that it seems to lessen their joy when a Knicks player outperforms his statistical expectations. They pepper everything with a good dose of humor, but sometimes it’s like, “this was great, [joke], too bad he’s going to regress to the mean, sigh…” or “now that he hit these shots, Pringles is going to give him more playing time, sigh…” I don’t really dig that attitude because basketball stats haven’t evolved to the point yet where they’re as useful in a predictive sense as say sabermetrics, which can say a lot more because baseball is much more like a series of static encounters than basketball, which can’t (yet, at least) be reduced down that much. Don’t get me wrong, Knickerblogger is well worth reading and helps make me a better-informed basketball fan, but it also makes me enjoy the team less than this site does, so I prefer to think of P&T as home and Knickerblogger as, like, night class. I find Seth’s relentless but totally rational optimism to be much more refreshing in this era of cynical blogging. Also his wit is a touch cleverer, to my mind.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I have visions of hosting one at some point

But I would put the odds on that actually happening at about 20:1…

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

In my head I do, but my head doesn't resemble reality.

At some point I might do a “I’ve got pizza and beverages and space for the first 15 P&Ters who reply, whose down?” kind of thing, but that’s probably it.

Isn’t there another dude on here who runs a bar or something though? I remember someone mentioning how his takes were going up because people were watching Knicks games at his establishment while Time Warner was fighting with MSG…

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

bababooey

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

(shrugs)

no idea, he’s the only guy I can remember

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We can talk about this

but I’m much more into pizza and beverages than the whole EVERYBODY IN A BAR AND ITS LOUD thing. The previous P&T get-togethers have been really overwhelming and not necessarily conducive to everybody becoming friends, but it might just be that I hate bars.

by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Beverages? I'm intrigued.

Tell me more.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

okay

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

pimp juice ?

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 9:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

A great place for a get together is at a Midtown bar called The Gingerman

They have a back room that is very loungy.

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The Gingerman?

I’m there on the name alone

by Joamiq on Feb 23, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

My favorite part of this blog is how Seth sets the tone for a sort of zany sense of humor and it resonates through the community.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

stupid nets

i can’t believe D-will went off. Need more Lin, not Melo.

http://www.allinforjlin.com/

by chiwawa on Feb 21, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

melo did okay in this one

it was lin deferring to melo a couple times that was the real head-scratcher.

by renovator on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

"Okay" doesn't cut it

To be clear: I’m not blaming Melo. I’m just being critical. He’s making the big bucks and, for better or worse, has embraced his role as the team’s “go to” guy, so assuming he can, he needs to play like it. Obviously he’s not at 100%, and hopefully he’ll eventually get back to 100%. And when he does, the Knicks will be dangerous. But as for last night, when a superstar just does “okay” (same could be said for Amar’e), you give a team like the Nets a chance because you’ve effectively replaced a superstar with league average. When that happens, and the other team’s superstar show up to play, you lose (with or without the refs). That isn’t necessarily his fault, but it is reality.

Based on his post-game interview about “not trying to do too much” I guess he put high priority on getting the system going. Which is fine to an extent, but not if he loses himself within it. Melo’s a finisher. He’s supposed to get 20+ points, not 6 assists.

I’m almost certain someone’s going to misunderstand the point of this post, but whatever.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he was just rusty last night...

and he knew it so he didn’t push too hard, especially after those early layups didn’t go down. He has been sitting for 2 weeks, gonna take a little while to get his form back.

by robk on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If Melo hits his open shots he easily would have had 20 points. He missed 2 open layups and a few open shots. He also only his 3 of his 6 free throws. That is something a un-rusty Melo wouldn’t do.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lin took 18 shots

Melo took 11. Thanks for playing though!

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Melo missed a few layups I think its a good thing that he only took 11

If he came back and took 25 shots his first game back everyone would’ve crucified him

by JetsFan718 on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Just chalk this one up to D Will

He played like an All Star, and he is that good….Melo was rusty, Tyson in foul trouble, New players on the court. The Knicks will get it together, coaches just have to figure out who to play and when to play them….
Only thing that still concerns me is Amare though….def not the same consistent explosion we’ve seen in years past. Looks like a player starting on the decline, and we have him for 3 more years after this….

You just got Tysoned!!!!!!

by Jason Bee on Feb 21, 2012 8:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It sucks because it was against the Nets (I really hate the Nets).

But I thought there were lots of positives to take from this game.

-Baron looked spry and in shape.
-Carmelo had several beautiful assists and other unselfish plays.
-Amare showed he actually is able to still dunk (although he was swatted a few times too)
- Tyson and Lin both played less minutes than usual (they both need to rest).
-Only lost by 8 when Deron Williams shoots unrealistically good, and all the Knicks were clanking wide open shots including free throws.

All I do is Lin Lin Lin no matter what...

by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 21, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

One more...

Amare actually TOOK A CHARGE. Refs didn’t call it, but man it was CLEARLY a charge.

by JR99 on Feb 21, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that will get me concerned

Is if there’s a significant drop off in the movement off the ball we’ve been seeing over the last two weeks. I saw hints of more stagnant half court sets last night, but overall it looked pretty decent. Lin has to stay confident and play the game he’s been playing. The others will adjust (1st quarter style). As long as we keep moving the ball, we’ll be fine.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

After a good night's sleep

I am still worried. Every time I talk myself away from the ledge (Melo was rusty but got open looks and lanes that he’ll convert next time, Lin was getting no calls and was intimidated by an overrated opponent, Chandler is only human with regards to his tolerance for scum-phries of the Earth), I keep getting talked back by one thing:
Amar’e.

This is very disturbing stuff. The guy is missing point-blank open jumpers which he was making at higher than an 80% clip last year. He’s getting outmuscled and out jumped by the likes of Humphries and Shelden Williams.

The Knicks should be able to incorporate Melo into the offense and I think him and Lin will be tough for defenses to handle. But they lost at least 3-4 assists (and more importantly possessions) when they fed Stoudemire in the red zone and he couldn’t convert an open jumpshot or a contested close-range finish. If he can’t snap out of it, this will be a mediocre offense.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

To me the problem is more on the defensive end

With the offensive talent we’ve got, I think we can hide his offensive mediocrity of late and even use him as a decoy. But defensively, I’m worried that 3-4 possessions a game that have been stops will become buckets for the opposition, and when we’re winning games with about a 5 point margin, that’s going to cost us. Can’t hide a PF on defense.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

I know the problems were evident before his leave of absence, and I know a max guy should be expected to leave personal problems off the court, but I keep hearing people say, it looks like his mind is elsewhere. Well, it is…the closest person in the world to him just died very suddenly. The first week he was in shock, now he’s probably starting to really mourn.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You are naive

If you think that has anything to do with the lack of lift and explosion. I agree he’s going through a hard time. But this is something physical. I’ve never seen him blocked so many times and he’s missing baby shots that he used to make at a high rate.

We can go on believing its because of his mourning but I am convinced there is something bigger going on here and it has to do with his body, not his heart.

by Jankees on Feb 21, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say it wasn't also his body

Something is definitely off and I agree with you. All those blocked shots! But there are certainly moments where he literally looks lost out there, and it seems to me that it’s only fair to mention that what he’s going through mentally is probably compounding the physical problem. I actually don’t think I’ve seen anyone mention it as a contributing factor since he returned.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree w/ you about the mourning. He doesn’t look like he’s into games the way he usually is. His fire seems dimmed a bit and no one can fault him for it. I also agree with the separate issue of his physical abilities. Hopefully he can work into being more explosive. He’d always been a late starter every season before last year, and this year coming off the back injury and adding all that weight I guess it’s reasonable to HOPE that he will bloom a bit more as the season closes out.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm willing to take his ineptness on the defensive end

Since he often has Chandler protecting him anyway.

But he’s a glorified Jeffries on offense right now.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Glorified Jeffries on offense?

He’s been struggling, but I wouldn’t take it that far.

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by moose35 on Feb 21, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't hit an open jump shot

to save his life. barely getting 1 point per shot.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Sadly I agree

But if he can at least consistently nail that jump shot and be a decent finisher (can’t believe I’m writing this about Amar’e Stoudemire) he can still be a weapon on offense.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

His jumper is fine most nights, just not last night. I’m more concerned with his hops and his quickness.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a Nets fan, but (mostly) come in peace

I’ve been saying all year that Amar’e does not look like himself. How many of those 12-15 foot jumpers did he miss last night (in in many previous games).

He COULDN’T miss those last year. (I watch more than my fair share of Knicks games because of friends/roommate). He also looks like he’s lost a step and doesn’t move as swiftly around the rim/on the roll as he did in the past.

He’s seriously a couple of back tweaks away from becoming Jermaine O’Neal and this schedule doesn’t help. It’s great you guys found Lin and though Tyson has been as good as he can be, it was a mistake using your amnesty provision on Billups instead of saving it in the likely even Amar’e goes down again.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

really nice recap Seth...

This recap has officially convinced me… you should be the beat writer for the New York Knicks

by Edelorbe on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

That moment was where it was confirmed:

Deron Williams has a really punchable face. It’s like a Papelbon-face. You can almost see the popped collar coming out the back of his jersey.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

never seen a player on a 10 win team

so excited

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by Jadden Hopkins on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I liked seeing his suicidal face

after he broke his personal best for 3’s, and ahead in the game. He still hates it there.

by mp987987 on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of guys who have punchable faces

Anybody else see this Anthony Perez guy’s picture? LOL #jerseyshore

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

hey cmon..

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the other picture at least

Appears to have changed it. This one is better

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

cmon dude be cool

if he was trolling it’d be understandable but right now you’re just looking petty.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

stand corrected

teaches me a lesson…actually it probably doesn’t but lets just pretend.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 2:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Wow

OK, so he got his revenge. Talk about childish. All he really did is show that Linsanity’s schooling of him two weeks ago was that much on him playing flat. Actually playing up to his potential for a night isn’t a reason to get cocky.

It’s like, “Hey, look what I can do if I give 100%!” OK, fine. . . then what the hell were you doing all this time?

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Flagged

If you’re going to troll with a douchey GIF, at least use a subject line so we can collapse it.

This pretty much makes a lie of your claim that you came in peace.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

im starting to feel numb to this

to the bad officiating, to the “not so great” defense, to the unorganized offense… im just tired of being pissed

by blackhova on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Really????

Guys here are blaming the refs and talking about punching Net’s players in the face.

That is very sad.

We lost the game because the Nets played better then us, not because the refs stunk. And because that team played better than us you want to punch them in the face?

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by Giantssincesix on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

and to add

that is how loosers talk. Blaming others and taking it out on those that did it better then you.

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by Giantssincesix on Feb 21, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

There's been agreement from Nets and Knicks fans alike

that last night’s game was especially poorly officiated. It was an issue, whether you like it or not. It’s not like we were sitting here complaining about calls in the N.O. loss. When it is a factor, there’s nothing wrong in venting frustration about it. There were a few reasons we lost, but an inability to develop any offensive rhythm due to multiple non-calls on blatant contact in the paint was one of them.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It's hard to WIN a game

Where particular players are expected. And for lack of a better word, the officiating was pretty unfair to the Knicks later on.

Yes, the Nets played well. Two of them. But let’s note that the SINGULAR and most convincing Nets-centric reason for the Nets victory is their 3 ball. Hot all night. You can only guard the arc so well without giving up a great deal

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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I can’t get crazy about a loss where the other team shoots like that from downtown. It’s not a sustainable way of losing, if that makes sense.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The Nets played very well, obviously

And it is ALSO true that the refs sucked, and were clearly biased against the Knicks. Both things can be true at the same time?

As for hating the Nets… I don’t, but I certainly think it’s every fan’s god-given right to friggin hate the opposition.

by JR99 on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The refs sucked both ways

There were a couple of missed calls against the Knicks, but there were for the Nets as well.

(The charge that wasn’t that Jeffries drew (clearly sliding his feet and even Clyde called it out) the play where Anthony Morrow lost 4 teeth after a shot to the mouth and was called for a travel, etc)

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The calls for the Nets changed the game

Chandler was put in foul trouble all game, Lin never got a single call and that forced the Knicks to change their game plan, Williams got EVERY FUCKING CALL and that forced the Knicks to not play defense on him…

to insinuate that the bad officiating REALLY impacted both teams equally is simply incorrect

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Deron may have got "every" call

But he also missed the last 3 minutes of the game after fouling out. (first time he’s fouled out in 2 years)

Look, the officiating was atrocious. The Knicks should’ve gotten a couple of calls. The one that stands out in my mind was a drive late in the game where Melo was clearly fouled on a missed layup.

But still, you’re team is just flat out underperforming. Sure, you beat the Mavs, but the rest of the teams you beat were either awful or in disarray like the Lakers.

With the roster you have, you have NO BUSINESS being under .500 and that all is on D’Antoni.

Take a few things into consideration:

1. The Nets have an AWFUL roster. Brook Lopez has been out both times we’ve played you and say what you want about his rebounding, he is an offensive force in the middle. He averaged 21 ppg last year and has an offense built around him.

Do you think it’s an accident that the Nets have so many 3-point shooters? Nope, they’re assembled to play like the Magic. Additionally, the Nets have had a bunch of guys go down. Stevenson has missed a bunch of games, Marshon is a rookie and missed 10 games, Okur went down for the season, Bogans down for the season, Damion James down for the season, Farmar in and out (out last night), etc.

Despite that the Nets have come into the Garden twice and worked the Knicks. The Nets were up by double digits in the first matchup before Lin turned into Isiah Thomas and we also led last night by as many as 18 with NO INTERIOR offense to speak of.

2. Just look at the Knicks roster. How in the hell are you under .500? How!? And you’ve done it against statistically the easiest schedule in the NBA.

http://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

You guys need to get D’Antoni out of there or the Knicks will never reach their potential.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

this is terribly off base.

Carmelo and Amar’e don’t fit well together especially with no true PG. When those two were out the greatness of Pringles as a coach shined, as Jeremy friggin Lin became as star and we had Jared Jeffries starting games for us.

The Knicks roster is looking good now. But again, we’re starting over with little to no practice time. This has occurred consistently throughout Pringles coaching term and its funny how the mindless Pringles bashers completely overlook this fact.

Dude’s a good coach. A really good coach. The Knicks had no business having the expectations they had with the PG position so much in doubt. Now that it appears solved, its gonna take time.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is that you're not winning a championship with Lin, Chandler, and Jeffries

You’ve committed $40 million/year to Melo & Amare and you need a coach that can make it work.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Lin and Chandler are our problem? Thanks oh wise one

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by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Reading comprehension man

I’m saying you’re not going to win a title with only Lin and Chandler.

When did I say they were your problem?

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Before you criticize anyone for poor reading comprehension, take a look at how poorly constructed your post is

It’s very ambiguous. That should be clear to anyone with decent reading comprehension.

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You're taking shots on baseless arguments

There was nothing confusing about my sentence. I said that you’re not winning a chip with just Lin, Chandler, and Jeffries. I said you need Melo & Amare to meld with the team to win the championship.

Don’t get me wrong, the Nets ain’t going nowhere unless we get Dwight, but there’s no arguing that the Knicks need to make all of their current players mix and that D’Antoni hasn’t proven capable of that.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm taking a shot at your ambiguous post

Go back and read it again. You leave out way to much between the subject and the one sentence for any point to be clear.

And everyone here knows that we need Melo and STAT to become integrated into the offense. There has simply been too little time of everyone playing together for anyone to be able to make any informed conclusions about the viability of this roster as a contender. Anyone who thinks that they know what this team will be like in a month is completely full of it.

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

Russ already covered this, but you did not have the word “ONLY” there.

Basic grammar, kid. “You’re not winning a championship with Lin, Chandler, and Jeffries.” This implies you think that with those three guys it’s impossible to win a championship, whcih would imply that they are the Knicks’ problem. You didn’t qualify it with “only”.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You should really stop expressing opinions on things you haven't observed.

The roster we have has barely been together for any length of time. The Knicks haven’t had a stable roster for a single 30 game stretch since the start of last season. The fact that they haven’t completely gelled yet isn’t D’Antoni’s fault.

Your point #1 makes no sense at all. The Knicks are underperforming because the Nets were in half of one game against them and won another? Sorry, that’s not the way basketball works.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And my point is that you guys seem incapable of criticizing yourselves

You’re telling me that the way you guys have played against the competition you’ve faced with the quality of players you have is acceptable?

Talk about a low bar.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If you spent much time on this site reading what we write

you would never make the statement “you guys seem incapable of criticizing yourselves.” You wouldn’t even think about it.

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

The Knicks have lacked depth

Melo has been injured most of the season (even when he’s played), and they had no point guard. Imagine a really jacked dude with incredible strength who has no idea how to use it That was the Knicks offense, since there was no “head” to lead all the muscles.

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by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

This is rich.

You saunter over for one day and decide we’re incapable of criticizing the team?

Trust me, there is plenty of criticism that goes on over here. It’s just based on, you know, observations and facts and stuff. Not the results of a game or two, not the standard “blame the coach” trope.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I not critique the body of the Knicks season?

Yeah I did.

I said that with your talent level that you should be a much better team, especially given your statistically validated strength of schedule.

You would argue that D’Antoni has not made the most of this roster? Could you imagine with Knicks with a Greg Pops type coach? I’m simply pointing out that your winning streak is overwhelming the reality that if you guys got a coach that could better take advantage of your roster, you would be a far better team.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Your moving the goal posts

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What goal posts have moved?

My entire criticism started with saying D’Antoni is not a good coach and not the coach that could do the most with the Knicks roster.

I have done nothing but reiterate that point.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Your pointing at the roster assuming that what we have on paper is what we've put on the court all year

Just like, and maybe more debilitatingly, any other team post-lockout we’ve been riddled with injuries and family deaths(seriously, why so many family deaths this season?).

Simply saying “You have a great roster but your coach can’t mix the ingredients well” without taking a more qualified look at the situation does your well-intentioned posts a disservice. You just look a less knowledgable about our team than you may be while making statements like that.

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by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"you guys seem incapable of criticizing yourselves"

You wrote that, you’ve been called out on that statement by two people, and you respond directly to it because you are wrong. You’re shifting your argument from that because you won’t admit that it was a fallacious statement. You’re moving the goal posts.

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

*WON'T respond directly

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Your sole reasoning for D'Antoni being a bad coach is the Knicks record.

As if one factor could be responsible for that! Absurd.

Find me a coach who would have vaulted Lin to stardom faster than D’Antoni. I’ll wait.

I have some specific criticisms of D’Antoni. There are things I think he can do better. I wouldn’t say overall he’s one of the top 3 coaches in the league. But he has some strengths along with his weaknesses, and on the balance I think they make him a good coach.

Really though, it is rich that you think you’ve assessed the entire commentariat here and have decided it is incapable of criticism because we’re in love with D’Antoni. If I had a nickel for every P&T post demanding that MDA be fired I’d be a rich man.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mr. Perez maybe you should focus on the coach of your team

Oh that’s right! Your team kind of sucks. But anywho, I understand why your here. Look nothing personal but you Nets fans are like annoying little brothers who always want to play with the Big boys. You guys hate the fact that there really isn’t a rivalry between the Knicks and the Nets, Want proof-Nets home games against the Knicks sound like Knicks home games, why because most of the people in the stands are Knicks fans. You guys are so pathetic that your minority owner spends more time at Knicks games than he does Nets games. In fact when was the last time Jay Z was seen at a Nets game? He was at the Dallas game on Sunday! SMH

by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ahhh... a goold old Currence thrashing

Much needed

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by WSD on Feb 22, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

a boneheaded troll is what you are
And my point is that you guys seem incapable of criticizing yourselves

just read the posts of every knicks blog on the ’net, and you will find hunfreds of hypercritical posts from rabid knicks fans. from the coach all the way to the bench, none of them flattering. especially when losing.

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by mindcontrolproject on Feb 21, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Whose whining, dude?

It’s a counterargument to your ill-informed point.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How is my post ill-informed?

I presented facts, you Knicks fans have presented nothing but “Nets suck” and “it was one game.”

As I mentioned to the other guy, I said that with your talent level that you should be a much better team, especially given your statistically validated strength of schedule.

You would argue that D’Antoni has not made the most of this roster? Could you imagine with Knicks with a Greg Pops type coach? I’m simply pointing out that your winning streak is overwhelming the reality that if you guys got a coach that could better take advantage of your roster, you would be a far better team.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You selectively present facts without establishing causality

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Find me even one instance where I said "Nets suck".

Or anything approaching it. Seriously. If you want to debate something, let’s debate it, but don’t just make shit up.

If your argument is that Pop is a better coach than D’Antoni, I certainly don’t disagree. Pop is probably the best coach in the game with Jackson retired. Sorry, I can’t hold D’Antoni to that standard. Call it low expectations if you want, but I’m not going to pout because we don’t have a top 3 coach. Fact is, though, that D’Antoni is kind of the perfect coach for Lin. So it’s pretty difficult to see how the last 10 games could have been a whole lot better with any other coach.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Point out what D'Antoni has done wrong please

- Carmelo Anthony has been injured half the season

- There was no PG. D’Antoni started Douglas and it didn’t work. So, he started Shumpert – a rookie! – and that didn’t work. So he started an undrafted, twice-cut PG who has put up 24 ppg and 8 apg in his time on the floor and led the Knicks to an 8-2 record. Name someone else who would do all that?

- The team has never been at full strength, except for Xmas day in which Shumpert and Jeffries got injured. Guys like Amar’e, Josh Harrellson, Baron Davis, and Bill Walker have all missed time too along with aforementioned Shump, Jeffries, and Melo.

- The team needed shooting so he inserted Novak into the lineup, turned him into a fairly consistent rotation player, who spaces the floor, and has said he will continue to get time.

- The Knicks are a top 10 defensive team.

So, please, tell me: what he could be doing better?

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by WSD on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh of course

This is all while he’s been on the hot seat, with no job security, on the last year of his contract with grumblings that he was going to be fired

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by WSD on Feb 22, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, there were

but as was pointed out by many on this thread, the calls against Nets appeared when the game was practically sealed. They didn’t have such an impact on the result as multiple calls for the first 3 quarters that went NJ way. I’m sure we all, NY and NJ fans, realize that.
Having said that – congratulations to Nets with the exceptional game. If your guys played like this all 66 games they’d have much happier fans.

by YIK on Feb 21, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Problem is. . .

If I was a Nets player I wouldn’t be feeling too good about this either. When I’m playing I want to BEAT the other guy, not have the outcome decided for me. Deron’s a douche so I can totally believe he thinks he had a monster game, but I’d be more like that shot of Ali after Liston dove to the mat. I’d take a win, but the sweet taste of victory isn’t there when it’s handed to you like that.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Before the 4th, the Nets had twice as many FT’s as the knicks. It’s as if at the end of the 4th the Refs were like Oh shit, this doesn’t look good on paper and gave the knicks way more calls when the game was pretty much over.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh

Yeah, spotting the heavy underdog an 18-point lead on the last game of a back-to-back-to-back against a hot team on their home court. . . as corrupt as the NBA is, that might’ve launched a full-blown inquiry.

It also baffles me how such choreography can be that bleeding obvious and people still think there’s no officiating problem.

by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

It was so sad we couldnt even get a foul when we were blatantly doing it

by JetsFan718 on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The missed calls early disrupted any chance of the Knicks developing an offensive rhythm.

If Lin is driving to the paint and not getting the call when Johan Petro hits him, and is dumping it off to Chandler and Melo who aren’t getting calls when they get whacked on their way to the rim, it’s hard to get anything going offensively.

The bad calls in the Knicks’ favor later on couldn’t make up for that.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally

I guess the fact that Chandler and Amare throwing Elbows all over the place especially at Humphries doesn’t deserve a foul call. Amare and Chandler also swatting any Nets in any direction mostly Humphries and Shelden Williams is fair game as well. Also I guess Melo tripping Humphries isn’t a foul call either. Melo also flinging arms at Stevenson is no way a foul either.To top it all off I guess it was air that knocked out Morrow’s teeth not Melo…. you guys are so funny

by beefylennox on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh

Those were fouls, and they were all actually called fouls (and technicals). Nice try though.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yea and deserving so

I just see everyone blaming the refs and its hysterical. Blame your players for going insane not the refs for holding them accountable. The Knicks are obviously overall a better team and will be in the playoffs this year with the Nets not, but yesterday the Nets outplayed the Knicks there’s no other way around that.

by beefylennox on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, those were the correct calls! We have no disagreement there.

And the Nets were better than the Knicks yesterday! Absolutely. I never said otherwise.

But sorry, I do not want my players conducting themselves in a manner befitting of a WFAN caller.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Things I would expect a giants fan to say

Did you even watch the game? Guess you’re used to supporting poor teams getting lucky and beating good teams

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

you were trying to insult me, but actually I really did take this as a complement.

Because if you are saying that a Giant’s fan is expected to say they acknowledging that the responsibility of loosing is on the team that lost, then seriously thank you for thinking that.

Yes I did watch the game. And bad ref’n was not the reason we lost. We played poorly.

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by Giantssincesix on Feb 21, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're referring to my "Deron has a punchable face" comment, there was no context of blame behind it.

I have no qualms saying Deron had a fantastic game last night. I, and many others, knew he’d have a fantastic game. He just has a really punchable face. Sort of like Rick Fox.

I was also one of the guys in the game thread saying let’s chill with the ref talk early in the game, but as it went on, you don’t think it was frustrating how so many of those 50/50 calls went to NJ?

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by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all relative

Melo has a punchable face to Nets fans, doubt it’s that way for Knicks fans.

by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

uh, okay, never said it wasn't

How about this. Can we all at least agree Pedroia really looks like he could use a kick in the ass once a day?

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by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Humphires, Melo, Dwill, Bibby all have punchable faces.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

For what it's worth

It looks like even the espn guys were bored of the “knicks will be awful with melo” angle. They said it wasn’t melo’s fault quite a lot.

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

It's blindingly obvious

In fact, given the looks Melo got in the beginning and his assists, I’m actually pretty excited that he can take the Lin offense to another level. There was a glass ceiling with Bill Walker playing the SF position.

Now, the glass ceiling is Amar’e.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Let me try to make some sense of this for you guys

1. Amare: He is fine, his performances are more a product of the schedule than anything. He has had microfracture surgery and that messes with your recovery time. Amare has always struggled with Back to back games even in PHX. Given that this season is full of back to backs his performance will be what it is, still he is averaging 18 pts and 8 rebs a game which is solid. The Knicks just need to get to the playoffs where there will be more time between games and Amare will be fine.

2. Lin was flustered a little in this game which is to be expected as in terms of games played he is basically no more experienced than a rookie. Still overall I thought he recovered himself well. The kid is definitely legit and will be fine. I do think he tried a little too hard to “stay aggressive,” rather than letting it come more naturally. But overall the kid is gonna be good.

3. Carmelo was rusty as should be expected, but has appeared to buy into the offense. Some of those plays he didn’t make last night he will make soon.

4. JR was JR, the guy is streaky and last night looked like a guy who hadn’t had a practice.
5. Baron Davis looks healthy and moved much better than I expected, especially on defense. he is rustier than a WWII battleship, but he should be albe ot shake that rust off and be productive for us in due time.
6. Iman Shumpert was missed in this game, forget Deron Williams his defense on Stevenson would have come in handy early and may have changed the game.

7. I saw enough flashes that suggest with a little time and some work that this is going to be a really good team, and very dangerous come playoff time.

8. We actually picked up ground in the playoff race with a loss. The Knicks are now the 7th seed. So chill peoples. A few practices and a few games for some guys to shake off some rust and this is gonna be really fun. Oh by the Way, Landry Fields has solved his “can’t play with Melo problem”.

by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Oh by the Way, Landry Fields has solved his "can’t play with Melo problem".

Spot on, I agree with everything. But #8 really makes me laugh, seeing as I half believed the people that were saying we needed to trade Landry.

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by moose35 on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

8 solid points!

We should have put you in when we were having trouble generating offense…

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

A great, well thought out post once again!

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by Russ on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think by now, we all clear that it was because Melo can't play with anyone,

nor STAT haven’t got his magic back, nor Linsanity lost his sanity, or Novak lost his belts….

It’s the “Renaldo Balkman” factor, i called it… by waiving him, Knick had disturbed the Force…..

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by wanderboy on Feb 21, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Melo:
“I want Jeremy to have the ball,” he said. “I want him to create for me. I want him to create for Amar’e. There are gonna be times where I’m the distributor, but for the most part, I want Jeremy having the ball in his hands.”

This was clear from how he played, but it’s also good to hear him say it.

Also:

- Mike Breen on Linsanity: “We see so many signs! Nobody makes signs anymore!”.

I found this odd! I know Breen spends more time in the arena than I do, but the rate at which camerapeople focus on people with signs at games never seemed to die down during this supposed no-sign era…

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

When mike breen gets excited about something

He (adorably, to me) says it over and over again…like it’s the most interesting and profound revelation he’s ever discovered (i.e. how made demarcus cousins always looks).

by Jackaroe on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

There was a time when people were making Anti-Dolan signs that MSG security was

confiscating them a few years ago. But I agree there are usually quite a few folks with signs in the place on an average night.

by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Deron

Deron Williams torched lin. His defense is truly horrible, letting up 38 points! On a serious note, WHY DO ALL KNICK FANS HATE HUMP he did nothing wrong!

by netsjets24 on Feb 21, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

thats cause

thats cause knick fans were booing him all game. EVEN BEFORE he became a douche haha like for example in the preseason at MSG that was atrocious!

by netsjets24 on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

"He did nothing wrong"

Again, he shushed the crowd after a made free throw.

by Joamiq on Feb 21, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s pretty circular, the guy is right in saying that they hated him wayyyy before he shushed the crowd and his shush was in fact caused by that hate

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I can't speak for all Knicks fans

When we played them in the preseason I said on the gamethread that I felt bad for him getting booed. But lots of players get booed all the time by opposing fans, often for silly reasons. Did Isiah Thomas shush the crowd when the Garden was relentlessly booing him? Regardless of the way you’re treated by an opposing crowd, if you show them up, that counts as something “wrong” in my book. That was the moment I started hating Kris Humphries. I didn’t really care about him before, but the moment you start trying to show up the Garden crowd, you’re done in my book.

by Joamiq on Feb 23, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

actually in that pre-season game in the game thread here we were all going "Wtf?" too

It was mean-spirited out of nowhere. It was HILARIOUS for like a few seconds, but then after a while it just got kind of awkward and confusing.

Now though…fuck him. He is doing very well for you guys, though. Don’t know why you kept him in limbo for so long during the off-season.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with this whole evolution of thought

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If Lin's defense is so horrible

How did he shut down Deron the first time?

Better yet, how did he manage 21, 9,7,4 (with just 3 turnovers) on the other end if Williams is so much better than him?

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

er..no.

Lin’s defense is pretty damn good. Williams hit 8 3pters with a hand in his face and even Sundiata fucking Gains did too.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

His defense is pretty damn good and his defense also isn’t to blame for the majority of that 3 parade, however it did seem to me like he had less on the defensive end than usual last night. I think his legs were a bit tired from the Mavs game personally.

by paxon on Feb 21, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty damn good is pushing it

He’s a better than average player on the defensive end who has areas he needs to work on.

I do believe he has the athleticism and size to be a very capable defender. But he will never be lock down. He doesn’t have freakish length or speed. But it’s more than adequate.

Yesterday, he wasn’t really taken to school by D-Will one-on-one. In fact, he was solid playing D-Will on the ball. The problems were when D-Will ran all over the place through screens en route to open 3’s. I think Lin adjusted well and did a better job fighting through those as the game wore on, but I’m sure his fatigue from back-to-backs came into play as well.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

there is no PG in the NBA that's a lock down defender

the level of PG play is too good, or at least the rules make it so that they can be that good. Lin’s not as good as it gets, but he’s pretty damn good.

Again, kid’s a rookie. People need to realize that and for a rookie, he’s pretty damn good.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess we're onto semantics

Still, I’d place him at least on par with Felton as a defender with the potential to be much better.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 21, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's basically the story for Lin on D

Very good on the ball, lacks a bit of awareness off the ball. He’ll work on it, I’m sure.

by Joamiq on Feb 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

What color Jersey was he wearing last night.

Save it for Nets home games, you guys can cheer the opposing team. I like the Garden the way it was last night. Opposing players should come into MSG and feel lucky that they escaped with their lives and their wallets. I am so glad this hey lets cheer for the other team’s guys shit is over. 3 years ago Deron Williams would have been hearing MVP Chants! SMH

by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

Lin was on Deron williams early on and got caught up in the screen. Then they put other guys on Williams like Landry, then JR smith and Melo. Lin also guarded Williams later on but not as much as he did early. All those guys had a hand up on William’s face later in the game when he was just draining 3’s. Nothing you can do. Hell Lin tried to be slight more aggressive on Williams and touched his arm and got called on a foul. There was no guarding Williams yesterday and the refs didn’t help either.

by lololol on Feb 21, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he just got lucky last monday night

both deron and kardashian are douchebags, no doubt. i just console myself with the fact that they are a shitty feam and will contine to do so for the foreseeable future.

"the best there is, the best there was, the best there ever will be."

by mindcontrolproject on Feb 21, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the actual game now...

I never really understood why Humphries got booed so much, I mean does a reality show make someone a public enemy…. and then I watched him play. This guy is just a complete douche. Seriously, starting shit, playing dirty and just having this annoying smirk on his face. Idk what the hell he did on the reality show (I read that there were some gay slurs though), but I do think this guy deserves boos, complete asshole.
-Like I said in the post-game thread, there’s a reason I’m not too mad about this loss. I saw some encouraging things between Lin and Melo (and a little w Amar’e). Our guys missed a lot of open looks (JR and Novak will make most of those usually), the refs called a horrible game (from our side) and the Nets hit a ridiculous amount of 3s. I don’t care that they’re the Nets because honestly/sadly it’s near impossible to beat any team with those 3 things happening at the same time.
-Really happy to see Melo make an assertive effort to get Jeremy the ball. He might even done it too much, but it’s encouraging none the less. Once he gets the rust off I think this will be a thing of a beauty.
-Amar’e’s help defense was putrid. Wow. Tyson and Jared did a good job of protecting the rim while they were in (although IRC there were a lot of offensive rebounds). It’s amazing how beautiful Amar’e’s jumper is when he sets his feet… and how ugly it is when he’s not set. And speaking of volleyball plays, I liked that heads up tap to Landry (I think it was Landry
fuzzy memory right now).
JR didn’t have a good shooting night but gave good effort on defense, did a good job playing PG essentially in the end and got some good looks. I think it’s hard to ask a guy who came over from China a few days ago to play in the NBA, let alone back to backs.
-Lin had an under-rated game. His defense was horrible at first but his passing was good and he had good control (less turnovers
maybe because Melo has the ball some now). Love seeing guards get a lot of boards (Landry and Lin were great on the boards). I also thought he shot pretty well, despite what the boxscore said. I know what my eyes saw!
-I didn’t like what I saw from Baron. I love that he looked healthy and trim, but it’s a bad sign that his first two shots were long jumpers. But I love that celebration lol. Maybe his role is a little different being the PG off the bench and will be asked to score more (which I don’t agree with at all because with Lin out we desperately need playmaking).
-For some reason I love seeing D’Antoni get mad, mainly because when he’s not mad he always looks disinterested and that pisses me off. I’m not even one of those D’Antoni haters, but it’s annoying looking a coach look like he could care less on the sidelines.

At this point it’s either finish above .500 or under by the ASG. I do think the ATL and MIA games are huge momentum-wise, we shall see though.

Also any word on if Shump is still in the dunk contest?? I read Moke Hamilton tweet that he probably will (because teh winner gets $100k), but if his knee is bad he shouldn’t risk it. JR can always replace him lol

by hvino on Feb 21, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

um idk why all that got crossed out (here's a copy)

I never really understood why Humphries got booed so much, I mean does a reality show make someone a public enemy…. and then I watched him play. This guy is just a complete douche. Seriously, starting shit, playing dirty and just having this annoying smirk on his face. Idk what the hell he did on the reality show (I read that there were some gay slurs though), but I do think this guy deserves boos, complete asshole.
-Like I said in the post-game thread, there’s a reason I’m not too mad about this loss. I saw some encouraging things between Lin and Melo (and a little w Amar’e). Our guys missed a lot of open looks (JR and Novak will make most of those usually), the refs called a horrible game (from our side) and the Nets hit a ridiculous amount of 3s. I don’t care that they’re the Nets because honestly/sadly it’s near impossible to beat any team with those 3 things happening at the same time.
-Really happy to see Melo make an assertive effort to get Jeremy the ball. He might even done it too much, but it’s encouraging none the less. Once he gets the rust off I think this will be a thing of a beauty.
-Amar’e’s help defense was putrid. Wow. Tyson and Jared did a good job of protecting the rim while they were in (although IRC there were a lot of offensive rebounds). It’s amazing how beautiful Amar’e’s jumper is when he sets his feet… and how ugly it is when he’s not set. And speaking of volleyball plays, I liked that heads up tap to Landry (I think it was Landry fuzzy memory right now).
JR didn’t have a good shooting night but gave good effort on defense, did a good job playing PG essentially in the end and got some good looks. I think it’s hard to ask a guy who came over from China a few days ago to play in the NBA, let alone back to backs.
-Lin had an under-rated game. His defense was horrible at first but his passing was good and he had good control (less turnovers maybe because Melo has the ball some now).

by hvino on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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