as per earl smith iii
he'll be coming back from china in a few weeks and he should be discussed. he would add depth, and quality scoring. two things this team is seriously struggling with. also he's a little crazy. personally, i think we need a dose of chaos out there, especially late in the third quarter. also his girl looks tough.
now, its not highly likely that he will sign with the knicks, a struggling team with no cap space. but its not downright silly either. he's from new jersey, he's got a recent history with melo (where they seemed to get along), he'd get plenty of minutes and shots in new york. and he has publicly stated that he will consider the knicks when he is free to sign. all good signs.
but! there are other teams he is said to have interest in. among them are the clippers, the thunder, the bulls and the lakers.
so who makes sense and who doesn't? who makes sense and doesn't make sense? who doesn't make sense, and that makes sense? mase kense?
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the clippers make sense. they are on the verge of being the most depth ridden glutton in the nba. they have a pair of former nugget teammates he can be besties with, he can just chill out and bang threes while everyone does all the heavy lifting in the paint. and then when he feels like it, just waltz in and ram one over dj mbenga or some palooka with no sense.
the clippers are over the cap on account of the kenyon martin signing. and while he would add depth, he could create a minutes crunch. which is cool and everything, but mo williams might not like that, he doesn't seem to like stuff too much. them there clippers would be damn good tho. they already are, but i mean... jr smith instead of randy foye and ryan gomes is just horrifying.
the lakers make sense. obviously the guy digs los angeles. he'd get to play plenty of minutes and possibly start out there. but he might be asked to make a lot of concessions, namely play defense, not shoot so much, and make the least amount of money nba players can make. both lose angeles' can offer minimum contracts. so they don't really make sense, unless the allure of los angeles is just too palpable for earl jersey and the clippers don't offer enough perks.
speaking of perks- the thunder don't make sense. they like squeaky clean images, and jr just will never have that. but adding him to an already powerful team, allows them to slide thabo sefalosha to the bench more, or somewhere even less noticeable. it gives them a reliable shooter that isn't all daequan cooky, because he can get to the hoop, and is just generally bigger and better. they can offer him a decent enough contract, but they are pretty tied to the players they have, and they just don't seem to make snap decisions on marginal role players that they might not want to keep around for the years to come. because, let's face it, they are building a contender, they want quality players, but they need them to fit in. does jr fit in? probably not. would he end up tying their hands for future (better) moves? thats the question that will probably make them pass.
then there's the bulls. the guy fits right in to the starting line up, gives them a true blue scoring wing, and a guy that can keep up with derrick rose. it almost makes too much sense! but the bulls are over the cap. and like the lakers might want him to be a better defender than he might want to be. the bulls have had chances to snag him in the past and have balked. but maybe they were just waiting for a time such as now? i dunno....
i have opened the floor. don't fall thru.
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does this guy really have a fuckin young money tattoo
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
The Knicks can pay him more than all those teams
Does that factor in anywhere? If he can play the role of the shooter who runs off screens all day (and makes them), then sure, why not?
the thunder can pay him the most
they are the only team mentioned that is under the salary cap.
i’m not totally certain who has and who has not used their mini-midlevel (a salary cap exception). but i’m pretty sure the clippers just used it on kenyon martin and the lakers used theirs on troy murphy or jason kapono.
the clippers, lakers, bulls and knicks are over the cap. i think the bulls have their mini-midlevel, and i know for certain the knicks have theirs. so, just in terms of money- the thunder are in the best position. also of note- the nuggets are under the cap. so they can offer a little bit more than the mini-midlevel (2.5 mil, prorated).
there’s no sure things for the knicks. but maybe the allure of new york will be able to trump some of the other very obvious attractions to other teams.
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Besides my stay away because of the poor quality of the person written below
The word being published is Junior is of the belief that even the mini mid to too low for him.
Again, let someone else be disappointed by signing him.
You’ve not seen any negative pub from Chandler or Brooks. Chandler is still RFA, but I wonder what loopholes are in place…
If Chandler signs a 1yr RFA deal and Denver matches it, will he still be an UFA this offseason? I’d like to think so. He might earn less money but this gives him options other than signing with Denver, Denver matching or Denver extorting a too much in a S&T
I’m not a big Brooks fan, but he is less cancerous than Junior
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
there are no loopholes realistic enough for us to get wilson
if he wants to be an unrestricted free agent next season he will probably have to sign his qualifying offer with denver. i suppose there might be a team willing to give him a contract that lasts through only the end of the year that denver won’t match. but who?
but wilson chandler becoming an unrestricted free agent won’t do us any good anyway. we are over the salary cap. same goes for brooks, who is also a rfa.
and no matter how much you hate jr smith… he seems (at least in part) interested in joining the team. we have serious needs for quality depth and good shooting. knuckleheaded or otherwise.
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I'm not on that, other teams can submit an offer sheet that Denver either matches or not
There’s nothing that says a team cannot offer a 1yr offer sheet. My only question is whether that will translate into UFA status after this season, based on the uniqueness of this year.
Denver has walked away from matching offer sheets before, but that was in the day when Crocodile Arm Kroenke literally pissed away Melos’ final years in Denver by refusing any relevant pursuit of team improvement.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
if he signs a contract
even if its the qualifying offer from denver, he is signing out of restricted free agency.
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Would you sign JR Ryder to your team?
It’s not hate towards JR; If I owned the NJ Nyets I would absolutely want him on the team to sell tickets and make the games exciting.
But if I had even of semblence desire to build a playoff/title contender then I would stay clear of Junior. Seperate from the blind/obsessed NY fans who think Junior is the answer, or at least part of the solution. I’ve had five years of that carp. It never changes, Junior never grows up and he never becomes the player who makes a difference on your team.
And Junior has no great interest in coming to NY. He’s tweeting the same type of message to NY that he is to the Lakers and to the Clippers.
A knucklehead who can shoot is still a knucklehead; he doesn’t help. He’ll throw in uncontested 40points against St Mary’s Academy for the Blind; but he will disappear in the 4th quarter or in crunch time… like he always has. This determination isn’t from fawning over Sportscenter clips like everyone else… this is from watching and waiting for the last 5 years for the dumpster fire to stop and for the NBA player to grow up.
Points in Junior’s favor is that Wark has a major bro-crush on Junior; so I’m sure he’s working the work to try to bring Junior to NY. But how many titles Wark’s Fatal Attraction to Junior bring the Nuggets?
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
ok jr smith is a bad choice
can you, even loosely, detail an alternative?
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Yes I can,
Shop the DLeague, good shooters who cant/wont play D (just like Junior) can be just as selfish as Junior but for a lot less money
Trade deadline shopping season will be starting soon, teams cutting cost or thought they’d be better; make a deal with them
Or man up and make the smart big deal similar to what I described below
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
so basically your point of view is
anybody is better than jr smith. while thats a valid point of view, its really rapacious.
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Yes, beggars can be choosers
Find me a shooter who actually gives a carp about winning
Junior only cares about chasing Sportscenter moments. He is like the punk on the football field who doesn’t make any plays but is the one always piling on after the tackle was made.
After watching five years of Junior for the Nuggets, I never once saw him turn the tide of a game… Not once.
What I saw was him pile on a lot of points once the tide was turned or during garbage minutes. He’s selfish, no team skills and is a cancer both on the court and off of it.
Five years of mine, and Melo’s basketball lives have been wasted, I dont care what Melo says, do Melo and me a favor and avoid Junior like the plague; you will thank me later.
Also, someone on your side (being closer to NJ than I am) should know the info a little better. Junior trys to be street; but word I’ve heard is Junior was raised middle class in a good stable home. He’s not street; he’s pretend wannabe street. How is that a good thing. Good or bad, pretenders are never a good thing.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Check the date... I call dibs on this deal first
Forget Philly, or the Fantasy Island dealings with Orlando. You want to really improve NY today and tomorrow?
Trade Amare to GSW for Monta Ellis (21pts/6ast) and David Lee (18pts/9.9reb).
Tyson, Lee, Melo, Shumpert, Ellis… I’d take that lineup
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Well, yes actually that deal is very realistic and possible
GSW has had a major hard on towards bringing in their superstar player… a role that fits Amare
GSW wants to trade Ellis but does not want to dump him
That actually is a win/win trade for both sides.
"Man, I've got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals."
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
If JR Smith is willing to come here for $2.5 mil, I say do it
I think he’s a dumbass and a chucker and his off the court stuff is not attractive, but he has way more than $2.5 worth of talent. Oddly enough, his “I’m in a video game!” style of play (i.e. dunks and threes) makes him very efficient, because he can hit 3s and dunk on people. I would hate to rely on him, but I’d be happy to take a low-risk flyer on him.
If we could theoretically go into the playoffs (ha, I know) with a healthy starting line-up of Baron Davis, JR Smith, Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler… Fuck it, that team would be a tough, tough out.
could be a tough out....
However, that same team could just as easily shoot itself out of a game in a single quarter.
JR Smith wants the ball. Which is fine because he IS an explosive player and has that ability to take over the game. Thing is… we have Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire who also want the ball. Melo moreso than Amar’e, but still. JR Smith wants to be that #1 guy and he can just as easily implode as explode.
I agree the talent he brings outweighs the $2.5Mil…. but my holdup is what happens when D’Antoni benches him? How does he handle playing behind Shumpert or Landry? I get the feeling, JR Smith wouldn’t take very long to start chirping. I think of Larry Hughes and even Nate Robinson (although for what it’s worth, I don’t remember Nate publicly complaining).
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 6, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
wow, invoking larry hughes
smith might be a doofus and he might say things he doesn’t need to make public. but at least he can actually ball. larry hughes can’t ball.
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I wont deny that Smith can ball much better than Larry Hughes.
I just don’t know if I trust JR Smith to be the kind of guy who can just come to a team and instantly mesh.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 6, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he'd play behind Shumpert and Landry. JR Smith is a lot better than those dudes
and he sure as hell is better than Larry Hughes. I mean, damn! I have qualms about JR Smith, but if I could sign a 6’6" version of Nate Robinson (which is not a terrible comparison, though JR is a better jump shooter and is tall enough to actually defend other SGs) for just $2.5 million I’d be all over that shit. If he doesn’t work out, poof, next season he’s gone. We’re 9-15, I don’t think there’s much of a season for him to ruin. It’s all upside.
Yeah I mean, there is no denying the low cost of it.
But I guess I am just thinking about more than just potential. We’ve got a lot of young Knicks on this team. And I’m just not sold that a guy JR Smith can come into this team and find his place and play a role. I feel like he is more apt to just use the Knicks as an audition or something. “Like I’m back in the US, now I gotta prove I still have game” He just strikes me as a guy who wants to be the man. And i don’t think that attitude is the best fit for the Knicks.
It’s less about his game and more about his head in my opinion. Hey, how long has it taken him in China to start throwing fits? Dude chose to play overseas for the lockout and it was made pretty damn clear that the one place they wouldn’t let guys out of contracts early was China. They knew that from the beginning. And not even a couple months into a new contract and rumors hit about him trying to tank his way out of the league? I mean c’mon now. It says to me that here is a guy who has to get his way or he will does what he wants and become a distraction. And if that rings true, well…
But I will admit, I could be plenty wrong and he could be a terrific teammate who really makes a difference.
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

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