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Rating and Debating: What does D'Antoni do with Toney Douglas?

Struggling combo guard, potential ceviche ingredient. (Photo by Chris Trotman/Getty Images)

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This is a new feature here at P&T in which I, Seth, will engage in a debate on some Knicks topic with a person who is totally real. For our first exchange, please welcome celebrity chef and renowned hater, Cristobal Jeeves-Almibar.

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Seth: Mr. Jeeves-Almibar, thanks for taking the time to join me in this debate.

Cristobal Jeeves-Almibar: Yes, okay.

S: Cool. So, our topic today is Knicks guard Toney Douglas. He's struggling mightily, no doubt about it. What comes to mind when I mention Douglas?

CJ-A: ¡Guacala! What comes to mind is incompetence! Here is a guard who cannot shoot, cannot pass, cannot GUARD anybody. He cannot do a thing! I would like to garnish him with cilantro and serve him at one of my trendy Latin fusion tapas boats!

S: That's a boat where you eat tapas?

CJ-A: A submarine, actually.

S: I see. Well, I can't deny that he's having a terrible season, Mr. Jeeves-Almibar, but are we really ready to say he CAN'T do all those things? We've seen him do each of those since he's been a Knick. We know he's a pretty decent shooter, and while he's not a starting-caliber point guard and far from an elite defender, he's certainly been way better in those aspects of the game than we've seen this season.

CJ-A: If he was good at those things, then he is not any longer! He is irredeemable! ¡Que asco!

S: I just can't buy that anybody's totally irredeemable like that. Think of the way people were talking about Landry Fields earlier this season. Some folks argued he wasn't even an NBA player! And now that he's comfortable and in a bit of a groove, he looks like the starting-caliber guard he was for most of last season. Isn't this still possible for Toney?

CJ-A: No! I would like to remove his teeth and grind them into a potent maté de Douglas! It is a hangover cure!

S: Well, how about this: Whether we like him or not, Douglas is one of the few healthy guards the Knicks have on the roster. What's the alternative?

CJ-A: Young Jeremy Lin! He is an Ivy Leaguer!

S: Hey, I like Lin. He's had some good moments, and I think he deserves minutes, including some of Toney's. I haven't seen much, though, to convince me that he can score consistently at this level. Once teams figure that out, he's going to have much more trouble creating for his teammates.

CJ-A: But surely he is better than Douglas! Douglas cannot score either!

S: Well, he's probably a better point guard. But again, are we going to trust twenty-ish bad games over two seasons worth of pretty serviceable basketball? Douglas can score.

CJ-A: Yes! Douglas cannot score. He can give me his beard hairs so I can sprinkle them in my guacamole (which is made by a member of the waitstaff at your table, which is a treasure chest. You sit on the floor.) is what he can do!

S: I don't know, man. On a deeper team, it might make sense to bench the guy indefinitely. This team is so shallow, though, and I'd rather they do what they can to resurrect his game than shelve him and rely on someone like Lin. Try and keep him off the ball-- alongside Lin, even-- get him cutting and working off screens. It might require some creativity to get him comfortable, but it seems worth it to foster bench depth.

CJ-A: Did you see your beloved Toney last night? Did you see him? He could not do anything right!

S: Yeah. Yeah. I know. It was sickening. I'm sick just remembering it. This is quite a pickle, Mr. Jeeves-Almibar.

CJ-A: A fine idea! I will sever his toes and pickle them with tomatillos!

S: I might be biased because I love the kid, but I think you ought to acknowledge that you're swayed by your desire to cook and eat him.

CJ-A: I would not eat a man! I would merely like to serve him to my customers!

S: Okay, but still...

CJ-A: ¡Que rico!

S: Alright, well this hasn't been too productive. Thanks for your time, though, Mr. Jeeves-Almibar.

CJ-A: Please, call me Cristobal.

S: Now you tell me.

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A brilliant, culinary analysis of our Knick pariah of the day...

Nothing like some good ol’ fashioned threats of cannabilism to light a fire under a players ass… and TD mos’ definitely needs a fire lit under his wildly insecure ass… which belongs, by the way, on the bench, or better yet for all parties involved… in another uniform.

I am of the opinion that his limited skills do remain, though they will remain dormant until he is relocated. NY has broken his DWTDD spirit.

Last night was MDA’s last ditch effort (I hope) to light said fire… he utilized Jeremy “I cheated on my SAT’s” Lin to stir TD’s ire… which didn’t work, and proved that TD’s groove will not come back whilst on Broadway.

The Lakers should take him, or Cleveland.

by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 9:16 AM EST reply actions  

Spin Lin

Dude can actually, like, play PG.

by Crackback on Feb 4, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

false

"But when he saw it, he just put his hands up and they couldn’t give it to him. It just fell to the ground, I-I don’t, you know … So, that showed me he had great experience..." - Jeff Van Gundy

by Anthony Bonner's Subpoena on Feb 4, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

stuck between a shit and a fart.

TD’s not DWTDD, and jeremy Lin has showed some flashes to where he laughably is thought of as a better player, when the truth is he’s not. THere’s really nothing there.

Like I’ve said elsewhere, lack of enough ballhandlers and 3pt shooters is what’s killing us. As in they’re a staple of what Pringles wants his team to do, and we don;t have any. Jared Jeffries is leading the team in 3pt %. Jared Jeffries.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Lin can handle ball, get the offense into a set, and break down a defense. No, he’s not gonna set the world on fire. But he is at least competent, and seems like he wouldn’t be totally lost running a PnR with Stat.

Spin Lin for competence.

by Crackback on Feb 4, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

+8,000,000

D’antoni showed balls by putting Lin in. Then he showed shrinking violet pussiness by going back to Douglas in the second half.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 4, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Lin will now spin...

That was a last ditch effort to stir TD up, and he failed the test. Lin is in… Lin will make us all grin… Lin will win… i guess.

by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i didnt see the game till the very end

but yeah, if lin got some spin early then tony came back in… it sounds like it was a make or break time for TD… and he kinda broke.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

he's shown that in limited opportunity, and in garbage time

what if he’s just Chris Duhon?

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually think he showed more balls putting Douglas back in. His fondness for TD combined with his belief that he’ll get it going is going to cost him his job.

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by rxmeister on Feb 4, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we’ll be seeing more Lin today. TD had his last big chance last night.

by superturboultra on Feb 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Suicide by Douglas

Even if Lin is just a pan flash with limited effectiveness, he’s more effective than TD. Sometimes watching from the bench for a few games can be helpful to a player.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

The pressure has definitely gotten to Douglas, he’s sinking and it looks like he’s desperately gasping for air. I think he deserves a break, and it will come whenever Baron comes back.

by superturboultra on Feb 4, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They were one of the best offensive teams in the league

Wuth Duhon, Lee, Harrington, young Chandler and Gallo, and Larry Hughes! I bet we’d at least be mid-teens in terms of offense if Duhon was our starting PG

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

yes! +1000000

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by Spike4Prez on Feb 4, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the first part, but I say

why not try a game in which he (Lin) plays 25 minutes at the point and see what the fuck happens.

by frilly on Feb 4, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

TD looks done

When I look at TD I see an insecure limited skill pg/sg who cant run a team he just makes very poor decisions and it’s mind blowing. he use to be a decent guard but without a miracle those days are over. I’d be very happy too eat crow if I’m wrong about TD, I want the Knicks to be a lot better than they have been. With that being said I don’t believe MDA is putting his players in positions in which this team can succeed and bench play has been very poor there is a lot of bad ingredients on this Knicks team. I see a lot teams getting better as the season goes on Knicks have dug a hole they may not be able to get out of but thank god it’s the east they might still have a chance

by babiisxchula on Feb 4, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Play Douglas with Lin in the second unit

as a shooting guard.

Since his confidence has been utterly and completely destroyed by being asked to be a point guard / leader out on the floor, it will take him about 10 games to start hitting those open 3’s that we need so badly. By then we will be in danger of missing the playoffs entirely.

It might help him to sit him entirely for a few games, or it might help him to ship him to the D league for a few games. I don’t fuckin’ know. I’m Toney’s biggest fan – I think he’s a good player, and I’m a bit pissed at D’antoni for not playing Lin sooner.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 4, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I do believe Toney will turn it around like Fields have.

I still remember how harshly everyone was bashing Landry earlier on.

A void? I see no void!

by gunsbound on Feb 4, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

but while Landry was paying poorly

and part of the reason for the losing…TD is costing us games. How many losses do you wait?

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think that is a fair comparison

Landry looked like he was timid. he was playing bad, but it was more becuase he was holding back.

TD is doing things, just badly.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 4, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

very badly

but your right it’s tough to compare a QB vs an offensive lineman. That being said, how long do you wait? He’s costing the team games.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Toney will turn around too

but he’ll never be a point guard.

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by Russ on Feb 4, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach Stuck with Fields way longer then I would have and it has paid off

but he must end his loyalty to Toney now. Toney not only kills our flow on offense he seems to inspire the opposing team to immediately go on the attack. His lack of confidenece is deflating the knicks and inspiring opposing guards.

by rathbone888 on Feb 4, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Right

It seems to be working for Fields, who had a little less pressure, but Toney’s just getting worse, or at best, he’s not getting better.

by superturboultra on Feb 4, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think Toney has ever

played as well as Landry has played.

Landry is a better player… even before this season.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 4, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But I don’t think that invalidates my point that Fields wasn’t shoehorned into a position the way Toney was (and the way Wilson Chandler was before him).

by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Better win tonight, that's for sure

Knicks better suck it up after the last two losses. These games had playoff like intensity and don’t think the lowly Nets aren’t going to bring that kind of intensity themselves. Reading their comments in the Daily News, you get the impression they’re coming in like this game is their season.

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by rxmeister on Feb 4, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

I wish Mike Bibby wasn't a shell of himself

Even the Mike Bibby from 2 years ago would help. A veteran pg who can hit an outside shot and run a semi-competent offense.

I guess give Lin TD’s playing time and see how Douglas is in a week or so. I don’t know. He just looked so bad last night.

Also, is that chef your alter-ego as well, Seth?

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 11:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Baron Davis keeps talking about how he loves MDA and has waited his whole career to run his offense, yet he won’t get back on the court. He better get back now or he’ll be running Mike Woodson’s offense. (if he has one)

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by rxmeister on Feb 4, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

douglas can't do it

whether thats just right now or for all eternity simply doesn’t matter.

another thing that doesn’t matter is whether toney is a theoretical better player than jeremy lin. right right now- lin fits a need and toney does not. toney’s defense is not noticeably better than lin’s and his offense is noticeably worse.

lin should get toney’s minutes, and bill walker and toney should enter a time share for those minutes- until someone proves they deserve it more than another.

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by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

He deadass said Guacala

I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.

by east_harlem on Feb 4, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

If they play Lin

He better run plays better and get his teammates’ trust. It seemed to me yesterday that he didn’t really run a lot of plays and when he did pick and roll once with amare, amare hesitated and didn’t roll right away, leaving the defense to set up.

Another thing Lin really has to do is play against a pressure. Remember how he lost the ball on the full court press? He really have to practice protecting the ball and moving down the court….

If not, sorry to say, but it’ll be problematic.

by CookieOs on Feb 4, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Lin is not the answer

he’s just a better solution than TD. Keep expectations around “limited” to contain frustration.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth, you may be well on the verge on insanity

and your writing remains awesome.

There is no answer, because Shump is a combo guard and TD is a combo guard. Lin is a D-League player. The Knicks’ issue is they haven’t drafted a pure PG since Frank Williams.

by Chuck Burly on Feb 4, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Not entirely relevant to Lin and TD, but somewhat exciting

From JR Smith:

Pick an Roll was nice wit NeNe I can imagin what it would be like passing it to @Amareisreal would be like? #justthinkingtomyself?

He also said something about wondering how many people the Garden seats yesterday. At this point, just bring him in…whatever

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

can't really be too choosy right now

JR Smith would be a real nice fit here. Sure he’s probably just a 6"6 Nate Robinson, but if Nate Robinson was 6"6 he might be good. Hopefully he’s used his time in China to be less of a moron.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

shot 14-18 from 3

totaled 60 points in a playoff win… but he’s probably just toying with us.

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by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

he's done that sort of thing in the league tho

also he’s a crazy dude. Every good team needs a crazy dude. Its why I’ve wanted Deshawn Stevenson here for a while, but JR Smith is better then him.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

JR Smith scares me

I really think he’s bipolar or something. I really do.

I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.

by east_harlem on Feb 4, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not crazy

Or, if you mean “what about signing him”, I’m thinking we won’t have the money.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

JR is unrestricted

All we have is $2.5mil. If that’s all it takes to re-sign Chandler, the Nuggets will take him from us with the sweet discount in tow. JR will want his payday over the summer as well, but for this season, I think $2.5mil is the best he’s gonna get – at least to play on a decent team (and the Knicks WILL be decent).

by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

just cuz he had a lot of tats doesn't mean he's crazy

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Not crazy.

I mean chance of joining the Knicks.

by DCyanks21 on Feb 4, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm talking about his well publicized battles with George Karl and general knucklehead crap, it's not based on his tats

But this mothafucka deadass tattooed Young Money on his neck, with the Lil Wayne Yankees symbol and everything

I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.

by east_harlem on Feb 4, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

if nate was 6-6 he could be one of the best players in the history of the game

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

robinson would actually be a welcome site right now...

and he’s probably more mature than he was. we missed out on him. good handle. can get in the lane. instant offense.

by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

or actually a 6"6 Nate Robinson might just be Jamal Crawford

we could really, really use Mal right now.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i was in that mix

but whoulda thunk toney would be this atrocious?

i wanted to keep toney, but i wouldn’t have been mad if we got jamal, he’s one of my favs.

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by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I also remember I let my guard down and thought this team had some potential

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It certainly does have lots of that

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by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it was so much Toney

As much as it was looking at the PG depth chart and seeing it was one player deep and not wanting to trade away that one player.

by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I’d rather use it on a backup big or a real PG, but I guess outside shooting is a need as well. So many needs on this roster, and so few roster spaces to fill them. I might have just talked myself into this, which is never a good sign. The last Knick I talked myself into was Melo, and before that it was Jalen Rose…

by superturboultra on Feb 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

we need outside shooting

really really really badly.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And an extra scorer

Especially off the bench

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, why don't we go for Aaron Brooks? He's both a pretty good shooter and a decent passer.

36% career 3P%, on 1.6 made 3’s per game. Pair that with a career 24.5 AST% (which has been 28.9 and 25.6 in his last two seasons, and Brooks might be exactly what we’re looking for at the PG position. If JR is considering signing for whatever money we’re offering him, why won’t Brooks?

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by Jeff W. on Feb 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Restricted free agent

Phoenix can match

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope he is serious

and is willing to take the pro-rated 2.5 mil we have to offer. He made 6 mil last year and he’d prob get stronger offers from other teams.

by ubd on Feb 4, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of the good teams don't have money to offer

And I don’t think he wants to go to a bad team. He’ll likely only get the 2 yrs/$5 mil offer, unless another contender can offer the 3 yrs/$9 mil deal.

We’ll see, but by my count, he’s now tweeted about the Knicks three different times

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by WSD on Feb 4, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been trying not to get my hopes up

because he’ll also intermittently tweet about the Lakers but yeah I agree the majority of his tweets and re-tweets are about the Knicks or from Knick fans https://twitter.com/#!/TheRealJRSmith/status/165695825794703360

by ubd on Feb 4, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his best financial bet is to take $2.5mil for one year, then sign for more over the summer when more teams have space, and there’s more of a market.

by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think the money is as important when you're signing for a few months

It’s more important to find an opportunity where you can get the best stats for the next free agency.

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by Russ on Feb 4, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

TD

is young and if he can get back to what he was or even being better he needs game minutes to do that. We have seen what he can do, we know he can do it.

Lin, yeah he looks decent and I’m not against playing him, but lets be honest, they guy was not drafted and spent time in the D-league. Just because we have seen him in some garbage time and saw some box stats from college and D-league does not mean this kid is a good substitute for TD.

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by Giantssincesix on Feb 4, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Toney has something that Lin doesn't

A body of work. It’s not that he CAN’T shoot, pass, etc. It’s that he ISN’T doing those things. we saw the last couple of seasons that there are some things that he does well. I don’t think we can totally scapegoat him for a loss. I doubt that he was to blame for Chris Wilcox grabbing every single offensive rebound during the stretch that he was in, and I didn’t see Toney in a striped shirt with a whistle. Players struggle. Amare struggled. Dirk is struggling in Dallas. Our entire offense is struggling, and I don’t think that pinning the blame on a bench player who only got 8 minutes is realistic.

Besides, we shouldn’t overstate Lin’s abilities just yet. He did some good things and did some things badly. Let’s wait and see before we declare him the future of NY basketball.

by SoReal on Feb 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Lin is not an American Steve Nash

but right now he’s got the potential to play well and he is not killing the offense as expertly as TD so you gotta play him.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

unfortunately that is precisely what we are doing
. Let’s wait and see before we declare him the future of NY basketball.

We are waiting while this team goes right down the shitter. If last night didn’t prove to D’Anotoni that Lin deserves more burn then I fear nothing but a new job will solve the problem.

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by YuckFou on Feb 4, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Not being drafted means very little

You judge the player on what he is today, not how he was perceived a few years ago.

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by Russ on Feb 4, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought since we were playing at the TD Garden

That Tony D Would have stepped up to his namesake and played his best ball of the year.

I was wrong! Horribly and miserably wrong.

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

I just don't understand the people in the Game Thread

last night who want TD completely off the team. Maybe there’s a reason I usually don’t visit the game threads. But still, TD is a valuable player. He’s just not playing where he should be. It isn’t Toney’s fault that the roster is severely lacking a true PG and bench scorers.

The way I see Toney succeeding is this: Baron comes back, solidifies the PG position. D’Antoni tells Toney: “Toney, go out there, just worry about harrassing the opposing guards. Be aggressive on D. Don’t worry about running the offense. Play like DWTDD.”

Before the season, we all knew that there was a huge question mark at the point guard position. We’d hoped that Toney would show us a little more this season. Well, obviously that’s not going to happen.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Also,

Who knows how much a normal-length training camp would’ve benefit Toney.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think at all...

he’s just not wired for more responsibility and full-time point guarding. He’s wired for streaky shooting and energy off the bench. It rattled him and now he’s neither.

by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

best comment of the thread. Insightful and short.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

others are potentially more capable

so until TD finds his game or they prove to be a worse option they need to get the spin.

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd like to see more Lin

but my main point was that this roster is just not built well right now. We’re asking too much from a guy (Douglas) who’s really nothing more than an off-the-bench guy.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's Lin specific

I would like to see anyone more capable than TD run the point. Lin is all we got. TD may find his game and his role on this team or he may not but it shouldn’t be an impediment to the teams winning

by I know smart people on Feb 4, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, Toney Douglas being such an important player just goes tp show the serious fucking depth problems on the team.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem is
Before the season, we all knew that there was a huge question mark at the point guard position. We’d hoped that Toney would show us a little more this season. Well, obviously that’s not going to happen.

why is this not obvious to our coach?

I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane

by YuckFou on Feb 4, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

By the look of Lin's increasing minutes,

looks like D’Antoni is finally getting it.

lol

by nygmp42 on Feb 4, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Gentlemen, I am coming out of the closet . . .

I can’t take it any longer. I was hoping that no one would find out my deep, dark secret, but the time has come to step out.

I have a PhD. in Mike Dantoni, whew, there I said it, that was tougher than I imagined

I am and expert in Mike Dantoni: I have watched every game he has coached in the last 8 years (I am a Knicks fan that lives in Phoenix), I love basketball and the Suns were the only thing on so I watched them.

I have been to many live Suns games (Including playoffs against the Lakers and Spurs)

I had courtside seats once near the Suns bench (I had then Senator John McCain on my right and Bob Costas on my left) Very awkward they conversed straight through me like I was made out of a screen material.

Most importantly, I had a connection that got me the courtside seat during the Suns/Knicks game.

I have a billion stories as to why Dantoni is an absolute non-coaching idiot, but I do not have the time to write a book at this moment in my life.

I offer this one story to all the Pro-toni’s out there to consider. Witnessed by myself, John McCain and Bob Costas.

Mikey D. drew up a last second play on his clipboard and immediately showed it to Steve Nash after he called a time out.

I watched Nash look at it and shake his head “no, no, no,” then he snatched the eraser out of Dantoni’s hand like he was the ball boy and Nash quickly scribbled out some play.

Nash took it over to the team huddle and explained it to all the Suns players. I could not see unfortunately what he drew, but it doesn’t really matter.

Nash rubbed off a couple screens and recieved the ball at the top of the arc. A wide open look that saw noting but the bottom of the net. A perfect play! Costas and McCain even joked “through” me that Nash is the real coach of the Suns.

It is true, Steve Nash is a genius! A once in a hundred years rarity. He was a player/coach like in the old days. If you know anything about Nash, you know he is humble. Hell, he is even refusing to ask to be traded out of the current miserable team he is on now and ask for a chance to join a title contender. That is the kind of guy he is.

He really loved Dantoni as a person and would always give all the credit to Mikey D. for anything positive. Nash does not want the attention or the limelight.

All the Suns fans, myself, Sen. John McCain, and Bob Costas know the truth though. Steve Nash coached that Suns team and Dantoni was the manager who managed minutes and substitutions.

Blast me if you want to, but make sure you have more than an 8 year PhD in Dantoni before you do.

I feel better now that I am out of the closet, so refreshing!

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

oh wow, i didn't know you were so smart or funny

it never comes off that way in your comments or posts.

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by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite sure how to take that comment there Stingy

However, the above story is 100% factual and if you ever run into Sen. John McCain or Bob Costas, I am sure they will vouch for its accuracy!

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously Flossy, you are one of them looking at Dantoni . . .

With your rose colored glasses.

If you could just free your mind and accept that I know more about Mike Dantoni then you do, and accept that fact the Knicks will be better off without him.

Then we can get someone in here to fix this mess!

Scary thing is that I think Dantoni has done so much harm to our players, by instilling such obscene habits, that I don’t think Phil Jackson with Jeff VanGundy, Pat Riley, and Vince Lombardi as his assistants, could undo all the damage.

We will probably have to disinfect the place and throw everything away like any virus that has been around a while.

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

STAT's recent Tweet

“Let’s win tonight Knicks, we have to play with heart, smarts an together. We are only as strong as our weakest link. Lets go!!”

I wonder who the weak link is that he is referring to?? Hmmmmm ……….

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Hint: he wears #7

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps, or maybe he wears #23 or . . . .

Maybe the weak link STAT is referring to does not wear a number at all, but rather a suit.

Hmmmmm ………

by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

no, its #7.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 4, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane

by YuckFou on Feb 4, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Dolan

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by Russ on Feb 4, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line, whether we like it or not...

is that we have very few options right now and the ones we have are all shitty.

We have seen the best and worst of TD. Say his ceiling is a 7 out of 10 and his basement (last night) is a 2.

Well the thing is we’ve seen Lin get a little burn and he was looking around a 3 or 4, maybe a five or six last night. You gotta give him the chance to see if his ceiling is an 8 or above and if the 3/4 was his basement. I doubt he’s an 8+, but the only way we’re gonna know is by game-time.

At this point I don’t see any point in TD trying to show he’s capable of 8+ and I’ve literally no hope for Bibby at this stage. We’ve got to hope Baron’s window is a tight 6-10 when he eventually gets back. If not then this is ANOTHER transitional year.

by london_balling on Feb 4, 2012 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

Seth posted this 6 hours ago and I'm the first to rec it?

What is wrong with you people? This post should earn Seth three stars in next year’s Michelin Guide.

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by Russ on Feb 4, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like C-J-A knows his basketball.

25-5-7?

by jimjoyce25 on Feb 4, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

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