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i can't quit on this team.


not yet at least. it's hard being a hopelessly patient and highly rational fan of the new york knicks. especially when the media says they don't exist. i want to believe, even when they make it so easy not to. i want to say that our coach is a genius, that maybe he knows something that we don't know, even though i want to slap him silly for his inexplicable affinity to a 3rd year combo guard who clearly does not want to run the point to well, run the point. i can't watch this team, even though they show promise and flashes of brilliance for stretches, yet immediately collapse back in to panic mode when the opposition makes adjustments.

i turned it off last night in frustration when ray allen hit that go-ahead 3 and d'antoni got the technical. typical. the first time i ever turned off a game, ever. i defected my fandom for one brief instant to catch up on the progress of our beloved Knuggets, only to tune in right when Mozgov rolls his ankle!

why we cling to the knicks, years past their relevance is beyond me. yet we still do. i can't even explain it. is it a testament of character? probably. are we all hopeless romantics? most certainly. i keep drawing lines in the sand, making these one-last-straw claims of renouncing my fandom. it's futile. because for whatever stupid reason, i keep coming back.

*i don't even know if this is some sort of rant, a point i was trying to make, some hapless stump-speech or whatever. but it was most likely the ramblings of my streaming conscious manifesting itself into a 277 word fan post. 284. 285. 286... look at it go! ok im done. 293.

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You hit the nail on the head

and summed up exactly how I feel about the team. I’ve had some of those exact thoughts.

by Mdotpain on Feb 4, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

i don't think you should quit on this team

the front line + fields are just now starting to get a little bit of symbiosis. shumpert is doing his absolute best to get everyone going- its just a bit too much, too soon. the bench is a total mess, and thats the front office’s fault. the season is not over even a little bit.

here’s a few things to keep in mind on your journey, no matter where it leads you:

- josh harrellson will be back, and will be good.
- baron davis will play, and will be good.
- toney douglas will play better when he is playing off guard, coming off the bench
- jerome jordan is going to figure a few things out

and as far as the team going forward… we’ll add more depth in the offseason, and if we keep everyone together, could make some serious noise.

i’ve been saying for a while that the chemistry is not evident, but the camaraderie is. right now everyone is pretty dispirited, but in general, this team enjoys each other, and wants to win. not every team can say that.

/// aighttho.com \\\/// twitter.com/aighttho \\\

by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

Baron Davis doesn't even have to be great

Just better than what we put out there, allowing Shump to move to 6th man and Bully or TD out of the rotation.

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

shump as a 6th man

a clear order of principles right there. he can come in for either guard. and its instant defense. plus he’ll be given a greener light on shot taking. he’s been good lately, not forcing up shots. but you can see him thinking from time to time out there, and thats not so hot.

/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \

by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Now this is rational

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's see, not directed at you, just a general comment in response

1) There is no need to be hopeless. Not with this team. Not with this core. Not with the encouraging signs we saw the past 2 nights against 2 of the better teams in the conference, teams who have been playing together for years. Say what you (not @ you OP) want about these guys never being able to mesh, but blowing the team up every few weeks or every year won’t make us suddenly succeed either. This is a shortened season without much practice time, except for minor changes, not much can be done to help – not trading Melo/Amare and not firing MDA.

2) Quit clinging to the idea of the ‘Knuggets,’ because it is just going to annoy you more and because they aren’t really the ‘Knuggets’ they are the nuggets with Gallo and Mozgov. Gallo was awesome, and he was showing us how good he could be last year when we shipped him off for Melo, but he is no longer a Knick and will be a Nugget for at least the next 4 years. Mozgov was barely a Knick, though he gained lots of popularity for his promise, much like Lin has lately. Unless you are getting stuck on Al Harrington too, that’s it, and both teams have made changes to the roster since ‘The Trade™’. Quit comparing the two teams since the trade, because the Nuggets likely have a better record since that date regardless of if we make that trade.

3) Hate to be an ass and nitpick, but your post has grammar and correct spelling, but only 2 words are capitalized, and that will turn people off from reading it – almost did for me, but I was curious because of the title. Still, it was miles better than the majority of fanposts on the site. We are all smart people, we should be able to put fanposts together in a proper, well written way. Comments are one thing, but (presumably) you are writing a fanpost because you want someone to take you seriously and read what you have to say. Of the sbnation sites I visit on a regular basis, this site has by far the worst standards for fanposts. Maybe I am alone in this sentiment, but I think we need to self-police ourselves so we can improve the quality of fan writing here. NYers like to pride themselves on being the most passionate and knowledgeable fans, but these fanposts beg to differ. My idea for improvement is simple, take the extra few seconds to capitalize and use proper grammar, and use the fanshot section for smaller posts that mostly include trade options. This is Seth’s site, so it’s his call, I just think we can do better.

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

I'm assuming you're basing your fanpost/fanshot idea on how it works at Amazin' Avenue.

I would be really upset if we used those guidelines here, though. The policing that goes on there really pisses me off sometimes, especially “This should be a fanshot.” I really appreciate that this site is a lot more free flowing, and I’d be pretty upset if the rules were changed to be more like they are over there. Just my two cents.

by tkow on Feb 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not suggesting Amazin' Avenue change the way they do things, btw.

The community over there wants to do it that way, and that’s fine. But I wouldn’t like it if things changed here.

by tkow on Feb 4, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest, I often don't even read the fanposts over there

I know everything happening with the Mets and what a lot of those guys are thinking. I spend a lot of time reading fanposts at other baseball sites though, so I can get a feel for what other fanbases are thinking, and to see who is worth keeping an eye on.

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not suggesting people come on here doing that

Just would like to know if I click on a fanpost whether it is going to be worth my time reading or something no one put any thought into

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And mostly

it is just presentation that bothers me – grammar, spelling using paragraphs and capitalization. I suggested the fanshot idea for trades, because I think there are times when they are so many that other fanposts might not get seen by people if they aren’t rec’d

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That's fine, I guess.

I think the problem with sending that stuff over to fanshots is that fanshots go mostly unread here. I know that’s partially your point, but still, continuing the comparison to AA, fanshots are much more prominent over there so that structure works a lot better. I don’t know how easy it would be to get people in the mindset of checking fanshots on P&T.

by tkow on Feb 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts on this:

My goal is to delete/manipulate as little user-generated content as possible. I want as many people as possible to be able to post stuff. That said, if stuff is TOO incoherent or obvious spam/trolling, I delete it. My goal is for the “Fanposts” section to act as sort of a minor league for the “Recommended Fanposts” section, which should be the real hotbed for comments. Y’all can help make this the case by

1. Rec’ing absolutely everything that you like and think merits discussion.
2. Flagging or emailing me about bad posts.

I’d be willing to institute stricter rules if a lot of folks felt strongly about it (I think I’ll bring this up the next time we have a discussion about community guidelines, which will probably be in the offseason), but that’d make more work for me and force me to make some tough unilateral decisions. I really do want to allow everybody to post, but have the community shape the discussion by promoting good things to top and letting less good things expire relatively unattended.

by Seth on Feb 4, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Incidentally

I have no problem at all with this post. Ideally, everything would be sparklingly proofread, but it’s not the end of the world. And I don’t even notice when things aren’t capitalized anymore.

by Seth on Feb 4, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't really have a problem with this post, and I mentioned that

my only problem was the capitalization.

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't capitalize shit

cus i hate schoolin.

stingy stay euro language abusive!

/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \

by stingy d on Feb 4, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i was told in my early childhood that every time you use the shift key

god chooses a super cool reptile for extinction, thus making Seth’s job a whole lot harder.

that, and well. it’s not serif. don’t get me wrong, it’s not like i never learned or bothered with proper capitalization. one can say it’s an on-going dichotomy of being serious on a web-log about something not so serious, a sports team. the knicks exist purely for own entertainment. i don’t capitalize squat because
a. i’m allergic to it, b. it’s a silent protest to the other half-wits that WRITE IN CAPS ALL DAY ERR’DAY LIKE DIS. (fortunately we haven’t seen that in a long while) and c. it’s my style and design of approach to this form of media. sparing all the boring bits but my reasoning is this: no serif, no serious. Times New Roman = Serious discussion, serious publication, serious respect for the written word. not to say that Seth and P&T are no so serious. they are, in a relevant, light-hearted and oh-so-fun way.

by renovator on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thiiis iiiis iiiiiiitt!

/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \

by stingy d on Feb 5, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saying

It doesn’t take much time to make your fanpost nicer looking, easier to read and more coherent. Nice thing about the fanshot is, there is no minimum to how much you need to write, so you can put your trade idea or few sentences on ‘Fire MDA’ there, and people can go to it or ignore it.

New here, not trying to rustle things up, just observing that some fanposts could be better written and it wouldn’t take much time

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 4, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

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