Knicks 99, Nets 92: "That was like a Disney movie."
First of all, my apologies for not getting this up sooner. I was having some posting/editing issues last night and decided to leave this until the morning. The good news, at least for our present purposes, is that I'm not even close to over that game. We've seen explosive performances from role players before-- somebody mentioned Nate Robinson's outburst New Year's Day outburst against the Hawks-- but, as far as I can recall, nothing quite like this.
Take the jump!
Let me make this clear if you didn't watch the game: Jeremy Lin dominated Deron Williams. Lin played 34 minutes-- the most of any guard-- off the bench and burned Williams more times than I can count. The Knicks set one pick after another for Lin and the kid kept finding new ways to employ them. He'd accelerate over the pick one time, then head-fake his defender and drive away from the pick the next time. Often, he'd drift toward the corner or loop around and under the basket, maintaining his dribble until he could thread an entry pass into Tyson Chandler or Amar'e Stoudemire. Now, we'd seen flashes of those pick-and-roll instincts in garbage times prior. What we hadn't seen was Lin finishing plays, and THAT is what drove the Garden crowd to chant the kid's name, had the typically staid Mike Breen squealing his praises, and made last night feel like a Disney movie, just like StarksMiddleFinger said in the thread.
Lin, weary and gasping for air, just kept finishing plays. He dropped bounce passes into big men at the basket, tantalized soaring defenders with lobs that only Chandler could reach, and converted hanging, twisting shots at the rim, often with contact. And when Lin found that he couldn't sink an outside shot, he put the ball on the floor and got closer, rimming in a few tough pull-ups from the baseline and free throw line area.
And Lin finished Deron's plays for him, too! Williams had been sharp in the early going, ditching Iman Shumpert over screens to find open looks and start the ball kicking, but Lin came in and more or less shut him down. He shuffled those feet like a champ, never allowing himself to get stirred by Wililams's jabbing and juking, and played perfect containing defense through screens to keep himself between Williams and the rim. After a poised, productive first quarter, Williams saw predominantly tough looks under pressure the rest of the way and looked genuinely flustered at times.
It was as moving and engrossing an individual game as we've seen in a while-- 25 points on 19 shots, seven assists, five rebounds, two steals, and just one turnover from a guy who'd bounced around the league, waited patiently on the Knicks bench, and struggled in the prior minutes he'd received. Lin was shaky to start, but once he got comfortable, he took last night's game over at both ends of the floor.
And what's crazy is that the Knicks really needed it! In their third game in third nights, Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire could not be relied upon to lead the team. Melo looked worn out and sore, launching jumpers with the same overwrought form we'd seen when his wrist and ankle injuries were at their worst. Amar'e shot the ball with reasonable efficiency, but was flummoxed by Kris Humphries and just couldn't stick around because of constant foul trouble. The Nets shot their way to an early double-digit lead, and New York had to scramble to muster a response. The Knicks were left with two things going for them: a sparkling two-man game between Lin and Chandler, and ever-tightening defense that trapped Net ballhandlers and did a much better job at forcing turnovers and closing out shooters after the Nets recorded zero turnovers and drained five threes in the first quarter.
And let us not forget Jared Jeffries, who had a terrific game off the bench and influenced the outcome almost as much as Lin did. For one, Jared benefited from Lin's creativity just like Chandler did, getting open off picks and finishing plays inside, including some pretty fancy ones. Most of all, though, Jeffries played the role of shadow on defense, lurking in the wake of guards to help trap ball handlers or slide over and contest shots or draw charges when they gained entry (I think he drew three or four offensive fouls, which is awesome).
And that did it. Against a short-handed but fairly tough Nets team, the Knick principals were out of steam (well, not Tyson Chandler. You are a monster, Tyson.), and Jeremy Lin reported for duty, recruited Chandler and Jeffries as his sidekicks, and won himself a basketball game. We really, really needed that. Other notes:
- Landry Fields made some nice plays-- a lob to Chandler, a nice finish off a curl, and a baseline jumper-- but faded a bit in reduced minutes the rest of the way. He, Iman Shumpert, and Toney Douglas sort of rotated as Lin's off-guard throughout the night.
- And, though he didn't play especially well (there was one nice and-one), that's about what we're looking for from Douglas, I think. He played 13 minutes and spent very little time handling the ball. I think that's the right role for him, and I think he'll feel more comfortable there and, with luck, start sinking some jumpers.
- While Melo didn't play well, I was delighted to see him manage his own shooting impulses and, save for a few moments of stickiness, keep the ball moving. His shooting form has degraded in each of the last three games-- presumably because of soreness and exhaustion, because he'd looked back to normal before that-- and so, thankfully, have his attempts. 26 on Thursday, 17 Friday, and 15 last night.
- Avery Johnson drinks from his water bottle like a baby would from its baby bottle-- desperately and noisily, too, I'd bet. I was kind of hoping to see him use two hands.
- Renaldo Balkman played first half minutes again! He had a really cool rebound.
- One Chandler play I'd like to highlight: A bad tipped pass caromed away from him, but he didn't give up on the play. He dove onto the ball with full force, passed it back out from a seated position, then got up and finished the play with a tomahawk dunk. That's Chandler after playing 73 minutes combined over the previous two nights. The man, like I said, is a goddamn monster.
- Those of you who watch Knicks games on MSG probably know this phenomenon: The network has a relatively limited number of sponsors, so each year, you get very familiar with a set of commercials that appear as many as a dozen times each night. After a month or two watching the Knicks, you get to know pretty much every word, noise, gesture, and musical note in each of the commercials. Often, like with that KFC "wingman" commercial (target demographic much, KFC?), it's a bit torturous. In rare occasions, though, I find myself looking forward to a particular part of one of those oft-repeated commercials. Two come to mind this season: 1. In that Visa commercial where the guy wins the Super Bowl tickets, I love the little Elmo laugh sound effect that plays when his "Meemaw" is throwing the confetti. I get excited for it every time. 2. In that FreeCreditScore.com commercial with the band, I really like the band's synchronized slide moves and the lead singer's little spin move with his guitar. I do not know why I cherish these moments, but I do. When you see the same thing fifty times a week (that's probably not an exaggeration), it's good to find ways to enjoy the interaction. It's adaptive.
- (Incidentally, there was a credit card commercial-- I think it was for American Express-- in 1997 that was about a lady breaking her sunglasses then inventing flexible sunglasses and featured Johnny Nash's "I Can See Clearly Now". Eight year-old me LOVED that commercial. That's my first experience with this phenomenon.)
- Speaking of commercials, when MSG's "KFC Bucket Chart" demonstrated Tyson Chandler's affinity for shots at the rim, Clyde exclaimed "He likes that Kentucky Fried Chicken, doesn't he? Likes the bucket! Feasting on the bucket!".
- Great exchange when Lin hit a jumper:
Breen: "He's got 17!"
Clyde: "That's his number!"
- Fun moment (and a weird reprise of something that happened with Steve Novak in garbage time the other night): Kris Humphries fell to his knees chasing a rebound. Carmelo Anthony grabbed said rebound and attempted a putback while straddling and essentially being football-tackled by Humphries.
- Great move shaving your head, Johan Petro. Seriously, you look a lot better. I'm really proud of you for taking that step.
- In garbage time the other night, a few of us saw the guys on the Knick bench do an exaggerated bowing celebration when Lin scored and we were like "yo, that's kind of racist". But toward the end of the game last night, Melo and Lin faced each other and did that celebration in unison. He's cool with it, guys, so it's totally okay!
- The group hug/noogie that Lin got as time expired got me genuinely choked up. A couple years ago, I saw Lin battle John Wall in a packed house in Vegas, and folks were openly weeping when he played well. I kinda laughed at the time (though it's awesome to see people that worked up-- in a good way-- about basketball), yet there I was, a year and a half later, stifling joyful tears after a Jeremy Lin game.
- Finally, the Garden PA system played Pearl Jam's "Jeremy" after the final buzzer, which I suppose is cool if you're into that kind of thing. I just hope...you know...that he doesn't kill himself and stuff.
And that's all I've got for now. If you missed the game, I'll post some of the videos later today, but you really ought to find a full-length replay and enjoy all of the majesty. I've got it recorded if you want to come over.
Other than that, I might post a little bit later on, but it'll be quiet today. Everybody have a wonderful, gluttonous Super Bowl Sunday. I love you all very much and was thrilled to share last night with y'all. <3.
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Highlights (pretty much his whole night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIIo6GNW70k
Google translate tells me that the people commenting are very joyful at his performance.
Stainer of mountaintops.
I don't know how I missed it last night, but they showed a horribly racist poster of Lin on MSG last night.
It shows up around the 6:30 mark of the video. Looks like a normal, fairly mediocre, drawing, and then boom! Slits for eyes.
To be fair, it is an Asian family holding it up
So…
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Feb 5, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno man
kinda feel like it would be racist if they drew him with big round blue eyes… but i guess everything is racist these days.
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exactly
errythang is raycess deez days. na lemme get sum of dat bucket chicken from da wingman
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i dont exactly know for sure that kfc commercial is racist
but it sure makes me sad to think that another human being someplace thinks that is the the way to get anyone to buy chicken. I mean it’s chicken, fuck race chicken is tasty, it shouldn’t be that hard to sell.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 5, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Lesson learned
Never draw anything, ya bigot!
by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
yes
everything is racist…including yogurt.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 5, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
that you will waste watching this on replay
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Haha I watched it three times
All 7 minutes of it. That’s 21 Lin-minutes.
by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Seemed like a harmless little @&%!
ooooohhh but we unleashed a lion
nothing wrong with Karate!
I did it for 4 years as a young one
Looks like Bruce Lee with them shredded deltoids
I will go to my grave believing that if the Knicks had picked up Earl Barron before the 2011 Playoffs, we would not have been swept by the Celtics.
funny yesterday
I made a shit post (literally) in response to td and Lin being shit. anyways…it ended with me calling Lin Ghost. I think ghost or shao-lin is appropriate.
any takers??
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Shao-Lin Shadowballin'
and the Wu-Tang sword style.
Do you think your Wu-Tang sword can defeat me??
sword duel noises
just think if Baron Davis ever comes back
and if he could be half the point guard Jeremy Lin is. WOW!
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions
awww. sheit
already?? lol
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 12:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Really excited to see what a rotation of:
Baron, Landry, Melo, Amare, Chandler, Shump, Jorts, Jeffries and possibly JR Smith could do at full strength.
Yes Lin as well
Playing backup point so that Shump doesn’t have to play out of position
I like it I do
and your post may be being cut out by mrs. Jeffries as we speak. Who would have thunk JJ would ever make that list. Lin made him sing last night…just like MDA had hoped!
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jeffries is a basketball player
He keeps getting hired/traded for, so he must be doing something right. If you watch him, he tends to be in the right place at the right time always. I think he’s another guy who if he ever just gets over his head issues will be a great 6th man.
And it’s ok for me to say that because the Knicks won last night. Ask me again after the next loss.
by superturboultra on Feb 5, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
agreed but I think you can start to see
the players who excel in MDA’s offense tend to have above average basketball intelligence and court vision. They don’t always have to be the most physically talented player in the league.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa
First of all it’s hand issues, as in he doesn’t have them.
He could never be a great 6th man, and although I’m happy for him having his best night last night I hope he’s not in the rotation at the end of the year.
He’s a liability on offense and his defense is overrated. He also seems to fall down a lot for no reason. He often looks lost on the court and I think he leads the league in getting hit in the head with the ball.
He grabbed 10 rebounds last night, but he usually can’t rebound at all, given his lack of hands. He just kinda swats at it.
If he can continue to rebound, he’ll continue to have a place in the rotation, but I don’t see that happening.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Nickname submission
Heady, smart play and Harvard pedigree combined with his aggressive moves to the tin, plus the Shaolin/Wu Tang/NYC connection, can his nickname be anything other than the Chessboxer?
lots of folks wanted jj barea in the offseason
i did not. firstly because he was commanding more money than he was deserving. but mostly because he seems like a cocky little brat. but mann-mann sort of brings the same skills to the table. and he’s taller, and cheaper.
similar to barea- he’s not going to create the mismatches you need every night. but when he does, he can probably make a big difference toward the outcome. great game for him. great game for tyson chandler. reasonably ok game for toney douglas (should be noted)!!
the other thing that really stood out, and has been slowly trending, is jared jeffries finishing at the rim. he doesn’t get a lot of opportunities- but he is finally going at the rim with aggression and determination. thats the only way to score down low, and he’s got the height and athleticism, i have no idea whats taken so long. but he needs to never stop that.
baron… baron… baron… baron…
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definitely noted on Jeffries.
I believe “aint nothin changed but my limp”. meaning its only his confidence that has been higher. I still hold my breathe everytime he takes a jumper .but I no longer think of that Boston playoff layup every time he’s by the basket.
and on douglas. I really don’t think he played any different last night. his 3ball hated the rim. and he made one good play. I think the more he plays sg the better though. his confidence too will benifit from being setup by a pg distributing well
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
toney continued...
when he handles the rock too much, he forces things and doesn’t really accomplish ANYTHING, so now he’s just sorta of allowed to take whats there, and if nothing- get rid of it.
/// aighttho.com \/// twitter.com/aighttho \
yea he can
let the ball find him now
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
JJ on OFFENSE
it only proves that this kid has what it takes to be a PG – he made opportunities for JarredJeffries! WOW, that is BIG time!
In after the game interview
with Tina, she asked Lin how he was able to keep DW off the score sheet in the second half. He answered – that’s not about what I did, that’s what the entire team did. At that moment STAT, standing behind Lin all this time, gave him a pat on the back, like good answer, kid. I think it was nice of both of them.
what got me in the locker room post game interview
was that he TALKED like a PG. He was focused on the right variables. I had not heard that before from the Knick PG stand ins. He sounded very much like MDA actually.
Also I loved when Melo barked for the ball in the 3rd (as he had been doing to Lin earlier and Lin had acquiesced and then seemed to regret it) and Lin just looked him off and went inside. You almost saw his stature on the team change right there.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
there also
was a point where melo brought the ball up and Lin expected the pass( right before mid court) to start the offense melo looked him off but then gave it to him anyways right after passing mid court. love how melo is buying into the system since returning from the injury days off.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Feb 5, 2012 2:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think that is the point before my favorite play
When he splits DWill and Hump for the And-1
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Agreed. that was great too
just the way he kept the energy up and everyone involved. There was also a STAT to Melo dish that for some unfathomable reason I credit Lin. STAT seemed hesitant to pass to Melo but seemed to get caught up in the caring and sharing Lin brought to the court. Melo took the pass and drove for two…I believe.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
was that the awesome Melo dunk?
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Can't be positive but I loved when Melo
went all gutsy and would not be denied on the rebound/put back while being tackled/stepping on Humphries.
that was a Lin inspired play as well I believe.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
that was tight
but it could’ve ended so poorly
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I also for some reason gave Lin credit for the play where Amar'e passed to Melo who passed to Tyson
It was just a lot of cool crisp passes leading to 2 easy points and some on the court chemistry between our three stars. Beautiful
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
MDA's offense run correctly
or even slightly correctly is such a beautiful thing to behold.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
noticed that too
felt STAT was more or less rubbing his head as you would your lil bro when he did a good job
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
One sexy night?
Should I be excited about this and expect a decent level of play from Lin on a nightly basis? or should I just note this as an incredible one night stand never to be replicated again forever longing for that one incredible night of passion?
you deserve to know
and the only way we all know if MikeD put him on the floor….he did it last night and that means he is capable and has the ability to repeat but he is not expected with all our other weapons…
You should be able to expect that Lin will be an average NBA point guard
Which is better than we’ve had this season.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
and which MDA has a history of making look better than average
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Lin is deceptively quick
I don’t think defenders were looking at him and expecting how fast he can get to the rim
plus he finished
which he hadn’t been doing which means he became a real threat. He has to work on his outside shot but one positive was after missing those couple or four three point shots he moved to a closer look. Loved the thinking and adaptability.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
I was just thinking something similar
It’s like the phenomenon you see in football all the time, where guys who may not have the fastest 40 time, get around the field the fastest. Lin, clearly isn’t all that fast a runner, but he can get to the basket as quick as anyone.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
Man, I really have to wonder
Not that the guy’s going to be a hall of famer or an all-star, but how does a guy like this go unrecruited by major colleges, and undrafted? Is it possible people really discounted him, either consciously or unconsciously, because he’s Asian? It seems unbelievable to me, but then, I grew up a white guy in NY amongst lots of hispanics, blacks, asians and everybody else.
If so, I think it’s awesome that the guy had this game, and if he has a decent career here, I think that’s awesome too. It’s like we’re on the side of righteousness again.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
by fuhry on Feb 5, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i really can believe that no matter how people deny it, that is true somewhat
people dont really give him any chance because he is asian…all american in high school led his 32-1 team to a ship…walked on at harvard..went face to face with john wall and almost carried the team single handed over uconn…to now being undrafted…dude never gives up thats the thing ill give to him…it truly does sound like a disney movie.
Blue And Orange Over Everything
Guys who don't go to schools in the top conferences are always discredited because of the competition they face
there is truth to that, Wiki has a quote with him mentioning it played a factor
posted this before, but he showed up for some all-star game with a coach who didn’t know him and the coach said ‘We don’t play volley ball here’
He also wanted to go to UCLA, but could only come as a walk on, so he chose Harvard over Brown – the 2 places he was assured a starting spot. The UCLA coach later said he would have absolutely started. UConn coach had praise for him too, after Harvard beat UConn his senior year.
The kid was top-5 High School player in California his senior year, he doesn’t have flashy stuff, but every top-5 player from a state should be given a chance in a good school, but he wasn’t. Good thing is, after last night, race as an obstacle is history. But you don’t go to a top school and play against top talent, you’re less likely to get drafted, and it all has to effect your self-confidence. Clearly he just needed a little success to have a lot of confidence out there. Kid was straight balling by the fourth last night
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They're replaying it at 2:30 on YES
I know you won’t get Clyde, and I’m sure MSG is replaying at some point, but for those of us without MSG who didn’t watch the whole thing, this is nice
It can be DONE
The last time I posted here – maybe a month ago already. I begged to give this kid-JLin a chance at PG. He can definitely do PG stuff and MOST definitely can repeat what he did last night but it is not expected for him to do so because we have other weapons.
He will keep the defense honest which will create opportunities for others. We can;t go any worse the way our other so called PGs are playing if we have any decent ones.
There were a lot of good things that are starting to evolve these past 3 games although we lost 2 of 3 but we could easily had been 3-0!
I truly believe that better days are ahead for our NYK! Let us go balLIN’
Awesome Awesome Awesome
Lin was just so great. And the refs were so brutally bad, the Knicks really could have won this game over a really terrible Nets team by much more than they actually did.
Not sure if this was mentioned earlier but Lin really has a tremendous amount of confidence. So many times over the last few games something would go wrong and my inner voice went “well ok, it was fun while it lasted, time for him to lower his head and get back to the end of the bench”…but it never happened! Cant forget the guy is a Harvard grad, degree in Economics. You have to be a tough, smart, and cocky SOB to attain that level of success. I’m not saying Lin is going to solve everything for us, but it certainly won’t be from Lin getting overwhelmed or caught up in the moment.
I miss Jorts
(Has nothing to do with this game or Lin, but I miss Jorts)
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
he was out there congratulating Lin near the end
not wearing jorts though
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Jorts was the only thing that could have made last night more awesome
Can’t wait for him to get back. In addition to being a fun guy to root for, I think he’s going to be a good rotational piece going forward.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
but seeing him pop off the bench to congratulate Lin
that was good enough.
by I know smart people on Feb 5, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
he will be
but I think Jefferies showed why his D is important too. If you got someone who can find JJ down low for a few easy buckets per game, then he more than earns his time out there
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I expect all his suits to be made out of denim
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
when Lin first checked in, Knicks were down by 10 or 12
they won by 7. We should be beating a beat-up Nets team by 15ish points, and we did after he went in
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Another funny MSG musical note
When Iman scores, they play the part of Kriss Kross’ Jump right after “Kriss Kross will make ya” when it sounds like “Shump Shump”.
I dug it anyway.
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Feb 5, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions
Not to rain on a parade, but
I’m psyched as anybody about Lin’s play yesterday, but I was also among those chanting MVP, MVP when Mozgov scored ~22 with ~12 rebounds last year.
I also remember Rick Carlisle got 18 points in his first game with the Knicks in ~1985.
Then again, Ewing got a putback slam in the first minute of the first game of his career.
I hope this is more like that last one than the others, but youneverknow.
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by Bernard King's Game Face on Feb 5, 2012 3:12 PM EST reply actions
actually. my expectations for him are pretty modest
Until we see what BD has in the tank – he just needs to come off the bench and provide some true PG services – you know stuff like
read the D and help chandler and stat finish on PnR plays;
Keep the D honest by slicing into the paint for some simple finger rolls;
Harass the other PG enough to force them to waste time of the shot clock and hurry their offense
Simple stuff that TD seems unable to do and shump-shump seems unwilling to do.
For what it's worth
Mozgov is the starting center for a team that will have homecourt seeding in the playoffs in the West.
As for Lin, my expectations went from zero to “hey, he could be an NBA player.” He’s not going to be dropping 25 on All-NBA PGs very often, but if he can give us 20-28 minutes of solid, not even spectacular, PG play so that the offense doesn’t curl up into a ball and die when Carmelo/Shump are sitting, the Knicks will be so much improved.
Exactly?
They’ll play at home in the 1st round. Great job!
???
When someone says homecourt seeding, I think first round. Then there’s homecourt throughout the West, and homecourt throughout the playoffs.
by superturboultra on Feb 6, 2012 7:19 AM EST up reply actions
still here
This is maybe the fourth or fifth time I’ve watched the Knicks I used to love and it was without a doubt magical. Hope the young egghead continues with anything approaching what he did last night Unfortunately the Melo effect will take hold. Look at Landry; look at DWTDD; look at A’Mare. He is a cancer.
Just to let you know, Dino and Timofey are thriving in Denver. Mozgov shows sign of becoming a player. For getting rid of a good young team
DOLAN MUST GO
egghead? Melo=cancer?
BOO
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Take a look
at the comparative records since the trade. Are you going to argue with the facts? The Nuggets are a better team thanks to Dolan’s insistence on giving them what they wanted. The Knicks? They’re of shadow of the team they were a year ago. Is there one, just one Knick fan who believes Dolan knows what he is doing? Yeah, seriously.
Then go root for the Nuggets
Given that they only have two players from that trade playing for them right now, it’s not a fair comparison. Unless we somehow gave them Ty Lawson and Nene in that trade. Or you know, all the other players in their 10 man rotation.
Furthermore we turned that trade into Melo and Tyson Chandler. Who are actual basketball players, not just showing signs of it.
Melo>Gallo
Tyson>Mozgov
Secondly our record pre-trade and post-trade last season are pretty much exactly the same, although the pre-trade team was falling off a cliff fast because in order to get to that record because Dantoni had to run Amar’e and Felton’s legs into the ground.
Not to mention TD got significantly better post-trade last year.
The struggles this year are as follows:
1) we don’t have a point guard which is necessary to succeed in the nba
2) TD’s struggles have largely come from forcing to play out of position
3) Even Amar’e admits he hasn’t had his legs under him until recently and he’s looked a lot like his old self in recent games
Of course, you wouldn’t know these things because you admit yourself that you never watch the games. But don’t let ignorance get in the way of spouting completely absurd notions such as melo being a cancer
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
I mean, sure,
Our problems stem from many sources, but I can’t say with any certainty that Melo is NOT a cancer, either.
Dolan is almost definitely a disease of some lethal kind
Ignorance?
I haven’t spoken ill of anyone other than Dolan and Melo. i have in the past said I would return if Dolan sold the team. He has ruined it.
Pre=trade and post trade record the same. Really. Worse. Nuggets better.
1) They traded away their point guard
2) If they hadn’t traded Felton, TD would not have to play PG.
3) They traded away half the team so of course any injury is going to hurt.
I did say it was the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen them this year, and until the trade last year I watched as often as possible.
Here’s an idea for the Knicks from a lunatic observer. Move Melo to SG; start JJ at SF. Feel free to pass it onto Isaiah when he returns.
DOLAN MUST GO – GO NUGGETS
they would have had a better record since that date w/o the trade too
2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!
you are seriously the most ignorant fan i have ever seen
I hate seriously how everyone compares the Nuggets to the Knicks in terms of players and their records pre and post melo trade. First off the players the Nuggets got in the trade had a smooth transition into Karl’s system because he plays the same exact run and gun, fast paced team basketball which the pre-trade knicks thrived in. Not to mention the players they picked up in the offseason in andre miller and rudy fernandez thrive in the same system because of their skill set which why they have a deep rotation of solid players. We on the other hand essentially got a brand new team in the trade not to mention conflicting playing styles with melo iso and amare needing a fluid offense to thrive in. Then came the offseason and we essentially blew up the roster again to get tyson chandler and others, so basically this team started the season with players who basically have never played with each other in a game let alone had conflicting playing styles
1) Amare is now playing the 4 instead of the 5 which he played all last year and had the space to operate. But that doesn’t exist now because of chandler’s presence but as you can see they are finally working things out
2) Melo was used to being the premier player in Denver well he wasn’t anymore but to break 8 years of ball stopping isn’t going to happen in 23 games (even though there are very promising signs now) and thats why we need a pg to dictate the offense
3) Said pg was BIllups who knew how to run said offense but we let him go to get chandler and with no true pg (until Lin last night) this offense has been running wild asking players to do things they normally don’t do such as TD playing point when he is a shoot first player, Melo to distribute and facilitate when he is a score first player, Shump to run this offense when also he is a slash type guard more than a true pg. Now with lin running the offense we saw its true potential and it looked awesome and guess what its only going to get better as he plays more (and by the looks of it he already has the respect of Melo, Amare, and Chandler)
4) To call Melo a cancer or anyone else on this team is just flat out ignorant, Melo has been making strides along with the team to perform better on both ends. These guys had a total of TWO WEEKS AND TWO PRESEASON GAMES to get things going when usually you have a month and eight preseason games. We can sit here and play the blame game on D’antoni for our record and to some degree its justified but also the FO is prob more to blame for not getting coach a true pg to run this offense till we found LIN, and more importantly the condensed schedule has screwed us in terms of time to figure out the kinks of making this system work for everyone (which it seems like they are finally figuring it out)
Maybe you should watch this team better yet go rent a basketball 101 movie and learn some fundamentals, better yet go play some pick up games at the park and see what it takes to form a cohesive unit that plays to its max potential before making such absurd comments based solely on numbers that don’t reflect the true reasons for our struggles and the Nuggets success up to date. In the long run we are a better playoff team than the Denver and trust me this team will make the run either this year, next year, of after but they will
i dunno if i can read this
because its not directed at dziedzic
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sticks and stones
The records speak for themselves and an awful lot of your logic is just a little skewed.
Do you remember Ray Felton? He was a point guard traded to the Nuggets as part of one of the worst trades in NBA history. The Nuggets got Andre Miller for him. TheKnicks could have packaged him for Deron Williams. Why the hell not. He would have cost less and would have been infinitely more valuable on a team with Stoudemire, Gallinari, and Chandler?. Even if it cost Gallinari, it still would have been a better team.
I don’t know how old you are but I had the great pleasure of watching the Knicks of the late 60’s develop and there has not been a team in NBA history that worked together as well as that team. Unless Mr. Lin is a miracle worker, and I really hope he is, this team will never function. Very simply put; One of your forwards must at least show some interest in playing defense.
As for Melo learning to diminish his greatness:
Earl Monroe learned that lesson in a blink of the eye. I admit I am extremely harsh in my view of Melo. It’s what he represents – the destruction of a young team that might have gone places. It was a fun ride that Dolan shot down.
Jeremy Lin = Lincredible!
Funnest game I’ve seen in a long Knicks while. Thumbs up.
Did this dude just did this?
Dantoni cut himself off but he made a telling comment in his post game conference
said Lin has a point guard mentality… everytthing he does on the court has a purpose … and that the other players can figure out what he is trying to do … then it seemed he cut himself off from saying that when (TD/Schump?) has the ball no knows what they are trying to do.
What an incredible night....
that’s all I can say…
And that I was wrong when I railed against picking Jefferies up before the season…
Nets do have pretty much the worst D in the league
It certainly helps make everyone look good. But you know, if Lin plays even half as well going forward, and Carmelo and Amar’e finally make their shots, the Knicks can be dangerous
My brother.... Yellow Chocolate!!!!
Way to break out Mr. Lin!!! First time you’ve been given major burn, and you show the world why you belong in the NBA. A nice insurance policy in case BDiddy can’t be 100%. This team woefully needed a ball handler with court vision, and while this is only one game, you showed what happens when proper pick-n-roll is executed. W/ Tyson and STAT, it should be simple to lob all damn day.
But to be honest, it is the Nets, and really, any NBA-worthy PG could thrive in this system, with the front court we have. No PG is making this team a D-League dropout…. and I’m sorry… while I love iMan’s D game, he’s got some learning curve before he takes over floor general duties.
But let’s give Little J-Lin his props, and hopefully major minutes from now on. He’s gonna have bad games too, but anything is better than TD and his behind the basket passes and half court line trips.

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