Knicks-Nets Leftovers
by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST
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This one isn't quite out of my system and, in my post-game despair, I think I glossed over some good stuff, so take the jump if you want to keep talking about last night.
- I think I undersold Baron Davis in the recap, so let's talk about his game in more detail. His first play was a heaved fall-away jumper, which probably caused a lot of people to be like "OHH, BARON", but look back at it and you'll see that everybody inexplicably froze away from the ball, like they all wanted Baron to just get an ill-advised jumper out of his system before they started running offense. After that, even though the Knick offense sputtered, I thought the point guard upgrade was readily evident. Davis got into the lane a few times and made some nice kick-out passes to open guys that just didn't amount to baskets for one reason or another. And again, if the second unit is even getting quality open looks, then something has changed for the better, right?
Also, I've been waiting for good video for Baron's three-pointer celebration, but this is the best one I can find right now:
In case you missed it:
(HD if you want it). Yes, that is Baron pretending to hit a joint with three fingers raised. I like Baron Davis and I'm happy he's a Knick.
- The starting lineup really should grow into a pick-and-roll bonanza. We saw glimpses of it in last night's first quarter. Tyson Chandler'd set a screen for Jeremy Lin on one side of the floor, the defense would come help, then the ball would reverse to Carmelo Anthony or Landry Fields, who'd run a quick weak side pick-and-roll with Amar'e. We saw all sorts of mixing and matching, including a couple instances of Melo as the screener. I just...how could that NOT turn into something beautiful with practice?
- Speaking of which, the Knicks aren't practicing today, which is a bummer. I suppose a day off is needed between successive back-to-backs, but the guys could really use some repetitions with each other before facing Atlanta and Miami. That's gonna be rough.
- Another gem that shan't be forgotten despite the outcome: Landry Fields's aerial flogging of Kris Humphries.
Why oh why wasn't that a turning point? Well, Landry missed the free throw that would have cut it to six, then ran right into Jared Jeffries while attempting a lay-up on the next possession (if I remember correctly). Then the Knicks couldn't stop Humphries and then...
10 points in 45 seconds. What a dick!
- It disheartens me to see folks giving up on Amar'e Stoudemire. I don't have much more to say about that. His defense is as bad as ever, and I can see that he hasn't been lively at all on offense, but I just can't believe that something is lost, rather than just temporarily missing.
- In a somewhat related note, the idea that anybody-- after all that's led up to this point-- would be in favor of another massive trade involving anybody on this team baffles me.
- Matt Moore's quick examination of spacing and shot selection as they relate to Melo is worth a look.
- Check out Zach Lowe's analysis, too. He's got movies.
So, that's pretty much what's still on my mind the morning after a weird, frustrating night of basketball. I very badly wish I could flip ahead a few pages to see if this season's narrative has another upward arc on the way (because I really feel like it does), but we must be prepared to sit through some sputtering and on-the-fly learning if this is headed anywhere.
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Definitely check out that Zach Lowe post, y'all
by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Don't think Amar'e's gone.
I just can’t figure out. I always have a debate. It’s pretty clearly mental, so is it our business to even figure it out? Whatever it is, let’s just hope that he can rebound (no pun intended).
Still. Fvck Deron Williams.
PS How’d you find that sick video with the awesome fire at the end? And the perfect, just slightly outdated techno music?
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
with Amar'e
it’s a situation of him having a LOT of things going against him starting from last season until his brothers death
1) late season injury
2) off season rehab
3) almost no team practice/rehab
4) shortened season
5) no PG (for a bit)
6) brothers death
that’s a lot of things going against one guy.
i know in a lot of sports when a player gets a bad injury then surgery/rehabs in that first summer that first season after is kind of spent getting their flow back. That second and proper off season after a “training/relearning” season, THATs when they get back in full force.
These things are all true
But 3 things you listed, everyone dealt with as well. I don’t know. The only thing that does convince me is his brother’s death. But the thing with that is…Amar’e hasn’t been Amar’e all season. Landry kicked it into gear 10 games ago now, Shump is now a late-game presence (damn I love him, just picked up his jersey), and Lin has come out of nowhere. The team is stepping up, I just wish that Amar’e (who I lovelovelove no matter what and also have his jersey) would be a more of a leader.
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
that's fair but
i also left out the age/wear thing cuz i didnt wanna believe/admit it. doing ALL that when you’re older is not as easy as being a Lin/Shump/Fields at age 23 MAX
he’s had all those, the biggest is probably the brother thing and the back/offseason
I don't want to believe it's his age either
aaaggggghhhh
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's gotta be a part of it
He certainly couldn’t get off the floor last year quite like he could in previous years. The guy’s still playing on homemade knee cartilage. I just don’t think that alone can account for all of what we’re seeing. But I’m eternally hopeful, ya know, so maybe I’m trying to talk myself into this.
His best years are behind him, but that doesn't mean he can't learn how to be productive with what he has.
I’m hopeful, but it will take some adjustment.
by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 21, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can see it now
“Group of 100 found dead, identified at P&T’ers, searching for Fountain of Youth for Amar’e Stoudemire”
Tragedy
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like to imagine homemade knee cartilage is made entirely of silly putty.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well then it should hold pretty damn well.
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@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
And when he knees Humphries in the face on the way to a dunk, there'll be a nice imprint of it to last the whole game!
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
even with the late season injury
and the extended summer rehabs, Amar’e also added muscle weight which is probably hindering his agility. it looks to have affected his shot. its nice that he came back feeling like a “BEAST” but he hasnt fit well in his "BEAST"ness.
by blackhova on Feb 21, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
very fair
lithe is better for him.
he was also dealing last year more of then not with the 5’s. the guys who were “bigger” but slower. so he could move around them.
this year it’s him slower versus the 4s AND the 5s helping out..
im guessing he did that not knowing we were getting Tyson Chandler
preparing himself to physically battle the other centers in the league
by blackhova on Feb 21, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Amare has accepted his role in the offense
last season he was the primary option. This year he is the 2nd,3rd, and sometimes 4th guy. But Zach Lowe’s piece actually shows Amare actually is not getting all the shots that open up for him in the offense. That is something that is easy to fix.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
So what's your explanation for Amar'e, Seth?
As a Knicks fan, this is what really keeps me up at night. The guy is a shell of his former self. I mean it’s one thing if his jumper’s off (and it is), but Amar’e Stoudemire getting blocked at the rim? Not imposing his will and footprints all over Humphries’ face?
Mentality is one thing, shot rustiness is another, but it’s his lack of physical domination that is troubling. How could this be temporary? I hope it is.
Also, this was a horrible, horrible loss. Beating the Hawks will be tough and beating the Heat will be damn near impossible. If Melo can’t stick Deshawn Stevenson, how’s he going to handle Lebron? Hopefully Shumpert will be back because Wade will torch Landry/JR otherwise.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
In my estimation:
1. He didn’t practice much and put on weight over the offseason
2. His back is still bugging him
3. (More recently) he’s gone through an immense personal tragedy
I think it’s some combination of the above. Let’s also not forget that he played splendidly in the games leading up to his brother’s death.
by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And #3 is a big, big thing, and it's going to continue to be.
That can’t be overlooked. The guy is suffering.
by Seth on Feb 21, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it can't be overlooked
but the truth is this was going on well before that.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely, but he seemed like he was getting comfortable in the week or two before his brother's accident.
He played pretty solidly and even had some ridiculous athletic plays in the last week of January and first few days of February.
I can relate
While I’ve never lost a sibling, when I’ve lost close friends I was a wreck for days. Things like basketball seem trivial; you can’t focus on them. Hell, I could barely function.
That said, lord help the other teams when he goes out of shock and into the “anger” stage. That’s when playing a physical game gives you an outlet for all the stress and frustration. It may actually NOT be good for the Knicks as he might get into foul trouble and overplay finesse plays, but he’ll crack a few skulls in the paint.
by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Too bad
That didn’t come in time for the Nets game. Would have loved to see him facestomp Humphries.
Not that I’m trying to trivialize Amar’e’s grief.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Can't really time it
If I’m reading Amar’e right, the Nets really weren’t on his mind to begin with. Deron’s antics are a damned ZIT compared to the loss of a brother. Four days or whatever time he took off isn’t really adequate either. Some people are better equipped at coping with death than others, but it certainly isn’t something you scout for!
Unfortunately I think a tough schedule will only delay the catharsis that needs to happen. Workaholics have been known to focus on work to get their mind off grieving, but that doesn’t help so much as delay confronting the issues. Obviously Amar’e isn’t doing that, but the compressed schedule is going to cut into the “curl into a ball and cry in a dark corner” time. He’s not gonna openly mourn in front of his teammates. But he’s not a machine either, so if the team doesn’t find a way to manage his grief then there’s a legit concern his stress will fester.
by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
is it wrong to hope that anger stage kicks in around the playoffs?
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
His best game of the season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8EO4t1M3cc
If you watch the plays, he doesn’t have that much explosion, but he’s still quick and in-rhythm. I think the rhythm thing is especially important for him. The extra weight could definitely be affecting his lift too. Imagine trying to jump like he does, with an extra 15 points attached to you.
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I think your have to add in that he has a somewhat undefined roll at the moment. We don’t really run plays for him, and he seems to be sort of unsure about where he should be and what he should be doing a lot of the time. Its tough to be in rhythm with your jumper when you don’t know where or when you’re supposed to get it. I think when the offense stabalizes and Amare’s role becomes more defined, he’ll begin to produce more like we expect.
to be fair
and this goes for every PG we’ve had here since AMar’e’s been a Knick, not one fucking time has a PG hit him consistently on the PnR. None of them. They hit Chandler, they hit Turiaf, they hit Jeffries. But not Amar’e.
Maybe that’s on Amar’e. But IMO its on the PG to know how the roll man’s gonna roll.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
This is a good point.
As Lowe’s piece points out, there are going to be pick and rolls were Amare can be useful if he finds the right spot and moves right off the ball. If the Knicks can figure that out, I think that’ll go a long way towards easing his troubles.
Amare is not going to get as many plays run for him
He is a secondary scorer now and as such his 18 points a game is solid. He basically if you looked at the Lowe piece is being used as a safety valve, when D’Antoni runs the Lin/Chandler pick and roll or when they run plays for Carmelo. It is imperative for his teammates to find him when the initial play breaks down and he’s open. Several instances last night Amare was basically open and didn’t get the ball or got the ball late after the defense recovered. I do agree with you that once these guys get in sync they will do a better job finding Amare in these open areas.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for saying this cause...
I felt like I was the only one noticing he is WIDE open at times and the ball doesn’t come his way or it gets there late.
by Mizzie on Feb 21, 2012 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not just you. He does jumping jacks about 2-3 times a game, and if it frustrates ME he must be dying.
But I’ve never heard him complain and only keeps talking team concept and team defense. Love the guy.
Just wish he’d read a history book on defense.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
by GAx on Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think its his knees
he plays scared that he might injure them again, so he doesnt push, he plays like default, i always watch his moves off and on the ball, he avoids putting presure to his knees, he is way too carefull, i mean look at his D, he doesnt try to rebound on the rim, he just watches the ball, and this got nothing to do with his brothers death or some other reason. And in the O, i dont remember him elevating with 1 leg off the ground, its always the safe 2 leg thing. I remember one moment in the Dallas game, i think it was 4th quarter, he lost balance or something like that and fall, but he didnt even try to use his legs for support, he just avoided landing with his legs and fall on chest.
Zach Lowe is very smart.
Makes my tummy turn to watch all those.
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
Anthony as the screener should be the new staple of the offense.
Do that clear out PnR to one side with Anthony as the screener. That shit is indefensible. Dude is hard enough to guard when he iso’s and lets you set your entire defense to stop him. Doing a PnR with him setting a screen and a hard cutting Amare off-ball should be like shootin fish in a barrel.
Lowe said it in his piece
But it’s so terribly obvious when he does that. But then again, is it so confusing that it could work? Intriguing.
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@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I figured the Nets game for a practice game anyway
I figured they’d win, but getting all these guys back, also not having Shump who’s a god damn good player as well as Chandler’s early foul trouble, that spelled the loss IMO.
Baron only played 9 minutes but you can really tell that simply having a competent PG as the backup makes the transition from Lin to the 2nd unit that much more smooth, even with Baron in his current state. THat was really to be expected, but given its the Knicks it was surprising it actually happened.
We’ll be fine. I agree with all that there’s something wrong with Amar’e. Its no doubt mental cuz his shots arent’ far off and he does have that elite quickness from the start to the finish of games. There’s something between the ears that’s wrong. It was going on before the tragedy with his brother, the back injury, the weight game and the height increase too. It actually started to occur once that dude from Denver came over.
Maybe there isn’t enough space for “2 Kings” in NY?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
its possible that Chris Bosh'ing Amar'e is just something he's gonna have to overcome
a lesser man, aka Chris Bosh, might be OK with it and eventually be able to find his way. But will Amar’e?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Feb 21, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Fields dunk deserves to be higher that Blakes dunk.
Everyone took a step back and let him dunk. Landry threw it down on that Kardashian guy.
thank you
Seth, you are one funny and entertaining writer. Just wanted to say my thanks for this blog – all you guys bring some much needed analysis and fun to whas going on w the Knicks. I know a lot of people who read you guys but don’t post… we eagerly anticipate each post game write-up.
^I see what you did there
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Seeing Baron Davis come into the game made my eyes fall out of their sockets
And watching him play, well that was magical. I know he wasn’t very effective, but he doesn’t even really look like a basketball player anymore. Its like the “Most Interesting Man in the World” decided to give playing ball a try. His game is just so graceful, so entertaining to watch. I mean, who else has enough swag to shoot from 10 feet behind the arc, and pull out a celebration like that.
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I had the same reaction.
It was so wacky to me. It was like it was 1979 and some former ABA star from way back in the day decided to step on the court again. Hopefully I become more comfortable with the notion of him leading the second unit going forward. I think this could be the start of a beautiful thing.
Baron Davis is gonna be very good for us once he shakes off the rust
Realize the guy basically hasn’t played competitive basketball since last April. he was rusty as hell last night and a little bit tentative i thought, but he was still even then an upgrade over Bibby/Douglas/Shumpert running the point. He actually looked to get into the lane and dish. Have we seen Douglas do that all season?
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
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Off topic but interesting (Sorry)...
Over at charity buzz (http://www.charitybuzz.com/catalog_items/294613) someone is about to spend 40 grand to meet Jeremy Lin, see the Hawks game (with 3 friend), and get a jersey Lin wore in the LA game. Sounds like a……um….bargain???
Last night sucked...
but I’m not worried. There will be nights like that.
Amar’e will get his form back, Melo was pretty rusty, Lin was dog tired, Baron hasn’t played in a year, JR is still on China time and getting used to the team, Tyson had foul trouble, Iman was out, Landry played well, Novak was cold…..and Deron was on fire, and the Nets were 50% from 3/ What’re you going to do?
I still think we are headed in a positive direction.
You wait for a night an NBA team fires on all cylinders and you'll wait a long time
An NBA team with everyone streaking & healthy is an exception, not the rule. If we’re going to make excuses, consider the Nets were without their best inside player.
There were a lot of reasons why the Knicks lost, some controllable, some uncontrollable, some that can be waited out, some that can’t. So I’m not blaming any individual, but when a team loses a game it should win, it’s OK to call it a disappointment.
by dragonchild on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
They lost because they lost. simple as that.
Frankly D’Antoni nailed it in his postgame when he said they didn’t play with energy especially on defense. He basically said they lost because:
A) Their defense wasn’t very good last night
B) The Nets simply played harder.
It happens especially in a season like this.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not worried, OK
but discouraged, allarmed, confussed, depressed, dispairing (which is what Seth is feeling), disgusted, troubled, vexed, appaled, heart broken. Etc? Well I’m not either.
Give D. Will his due. The Knicks were taken down by a guy who stepped into the ZONE and never stepped out. And the guy who bitch slapped him 9 games back (Lin) was brought back to earth. Humbling but I think that Lin is a humble dude. I guess I’m saying the same as you.
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I feel like i am the last one left at the base of the tower of Babel
That T on Chandler is infuriating
Sportsmanshhhiiiiiiiiiippp
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@krishhhayyy
Yeah, it's really obnoxious
The guy does so many wonderful things to make up for it, but his tendency to get frustrated and do dumb shit gets pretty aggravating.
Bison get ROWDY
he can do things like that forever and always and i will love him forever and always.
It's probably been said
and maybe it’s too late to carp about a nickname with any measure of momentum. But I’m reading that and thinking about Bison Dele.
That was... weird
Looks like he was trying to make peace with Humphries, but still get into his head a little bit, Like he felt bad or something. But go over to the Nets bench and basically sit down with them? What?
I'm pickin up good vibrations!!!!!!!!! Lin's giving me excitations!!!!!!!!!!!
@giametta88
by Melo Fellow on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but I just don't buy that he was there to start anything
He’s just a ol country farm boy to me
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I don't get why he was so relentless in his pursuit of him
But he really looked more like he wanted to urgently discuss something with him, not start shit. His demeanor was one of pleading, not anger. He still needs to control himself better and not do stuff like that, especially with a douche like Humphries who isn’t going to discuss anything with you like a proper gentleman anydangway, but giving someone a T for grabbing a guy’s arm to try to get his attention to talk to him was a bit puzzling to me.
A few things about the game
I saw rhythm on offense and good movement at times. On the possessions that guys were rotating, for example: Tyson shifts to take the pick and roll, Lin w/ ball and everyone shifts in sync, we scored. This allowed Lin to make a play or get the ball to guys to make a play. Tonight Fields, JR, Stat were big factors in this game, with the other guys being a more collective effort. It felt like we stayed in this game about 80% of the game. While we were in this, we did not take advantage when we were like 6 points behind and allowed Deron to quickly score a few threes. This was a very physical game all the way through, and I think the Knicks will need a full day of practice to get some of the guys a little more in the game. We will see a different team tomorrow IMO.
I'm pickin up good vibrations!!!!!!!!! Lin's giving me excitations!!!!!!!!!!!
@giametta88
Sticking to what's the situation now
Melo/STAT/Chandler/SmiVak/Linsanity SHOULD be a dominating offensive powerhouse. It’s not there for a number of reasons that’ve been hashed and re-hashed, but consider that the two superstars (Melo and STAT) are playing pedestrian. The team “looks good” on paper IF they were playing up to expectations, but if this is the expectation:
Superstar/Superstar/Monster/DeadEye/Linsanity!!
. . . then this is the reality:
Rusty/Struggling/Monster/Cold/Rookie
Ugh. They’re not playing up to their potential, but they’re actually outperforming their current state. About the only consistently good factor all SEASON has been Chandler.
Here’s hoping the frontcourt get it together, and there’s something to be said for being patient. . . but right now the team doesn’t have much in the way of superstars because the forwards are, in fact, pedestrian. Not BAD, just. . . average. Again, we all hope there are superstars inside those hollow shells and history says there are, but they’re very pedestrian forwards NOW. Meanwhile, pretty much every NBA team, even the worst, has at least one guy who can dominate the game. The guys on the Knicks who can do that are in a funk, and Lin — despite being an incredible surpise — falls short of that expectation. We got spoiled when teams didn’t know what to do with him but now that he’s a known factor it’s too much to expect every night. The Knicks had a good run that elevated them from one of the cellar-dwellers to a playoff contender (I don’t think any team wants to play them in the first round right now), but among playoff contenders they still have a long way to go. (On one hand it’s incredible that these things can be said given where they were two weeks ago, but on the other, it’s frustrating that Linsanity could come out of nowhere yet the Knicks can’t make the most of it because of injuries.)
As Seth said earlier, this team is going to struggle for a while, and it’s on the forwards to get back into form because the team NEEDS them to.
Do not worry my friend
Championships are won and lost in May and June not February. Worry if everything you just described is still the case in May. Something tells me it will not be, but worry then.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think that the return of Baron led to the end of Humpty?
I mean, you can only have one weed smoking mascot per team. With Baron coming back, we had to let Balkman go.
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i think this was as Seth described it
It was an experiment, trying different lineups, busting barons knick cherry. There wasn’t much cohesion cuz it was just kind of figuring out the rotation, which I don’t envy dantoni, that is tough. Is it me or does baron Davis look maaaad old without his head band?
by Phillip P on Feb 21, 2012 12:03 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Tyson Chandler
Is like that crazy friend you go out drinking with, and once somebody pisses him off even slightly, there’s no telling what will happen. You just kind of stand between him and the person he’s pissed off at and hope he doesn’t do anything stupid.
Anytime I see a foul on Tyson called, I hold my breath and hope he doesn’t try to impersonate Rondo. Cause if Tyson chucked the ball at a ref yesterday, the refs would probably order the Knicks fan to leave the building when Humphries starts shooting FTs.
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You know what I want to see?
Remember in Space Jam when the Monstars crush Michael Jordan into a ball and throw alley oops to each other and slam him on the ground?
WOULD LOVE TO SEE CHANDLER DO THAT TO MR. KARDASHIAN
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Nets fan here..
Knick fans have a right to hate us, it’s a rivalry you’re not supposed to like us and were not supposed to like you…but when some Knick fans say “how the fuck did we lose to a D-League team?!” that pisses me off. Us Nets fans know our team is bad, we don’t brag about our roster. Sure we are very excited for Brooklyn and that Dwight wants to play here but we aren’t a D-League team…we have been riddled with injuries all season. We won because we played better, and yes I agree the Knicks should’ve got a lot more calls but what can you do? im looking forward to having a Nets-Knicks rivalry the next decade and both having competitive teams, how cool would a Nets-Knicks ECF be? lol but yeah I come in peace, not trying to troll or talk shit. You guys have a very good team, and you’re record doesn’t show it but at least you’re in the playoffs XD
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by "NetsNation" on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I understand your point
but I have a habit of going over to opponent blogs after the game, just to read what other teams are posting. I have heard a plethora of negative comments, regarding our team. Especially when the Knicks were 8-15, and for last decade. My two cents..it is what it is….people will talk no matter what they say….I hate the Nets with a passion.. I constantly berate my buddies on their D-league team. I also hate Kris Humphries for no good reason. Yesterday they got back at me with all their jeering. I had to suck it up and take it like a man. Despite the disappointment
I see your a Giants fan like some of us. YOU should go and read what bleeding green nation says about the Giant’s superbowl win.
Welcome to the world of sports!
I hope Deron William breaks his shooting hand this season.
good day
Beard of Baron
Ehh I dont want to start a debate.
Because i have to use all my will power to not comment on BGN. It’s the big blue pride talking.
Beard of Baron
they aren't that bad
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
Iman Shumpert is a first ballot hall of famer
a point guard within a point guard within a taco bell within a kfc, its Linception
by metseaglesknicks on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
true
no one’s as bad as eagle fans
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I know a good reason why you hate Hump...
Cuz he’s a beast
by netsfanrasmus on Feb 21, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
welcome
only under the condition that you can admit the officiating was god awful all game
no youre right the officiating was very bad
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by "NetsNation" on Feb 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a rivalry
And it won’t be until both the Knicks and the Nets are contenders at the same time.
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The fans?
I really don’t know any Knicks fans who feel animosity towards the Nets. It might be true for Nets fans, but that kind of makes it a one way rivalry.
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I'm a Knick Fan
who thrives in seeing the Nets suffer, as well as Philly and Boston…they are in our division for christ sakes. That’s like liking the cowboys, redskins, or eagles.
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Oh, I thought that he was talking about the fans
As far as the players go, if they really feel that way, let’s make the next game a cage match!
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We got Jorts Harrellson
We win
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by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is kind of the first game I saw that
And I doubt it was the professional athletes on the NY team hating their peers from the NJ side just because they’re Nets. The days of Clyde-like hate against the Celtics are over.
It was because they were beating the shit out of the Knicks and weren’t getting called for it, and then being smug about it and continuing to hack. Chandler was getting his wrists SLAPPED THE SHIT out of and got like…2 calls or something. I mean this isn’t kindergarten, but it must be doubly frustrating to play with heavily taped wrists, keep getting them slapped, but your taking the pain for nothing because they don’t turn out to be fouls.
By the end when Humphries elbowed him, and then kept that elbow high into his face again….I guess I’m alone but I don’t blame him for getting heated like he did.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Yeah, I never saw that until last night.
And I think he has more to do with Deron and Hump being jerks than anything else. Yeah, Chandler got hot headed, but have you ever seen him try to show up an away crowd?
Deron, too
I don’t think Melo likes him, going back to Utah-Denver rivalry days.
Moreover, notice how whenever you hear the big stars mentioned as friends (i.e. Kobe and Melo, Lebron, CP3, Wade, etc) you never hear Williams mentioned with them. May just be me, but it coudl be validation of the D-Will-is-a-douche theory
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Kobe isn't friends with anybody, not really anyway
and Wayde, Lebron and Bosh are all kind of jerks to Amar’e too.
http://phoenix.fanster.com/2010/06/01/amare-crash-wade-bosh-lebrons-party-partys-canceled/
I think Kobe and Melo are actually friends.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Ummm
It’s not a rivalry
And it won’t be until both the Knicks and the Nets are contenders at the same time.
While I get your point, you couldn’t tell either of the teams thought that. That was one of the most physical games of the season. You only get those kinds of games between rivals.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking about the fans
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Knicks fans anyway
It’s the Nets fans who think that there is a rivalry.
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Except one thing
I really don’t get the feeling the Nets earned it. Sure Deron had a monster game, but it’s not like the Nets did anything remarkable otherwise. If anything, that’s kind of unfortunate for the Nets as well — I mean, they’ll take the win, but like this? Even if they deserved to win, to have the game dictated like that means there’s no way they can get any respect for it. Deron’s efforts were wasted because no Knick fan feels like the game would’ve been lost if the Knicks were given a fair shot.
Basically, the way the fouls were called I don’t feel “robbed” in the sense of “boo the Knicks were screwed” (if they wanted it that badly there were a number of things they could’ve done better) so much as I don’t feel like a game was played at all. And you can see it on their faces.
And the Nets ARE a bad team. They’re where the Knicks were before the emergence of Lin. That’s not exactly an insult coming from me (crap at least you HAVE a team; I’m a Seattle native), though I can’t speak for others.
I appreciate your sporting nature, but I'd say
you really shouldn’t take so much offense to us calling the Nets a D-League team on here. If we’re going over to Nets Daily and trolling that’s another thing, but we don’t do it here with the intent to insult Nets fans. You know how it is, fans exaggerate stuff, especially when talking amongst themselves.
im banned from NetsDaily for cursing lol so fuck them the moderator is a d-bag, this site is cool though
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by "NetsNation" on Feb 21, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
If you're a fan of the Knicks/Nets, you need to curse once in a while
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Dear Nets fan
thank you for refraining from the usual trolling, but for the 1000th time, there isn’t a Rivalry between the Knicks and the Nets. I have been a Knick fan for a very long time and I cannot once ever remember there being a rivalry between our two teams. I remember back in the day hating the Celtics, Bullets, and Lakers in the 70s. Boston hate was pretty high in the 80s still. Then there was that whole thing with the Bulls, Pacers, and Heat in the 90s. But honestly I cannot ever remember a rivalry with the Nets. I am about the most rabid Knicks fan there is and frankly, I don’t hate the Nets at all. Oh sure I want us to beat you guys by a 100 every time we play you, but then again I also want us to beat the Timberwolves like that and there is no rivalry between us and Minnesota. I guess what I am trying to say friend is Rivalry’s are not really spawned by geography but playoff battles in the NBA. And since the Nets have joined the NBA there have been so few occurrences where both the Knicks and the Nets have been good enough to play for something that mattered that their really isn’t a rivalry. When the Knicks and Nets are both good and battling each other in the Eastern conference finals on a regular then we’ll have a good old fashion Rivalry. But as for now, really you guys are just another game on the schedule as really we should be to you. There just simply isn’t a whole lot of mutual heartbreak between these two teams to matter.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not disagreeing, but....
Rivalry’s are not really spawned by geography but playoff battles in the NBA.
What do you make of the Lakers-Clippers rivalry that seems to be spawning? I think there could potentially be a rivalry between the Knicks and Nets, but neither of the teams are very good at the same time
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The Lakers and Clippers do not have a rivalry that is media hype
When the Lakers and Clippers have a few years when they meet in the playoffs and someone sends the other home, then they will have a rivalry. My point about Knicks/Nets is there have been far too few games between the two franchises where the outcome really mattered for there to be a rivalry. How many times have they met with the Atlantic division title on the line? How many times have they met deep in the conference playoffs? Sure the Knicks and Nets have met a couple of times in the first round of the playoffs, but each time one team was so much better than the other the outcome of those series was a foregone conclusion before it started. When the Knicks and Nets can both have top notch caliber teams at the same time competing against each other for something meaningful then we can talk rivalry. For all the Bluster between the owners, the Nets appear headed for the draft lottery again and the Knicks unless they hit their stride in the second half a low playoff seed and possibly an early exit. Not the stuff of rivalries. Hell you don’t even have a Daivid vs Goliath story going to fuel a rivalry. By the Way the Clippers and Lakers in your example are both likely to make the playoffs, are competing right now for the Division title and if the seeding stays the same may actually meet with an intriguing story line in the playoffs. The Lakers the aging former champs trying to hang on to their dreams of Championship glory and the Clippers the young upstarts threatening to usher in a changing of the guard in the Western conference! That’s rivalry building stuff.
by Robert Curre on Feb 22, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I was just saying that the Clippers and Lakers games this season have been a bit heated and competitive. They’ve never met in the playoffs (at least recently) but it seems like a rivalry is starting because each team is trying to maintain top status in the city and the division.
I think location could eventually play a part in a rivalry between the Knicks and Nets if they’re ever good at the same time
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I found this hilarious... not sure if it was posted yet
http://knicksnow.com/videos/575 Wait for Fields comment about Jorts
I'm pickin up good vibrations!!!!!!!!! Lin's giving me excitations!!!!!!!!!!!
@giametta88
I smiled like a chipper little bunny
that has a basket full of baby carrots to nibble on
I'm pickin up good vibrations!!!!!!!!! Lin's giving me excitations!!!!!!!!!!!
@giametta88
off he goes
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
first comment on last two posts MWAHAHAHHA
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Haha that was awesome
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I just feel like every time we get positive momentum
Shit like this happens
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
Iman Shumpert is a first ballot hall of famer
a point guard within a point guard within a taco bell within a kfc, its Linception
by metseaglesknicks on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I think it's sad
to the point where you’d want to see Jeffries in the game over Stat. Jeffries has been a great help defender and coupled with a TC, Shumpert lineup is a fast break galore.
How do you think I feel
I’m in a Med School Anatomy lecture all the way in Antigua
and Im writing about NY oh I miss being there
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why
It’s cold and the local pro basketball team is infuriating.
I like Lin..but it’s only a matter of time before Amare and Melo drag him and the Knicks back down to their level. It might already have happened. Sorry to say this but based on last night’s game, my confidence in this team has completely evaporated.
As long as you're willing to come back and sing their praises if/when we start kicking ass and taking names.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Off to Buenos Aires on Saturday
WILL MISS GAME THREADS
I imagine internet being on and off. Which means no games for me……I miss the playoffs BALLS
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah that sucks though.
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
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by gymtanlandry on Feb 21, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think next season
Amar’e will have changed his game. Given a full offseason, we’ll see him turn more into a stretch 4/KG type player. Stay on the perimeter, stretch the d with jump shooting ability, use that to set up some cuts/drives to the paint.
Given the emergence of Lin, we might not need Stoudemire to be much more than an 18 point, 8 rebound, reliable jump shooter and finisher.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
im down with that
i like winning TEAMS better than great PLAYERS
i really wish we played again tonite
cant believe the stupid stuff being written about melo and to a lesser extent amare (cuz hes not playing well but i think he’ll turn it around). Also i see amare tweeting about breakfast before practice confused if knicks r practicing today or not? Would hope they do a little at least to work some of these guys in.
Interesting indeed
First of all, that breakfast looks unbelievable.
Second of all, he does, indeed, mention practice. Hmm.
Though I'm very vocal about my hatred for both the Knicks and their fans (as a Nets fan should be)
I must admit. This is the best fan-related thing I’ve ever seen in the history of sports.
That is HILARIOUS.
So…props on that one haha.
yea that dude is awesome.
he is from Alabama, read below. im honored
what are some Knick fan opinions on us moving to Brooklyn? hate it or no?
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Honestly
I was at a knick nets game in newark and itd be great for any team to leave that area, even a successful team would benefit from moving out of there….aside from that i think its exciting to have another new york team because it will bring more excitement, IMO and even if both teams struggle, these two teams meeting will eventually be a circled date on most calendars
tell me about it...our attendance sucks. we had a home game vs the bulls and it honestly felt like a bulls home game i couldnt believe it. knicks games are always sold out im jealous lol
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by "NetsNation" on Feb 21, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I mean if you can hear people's taunts and screams from the crowd mid-play then u got a problem
And its being addressed, obv the little brother is gonna catch shit from big brother but sometimes the lil bro grows a little taller and beats the bigger brothers face in, so we will see, i hope i aint around for that, god forbid it ever occurs
I can only speak for myself....
but as a Knicks fan, I’ve honestly never given it a thought. The Nets are the Nets — regardless of where they play.
As a native of the Bronx, I think it’s kinda cool to have a team in Brooklyn, but beyond that, no matter to me.
I think it's pretty cool to have a team in Brooklyn
I mean, almost any team name that starts with Brooklyn sounds awesome.
If the Nets can actually build and become a good team it will become a fun rivalry, and I’m sure you’ll see some bandwagoners hop on. If not, it might just be depressing because it will always be the Knicks city, and I’m not just saying that as a Knicks fan
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ill put it this way, if Dwight and Deron arent in Brooklyn this September, it will be a disaster
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by "NetsNation" on Feb 21, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think eventually when there is a generation of kids
who grow up knowing nothing of the Nets in Jersey and have always known the Nets in Brooklyn, the Nets are gonna be a legitimate threat to Knicks dominance. The market is definitely big enough to support two teams so it should be fun to watch how the Nets progress.
I'm for it
every day new nba fans are getting into the sport, so in a large mrkt like NY why would there not be enough fans to fo around?
I think it makes things more interesting; in a perfect world it’ll actually lower msg tckt prices .(wishful thinking, fingers crossed.)
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 21, 2012 9:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just two random thoughts on Amare:
1) I find it hilarious that now that he has a bonafide center next to him for the first time in his entire freaking life…he decides now is the time to add weight. I’d have assumed it was at least partially due to the back issues all summer sapping his workout time if he didn’t bring it up all over the place before the season. I mean I know he’s not going to say “Argh my back! I gained a lot of weight this summer guys.” to the media, but nobody would know unless he said something over and over about it.
2) Amare has actually been getting blocked at basically the same rate so far this season as compared to last. This and the last season ARE the highest he’s been blocked in his career, so that’s a little worrying, but just thought I’d give you guys that heads up.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Remember no one saw the Center thing coming
remember coming into the season the Center options were Turiaf who is made out of tissue paper. Re-sign Jeffries who is as thin as tissue paper, or bring back She-Will who eats tissue paper. So Amare figured he’s be playing a lot of Center, thus the weight gain because he got the crap beat out of him last season basically playing Center full time for most of last season, so he figured the extra weight would help with the pounding he was gonna take on the block.
by Robert Curre on Feb 21, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I'd forgotten about the timeline.
Maybe it’s just me, but that makes me love Amare even more than I already do. He’s committed. Now I’m even more committed. Even if he couldn’t guard Luke Walton.
I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.
Look at it Dave. Look at it.
Now that I think about it....
….how long exactly does it take for someone to shed muscle weight? It’s just not a question that’s ever entered my mind, considering my decision tree usually looks like this:
“This cheeseburger is cooked to perfection and dripping with delicious goodness.
Should I :
A) Eat the whole goddamned thing nom nom nom
B) Become less fat by eating only half of it now, and the rest in two hours after my willpower gives out
C) Do twenty pushups to relieve my guilty conscience"
So yeah, never really thought about losing muscle weight, though does seem like NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM OH GOD I AM SO WEAK
by The Raging Platypus on Feb 21, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
When do we play the Nets again?
whenever it is the knicks need to circle that date on their calander and he ready to exact their own revenge. Let’s give STAT some more time to round into shape. I’m hoping he gets his hops and fierceness back (and I think its time for a shave)
by skyballer on Feb 21, 2012 5:22 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I want Lin to bloodthirsty the next time we meet!!
I hope that JLin circled the next Nets game on his calendar, and in the next game, that he would drive hard EVERY possession angry, fouling out the whole team and scoring 50. Then busting his baby face, sleepy faced, I’m just doing my job routine on them
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