Good signs, dead weight and addition by subtraction...
by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 8:43 AM EST
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PrintThe last 2 nights sucked, but stirred far less nausea than the prevous 21 games (with those very few exceptions). Against Boston and Chicago, we all saw the signs. Better ball movement. Improved aggression towards the rim. More fluid PnR's. Shump's PG IQ is progressing impressively quick. More balanced Melo and flashes of great Stat. Landry looks to be finding his balls and embracing his role as the 3rd option. Jefferies is showing his value and Tyson's consistency is becoming a refreshing and pretty badass sight.
And we also all saw the dead weight that needs to be subtracted. TD, sorry to say is Totally Done. He may find his confidence one day, but it won't be with us in NY. Bully's "potential" is too inconsistent and is more of a drain, than a gain. Bibby is clearly useless both on the talent side of things, as well is the leadership department. Novak, while theoretically a fine 12th man, has only one theoretical talent, which doesn't really manifest.
So here's what I'm willing to do. I like the good signs (though not totally sold on the fit of our big guns). I'm willing to:
1) See if we can somehow land Sessions (for TD and Bully or Balk)... yup, longshot, but a good shot.
2) But if that doesn't work, I'd ask the Lakers if they want a young version of D. Fish in TD (not a true PG, but good defense and can hit a 3). For TD, I'd gladly take back Darious Morris (and would love to fleece them for a 2nd rounder). Maybe they see TD's inherent value and the change of scenery can inspire him to DWTDD in the gold and purple.
3) I'd flush Bully... and turn him in to an unknown with possibility... like a Morris Almond for example, because at this point, an unknown is better than what we know about Bully. If not Mo Peanuts, some other hungry fella off the scrap heap we can pray turns into Starkss
4) I'd cut ties with Bibby (sorry brah, it's just not working) and see if Rafer (who just went to the D-league) has anything left in the tank.
5) And lastly, I'd also cut ties with Novak, and ask Rasheed if he would want to be our first big off the bench for the mid-level exception (that is of course if we can't get one of the leftover Chinamen).
That's all... trying to be less negative (though it's pretty freakin' hard). 500 is getting farther and farther away and our guys our using words like "snakebitten" and whining to the refs way too much... which is never a good sign. Gotta stir the pot a bit.
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we need ball handlers and 3pt shooters.
Really the only guys that can handle the rock on the roster are Shump, Melo and….?. And by handle the rock I mean drive, penetrate, create, all that good combo guard shit. Other guys can dribble and all a that, I dunno what’s wrong with TD, but even if you include him that’s 3. I’m watching the Nuggets last night and they have Lawson, Miller, Afflalo, Gallo, Harrington, and even Rudy Fernandez can create.
And who are our marksmen on this team? Among the regulars, Jared Jeffries is our leading 3pt shooter. Jared fucking Jeffries.
Pringles is a coach that in order for his shit to run right, the backbone of the team needs need multiple ball handlers and good 3pt shooters. Its really no wonder this team blows, there’s no backbone.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Absolutely true...
and even our guys who can “dribble”, aren’t the kind of ball “handlers” teams need. It’s one thing to be able to bring the ball up the court, it’s another for a guy to be able to dribble into the lane, through traffic or on the baseline AND keep the dribble with head up, composure and until they find the pass they want.
Strangely, Lin seems to be the only guy with this skill on our team, though Shump is showing progress.
by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I say fire the coach
and run a half court offense.
News Flash!!!!
They run a fucking half court offense now!!!!!! Seen any of their games???? They rarely get fast break points or even get out and run at all!!!! Get off the FIRE PEOPLE soap box. It wont fix anything!!!
running a half court offense is entirely the problem here
we have half court guys (carmelo…) mixed in with running, uptemp guys (Amare, Fields). We need a time machine to undo 2/21/2011.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So we can go back to giving up 105 pts a game
and get out rebounded by double digits.
105pts/game or 95pts per game doesn't matter if your point differential is right there with it
I couldn’t give less of a shit if we gave up 105pts a game if we scored 110pts a game. Plus they won’t go back to anything, Tyson Chandler is here, Amar’e is a much better rebounder this year as well.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
So what's your solution?
because aside from your idiotic “Dolan is a scumbag” posts I don’t see any solutions or earth shattering revelations coming from you either.
and "fire the coach" is an innovative, fun solution that always is the right thing to do.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I guess keeping the "continuity" that we have now is the right thing too.
Besides, who else we gonna get that can lose 11 out of 13 games right?
boys boys boys...
with or without MDA, our roster needs tweaking. We’re seeing signs of better flow so either MDA will outlast this shitty beginning, or he won’t. Regardless, without some personnel moves, no coach will go anywhere.
Gentlemen, I am a displaced Knick fan living in Arizona . . .
Therefore, I have had the rare "treat" of watching just about every Suns game during the Dantoni era, many of them in person. Not because I was a Suns fan, it was simply the only basketball on tv to watch.
This is my 8th year of Dantoni, not many can make this claim. I knew from the moment he got the Knicks job that we were totally screwed.
Everyone here in Phoenix knows that Steve Nash actually coached that team, Nash was essentially a player/coach.
That is rare these days, but Steve Nash’s talent is even rarer.
I have seen Nash draw up the final play on the clipboard during time outs, Nash is the person that got in the ear of players taking poor shots, Nash was the ball mover/facilitator and made mediocre talent shine.
One mediocre talent was Mike Dantoni. Steve Nash being the humble guy that he is, would give credit to Dantoni for everything. He sincerely liked Mike and wanted to help him any way he could.
The man did not coach the Suns, he merely orchestrated the substitutions and the time outs. He was more of a manager. Nash the head coach.
Now we see what Mikey D the manager looks like without his head coach Nash around.
This ugly experiment is called your New York Knicks.
Remember this is my 8th year of Dantoni ball, I know this man inside and out. He is not a coach, he is a manager
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions
First of all, what took you so long to share this valuable insight?
Second of all, I think most of the true blue Knick fans would NOT have chosen MDA, an alleged “offensive genius”, to coach our historically tough-nosed, blue collar, defensive team.
While your claims are definitely interesting to read, they are probably not all that shocking… which simply leaves us in the same crappy position of having an over-rated coach, with an over-rated, imbalanced roster, 3 over-paid stars (well 2 actually, I think Tyson is worth his coin) and an under-performing team.
I want visible changes, either in the spirit of our players, or the personnel, or the coach, or preferably, the owner. What is… is not enough. We have some ingredients, but not all of them.
by bucketsncents on Feb 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know what a touchy subject Dantoni around here . . .
So I tried my best to shut up. But when I read this crap about it not being the coach’s fault, it makes my head want to explode!
I guess you can call me the resident Dantoni expert until someone steps up and says they have watched more than 8 straight years of Dantoni ball.
Until that time, all I can tell you is I have watched EVERY game Mike Dantoni has coached in the last 8 years. Once I was courtside and next to the Suns bench. I learned a GREAT deal that night. It was against the Knicks by the way.
Nothing I said would shock the people that are wanting Dantoni to go. I am trying to convince those die hards out there that believe he is good and only needs a point guard.
It is true to a point. He needs a point guard, but it can only be one point guard, Steve Nash.
By the way, it was from my courtside seat where Mikey D. had drawn up a last second play and he showed it to Nash first. Nash just shook his head “no.” Then grabbed the eraser out of Mikey D’s hand like he was a ball boy.
Nash quickly drew something up, which I could not see unfortunately, and went over to the huddle and explained it to the team. I believe the result was a nice wide-open, top of key, three pointer that Nash swished.
I’ll tell ya, that Steve Nash can coach! There are a million other things I have seen over his 5 years in Phoenix, but do I really need more than that one story there to convince the Pro-toni’s out there?
by TheKnicksAreBack on Feb 4, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have watched 9 years of D'Antoni ball
I am the D’Antoni expert. I say he is a wonderful man and a genius basketball mind. This is the new official position.
Strange but D'Antoni seemed to win games last year with a mediocre point guard
Basically it seems that he coaches and offense “The pread pick and roll,” that needs a point guard. But tell me since nash is coaching Phx, why do they suck?
by Robert Curre on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
and not much of a manager either
if you consider his obstinate refusal to let Lin get on the floor. Chicago and Celts games could have easily gone the other way had Lin been allowed to do his thing instead of sticking with TD longer than most of would have wanted.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Did a "D'Antoni should have played Lin" posting just occur
Mandatory Drug Test Alert!!!
Lin had a wonderful Rudy moment and maybe he can grow into a legit NBA player on his own.
But Lin is one sneeeze away from permanent minor league purgatory. So maybe keep the champagne in the fridge.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
do you still feel that way about Lin after his second strong game?
Because I see him as our starting point guard even when diddybeans comes back
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Not terrible ideas
I disagree about dumping Bill Walker. He’s only like, 23 or 24? He has a nice 3 point shot and has improved greatly on defense. Yeah, I know he’s inconsistent as hell, but who isn’t inconsistent on this team besides Tyson Chandler? I will say that Bully definitely needs to improve a lot of his game, ESPECIALLY ball handling. One thing I do like though is bringing in Morris Almond. I’ve always wanted him. When we didn’t end up signing him a few years ago when he was on the Knicks summer league team, I was pissed. I don’t think we should give up Bully just to get Morris Almond, but maybe we get rid of Bibby and bring Mo in. Bibby doesn’t do anything. At least Walker can go off every once in a while. Oh, and Billy should try driving a LOT more. Why can’t he do a nice spin move when he drives instead of committing the offensive foul? Anyways, good post. Hopefully things will turn around. And, way to remain positive!
I wouldn't dump Bill Walker
But age has nothing to do with it. Walker can at times be productive, but he is far too inconsistent. He is essentially a back of the rotation player who needs to be kept on a short leash. We have been waiting for Walker to figure it out for over two years now and he hasn’t. In a sense he is sort of like Jordan Farmar was on those Championship Laker teams. Phil would give him 3 mins in the first half, if he didn;t like what he saw he buried Farmar for the rest of the game at the end of the bench. Same with Walker, but you need better bench players to do that.
Morris Almond has been given chances to be a Knick. He just can’t seem to cut it. You are correct he was played in Summer league a few years back and couldn’t hit the side of the building, which is trouble because the only thing Almond could do back in the day was shoot. He was offered a non-guaranteed training camp invote last season, but chose to go to Portland because he thought he had a better chance of making the team. The Almond boat may have sailed. By the way he didn’t make it in Portland and I hear is is presently playing in the D-League.
by Robert Curre on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Walker is in his 4th year, he's not going to get any better. He is what he will become
I agree he’s a 9th or 10th player at best. Not a disappointment but not a player that you reserve a roster spot for. If he’s here, fine; but if not he can be replaced by someone nearly identical.
He’s 6’6", a 2nd rd pick, and he’s not a shooter. If he never plays another game, dude is already a NBA success story.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Start scouring the minors for shooters
The D league should be full of guards who can shoot; but can’t/won’t do anything else. Start test driving some of them and save the mini-mid to (try to) acquire a skilled PG from a team getting ready to start cleaning house.
You can get just as much value, and a lot less stupidity, from a minimum salary D league SG than you will from JR Dumpster Fire Smith.
The TD epiphany came a couple of weeks too late; now NY is on the hook for $2mm next year for TD.
The other players mentioned are irrelevant end of benchers, and are delivering what was expected of them. They’re just exposed because there is no middle of the roster (no news flash there).
Good/Bad fair or not, Mikey D is toast. Hopefully Dolan won’t think that Grunwald aced his audition. He overcommitted on Chandler (great player acquisition, bad transaction), left the rest of the roster exposed, and got bit right on the logo
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
The Chandler transaction was a great one and
the unofficial opening of this team’s 4 year championship window. Even if year 1 is going to see growing pains, there will be numerous veteran point guards available to the Knicks in the offseason before year 2. There was never going to be a better chance to bring in Tyson Chandler or his equivalent again.
I think both are right, and both are wrong...
Acquiring Tyson was a great move…. Yes
How they acquired Tyson was executed poorly… Yes
Either due to Glen’s inexperience, or lack of savvy, they flushed away all transaction tools by acquiring Tyson the way that they did; which in turn left the roster with no PG, no backcourt leadership, and no middle of the roster depth.
Dalembert was not going to be signed for the MLE.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Sam Dale is earning $7mm with Houston
Dalembert is a nice player; but he can’t carry Tyson’s jock as a player or as a team leader.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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