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Knicks 99, Jazz 88: "WOW."

I just spent a good twenty minutes combing the threads for a comment that I felt did that game justice, but nothing really worked except for the one quoted above (uttered by quite a few people, but copied and pasted from Spike4Prez). Just wow. With Jeremy Lin suddenly thrust into the starting lineup, this game already felt bound to be a letdown following Saturday's rapturous spectacle. When Amar'e Stoudemire had to leave town, the odds became even more imposing. And when Carmelo Anthony strained his groin in the first quarter, a win seemed near impossible.

But they did it! And by "they", I mean Lin and his sidekicks, the foremost of which were Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries. Those guys did it. That sentence was as blissfully baffling to write as it must have been to read.

Take the jump for details.

Star-divide

- So, yeah, Melo checked out pretty quickly. He pulled up lame while running up the floor and, despite tossing a pretty sweet alley-oop to Tyson Chandler right afterward, had to leave the game pretty quickly. He's got a strained groin now to go with his sprained ankle and wrist. D'Antoni said he's day-to-day. Moving on...

- Jeremy Lin kind of did it again, guys. In the first half, he did the same excellent job of keeping his dribble and waiting patiently for lanes to open off picks set for him by big men. When they did, he slipped bounce passes in to Chandler and Jeffries or accelerated toward the rim and finished the play himself. And again, a number of those plays were simply executed, but some were incredibly difficult maneuvers against pretty solid defense-- hanging off-balance lay-ins, split double teams, and precise passes through narrow openings. Once more, he showed the rhythm and gift with angles to identify fleeting channels of opportunity and, even better, the uncanny athleticism to exploit them. We got more nifty pick-and-roll feeds and an even greater helping of acrobatic finishes off the glass (my favorite being one where he drove left around the pick, then switched hands under the rim for the righty up-and-under finish while getting fouled by Al Jefferson).

- In the second half, the Jazz gave Lin a different look. Devin Harris practically dry-humped him over halfcourt, and the Utah bigs began hedging and trapping with abandon and forcing Lin toward the sidelines, even doubling him occasionally in the absence of a screen. It was in that second half that Lin committed all eight of his turnovers, though that number isn't nearly as discouraging as it sounds. For one, the kid looked like he was going to vomit and/or die in the third and fourth quarters. For two, that trapping and doubling (which, in itself, was kind of encouraging) was a luxury the Jazz could only afford without Melo or Amar'e to worry about. For three, at least a couple of those turnovers were passes that went awry because he was too ambitious or because the receiver wasn't expecting to be fed. I've got no problem with those kinds of turnovers. So, eight turnovers in a half is pretty outlandish, but it just seemed like Lin was tired, victim of an attacking defense, and bold more than he was shoddy or out of control. And, shit, he made some fine-ass plays in between those turnovers. Lin finished 28 and 8, and he would've had more assists and that double-double if Chandler and Jeffries finished a couple more of his sexy passes.

- Jared Jeffries was again the co-MVP with Lin. Tyson Chandler played just 22 minutes because of foul trouble, so Jeffries was often the lone interior defender on the floor. Jeffries had to let Al Jefferson burn him on occasion, but he also provided countless deflections and distractions and drew FIVE charges in the paint. He had a massive defensive game and, though he blew a number of offensive finishes, he made good on the contact he drew by shooting a solid 7-10 from the line. Terrific game.

- Chandler was great, too, but his curious character flaw of biting on obvious fakes got him in trouble, hence the 22 minutes. He finished quite a few Lin passes, though, and got to the line when he didn't. Also, his block on Gordon Hayward in the final seconds was BADASS.

- Steve Novak, guys! Novak scored an incredibly efficient 19 points on 10 shots (in 17 minutes), including 5-8 shooting from downtown. This was NOT a one-dimensional performance, though. Sometimes he faked the three and pulled up for a long two! The guy's versatile as hell! (Seriously, though, great game. The Knicks, as they always do, needed shooting tonight, and Novak gave them exactly that.)

- Raja Bell's sneaker fell off in the quarter and he got all mad when the ref didn't stop play for him and he had to foul somebody. I guess basketball games usually stop and start at Raja Bell's convenience?

- Landry Fields made a few nice basketball baskets early, but typically didn't look to score as much as the game progressed. Meanwhile, Fields has quietly become pretty adept at handling the ball in the pick-and-roll. He had a few very Landry connections with Jeffries in the second half.

- We saw zone defense for a moment in the second quarter, and possibly once or twice thereafter.

- Iman Shumpert's four threes--all misses- were in rhythm, but he still looks a lot better attacking the basket and trying to create something for somebody. He made a couple slick plays in transition, a nice extra pass or two, and some pretty important strips in mismatch situations.

- Bill Walker played 30 minutes, hit three of his nine threes, and put in some pretty nice defensive possessions. Few of those nice defensive possessions came when he was playing power forward and had to guard, like, Derrick Favors. (A Lin-Shumpert-Fields-Walker-Chandler saw some minutes at the beginning of the fourth).

- Pretty cool that the Knicks forced Utah-- one of the league's least turnover-prone teams-- into twenty turnovers. To be fair, the Jazz really did look like they'd shared a pot of barbiturate gazpacho before the game, but still, that was great, active floor defense by the Knicks. They made up for Utah's massive interior advantage (particularly sans Chandler) by ramping up the poking, prodding, and pestering away from the rim.

- Okay, a few more things about Lin. A few people talked about this in the thread and D'Antoni alluded to it after the game, but Lin's intelligence is readily evident. Simple, small things like nipping at the ball when he knows a big man is preoccupied with finding an outlet or waving off Shump to hit Novak on a second opportunity really add up.

- Oh, and when the Jazz were coming back and the Knicks really needed a big shot, Shumpert air-balled a jumper and Chandler tipped out the miss to Lin, who...

Lin1_medium

Buzzer-beating three -> Backpedaling nod + wink -> SKINK MOUF. Wonderful.

- Jerome Jordan finally got to spin in meaningful minutes, which was not as triumphant an occasion as I had imagined it to be.

- Clyde, reacting to a bad lob from Fields that slipped through Chandler's fingers: "Looked like Wes Welker on that one! Ha-ha! Yeahhhhhhhhh!".

- If the Knicks had squandered that lead down the stretch, we all would have pointed to six missed free throws-- four from Chandler and two short ones from a panting Lin-- that would have kicked the lead up to double digits in the mid-fourth. Didn't matter.

- 'Twas great to see Melo come out of the tunnel in street clothes and cheer the team through the final minutes of the game.

And that is all. Without two of their stars and with only half a game from the third, the Knicks relied on two former D-Leaguers and Jared Jeffries and shut down a pretty good, considerably bigger team. It was...wow.

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Lin is our Tim Tebow!

Except he’s doesn’t suck for 3 quarters

by lololol on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

NO

He is our Trent Cole

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Feb 7, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

bimbo coles?

"Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."

by FrankWhyte on Feb 7, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

ew

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Feb 8, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

true

Though I would absolutely love it if Lin could show enough to be our starter next year. Games 1 + 2 LE (Lin era) have shown the two biggest areas he needs to improve on are left-handed dribbling and outside shooting. I imagine he could improve the lefty dribbling a lot in time, and the outside shooting should be able to gain respectability. Seth posted stats in the game thread that show it ain’t terrible

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

me too

Now that we’ve got a real PG I guess I’m going to have to fork over for League Pass. It looks like we are going to be competitive. I still don’t trust D’Antoni’s decision making

I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane

by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Use of the timeout when Lin was panting like crazy in the third and the Jazz were running

might have helped, but I feel people are often over critical of him. Given enough time, I think NYers will hate almost all coaches that haven’t won multiple championships. People hated Coughlin after last season, and before the amazing run, and he had won a title only a few seasons ago

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Coughlin never bothered me

although he is a bit of a stick in the mud, I think football coaching requires a different skillset. D’Antoni on the other hand had to have Lin practically forced down his throat before he ever gave the guy a chance to show his stuff. Then pulling Lin out at the end of the Boston game and never giving him a chance to finish the Bulls game when clearly the guy was our best option shows a profound stupidity, to me anyway. Also, his overuse of Amar’e last year , rendering him useless in the playoffs, I thought was inferior coaching. Then again, if the alternative is Woodson, we might as well keep him around.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

as has been said, no one would have given Lin a shot sooner

and as for the Boston game, it was annoying he didn’t go back out there, but it was a bigger picture move imo, which I respect for a coach under a lot of heat. He sent Tony out one last time so he could compare the two, and Lin still wasn’t playing with the confidence gained the past two nights, so it’s easy to say he should have been out there for us and a few days later, but was still a tough decision imo at the time.

I don’t agree with everything MDA does, but that will be the case for every coach. This guy knows his players better than anyone, and is trying to do the best with no PG, although it looks poor at times. As has been said, Melo as point forward would have looked much better if people were hitting shots early in the season, or if Fields were playing like he has recently all year. STAT’s been rusty, Melo’s been hurt and TD has sucked tremendously. I don’t think there are any coaches that could be doing much better.

I also don’t think this should be blamed on the trade from last year. If you put Tyson on that pre-trade team, then I think it would currently be doing better than this team but 1) I don’t think Tyson would come to that NY team and 2) I don’t think they would ever be serious championship contenders. However, I do think the talent on this team can be championship caliber. If Lin can lead what was basically the Knicks bench to 99 points against an alright Jazz team, then I can only imagine what he could do with STAT, a healthy Melo, and more Tyson on the floor. Splitting time with Baron Davis, who probably shouldn’t be forced into too many minutes, especially with a capable Lin, will only make our offense more dynamic, and the defense has already proved to be MDA’s finest in NY, if not in his career.

I also don’t know how much credit to give to MDA for Lin’s success. The dishing comes from a PnR system, but the getting to the hoop and finishing with And-1’s is all Lin’s talent, and we definitely have needed his scoring to win. He still needs to prove he can do that consistently, but the good looks for teammates should persist.

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Watching the Celtics game as a Celtics fan

I remember thinking about Lin and how quick he was. And I remember specifically being happy when he left the court. Even though Bradley kinda gave him a hard time (which he does to everybody) it was pretty obvious that Lin was FAST, with great handles. He seemed like a real threat, so was glad to see him go.

MDA bugs me, though. This kid Lin has been on the team since late December and he’s only NOW discovering that gee…. the kid can play? The story that MDA wanted to give TD a last chance, etc…. is there any evidence that it’s real? Even if it is real, there’s still the question of why wait 5 weeks when the need was so (obviously) great. Oh, and now that Lin’s arrived, MDA runs him for 45 minutes… after he’s been sitting on the bench all these weeks. Weird.

On the other hand, the Warriors and Rockets didn’t see Lin’s potential either. Go figure. The very fact that this kind of thing has never happened before so far as anyone can remember — not to THIS extent, anyway — is a pretty good indication that somebody — or somebodies — screwed up.

Anyway… the kid looks great, the real deal, and you guys deserve to get this break….. after what Isiah did to New York and all the crap that went on then.

by JR99 on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 AM EST up reply actions  

it's not just now

been dealing with the problem of being overlooked his whole life – no scholarships despite being one of California’s best HS BBallers, then got great reviews in college but no draft love. I think he should have gotten more time sooner, but I think it would be harder for a coach to let that happen when he isn’t even getting much time in practice and the guys he trusts from last year are playing well below the level they have played at in the past. The first couple of games I saw him against Detroit and Charlotte I was impressed, but he admittedly looked shaky out there. I started commenting that he should get burn after that second game though, considering the other options just proved to not be worth it. It was still understandable to me, given his underwhelming past, why it was hard to give him serious minutes based off of a few garbage minutes, but again, this team was playing garbage looking minutes at times with their stars out there and a PG was desperately needed. And it makes some sense that he wouldn’t get as much time in practice if he wasn’t going to be used much in games. Don’t think MDA deserves blame for him not getting out there, there were a lot of people who should have given him serious chances (not just walk on offers) sooner, like out of high school sooner. I am just happy he is getting his chance now and looks awesome. Keep it up Lin and the Knicks will keep on Linning!

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 5:39 AM EST up reply actions  

How many times

do we clamor for a coach to play a guy, and then it turns out the guy doesn’t actually make much of a difference? That’s what usually happens.

I mean, the guy wasn’t recruited, wasn’t drafted, not given significant PT by the Warriors last year, cut by them, cut by the Rockets, and we are complaining that D’antoni didn’t play him soon enough? I, too though he should have been in the rotation sooner, but I also saw how D’antoni was realizing that Toney wasn’t going to be able to do it and that Lin would help. D’antoni may have been a little slow for our tastes but dudes

HE’S ONE OF THE ONLY GUYS ON EARTH TO HAVE GIVEN THIS KID A SHOT.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

so you are agreeing with me?

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes!

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

lin was getting spin and didnt look that great. So this idea that he would come in and play great and MDA didnt play him is just false. You would know that, if you watched oru games. Its cool for you to come here and give oppinion, but i mean… if you dont know…

Lin has been working hard in practice and earned his shot. Toney has been a real solid player for us for the past couple seasons, and its baffling to everyone how he has fallen off. It makes sense for Mike D to give him some time to figure it out.

Also, the idea that Lin could have come right in and played like this is crazy. Maybe he is doing well because he has had practice time to learn the system a little and has figured out where guys will be. If he came in right away odds are we would be seeing many more broken plays.

You can make the argument he should have come in a week or so ago… but I am glad Toney got a full shot.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 7, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

D’Antoni was 1-2 losses away from getting fired (hell, he’s probably still on thin ice). Giving heavy minutes to someone who was undrafted, cut loose by two other teams, had barely had time to practice with the team (and not at all with the first unit) etc. is what a coach does when he has absolutely nothing to lose.

The Jeremy Lin hail mary seems to have worked (for now) but nobody front like there is any other coach in the league who would have done that.

by flossy on Feb 7, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on Flossy.

D’antoni a few days ago was cleaning out his office. So he was basically at the point of "Fuck it what are they gonna do if I play Lin and he stinks,; Fire Me! It was kind of like Herm Edwards in his last days in KC. In the next to last game of that season, dude went for a 4th inches on his own 20 yard line and got it. Afterward he said he did it, because in all of his years as a player and a coach that situation came up 1000 times and they never went for it, so he figured what the hell, I am already fired(herm had been told the week before he was being let go), let’s go for it boys! Kinda the same thing here, what the hell I am already fired, so lets go for it.

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Best theory I've seen yet

Probably at least part of the story.

by JR99 on Feb 7, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand

… and no, I haven’t watched the Knicks all that closely. But I remain puzzled, not because MDA didn’t play some undrafted new guy previously cut by two other teams, etc., etc. It’s the EXTREME nature of how good he is that leads me to ask… How could a guy THIS good not be noticed? I still don’t get that. Did he take some magic pill on Saturday? You don’t get THAT good overnight. So wth….?

Anyway, there are no complete answers, I guess. It just happened… probably never happen again. But it’s such a dramatic story, it makes me wanna watch the Knicks every time they’re on…. so as not to miss the next chapter.

by JR99 on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

haha
How could a guy THIS good not be noticed? I still don’t get that. Did he take some magic pill on Saturday? You don’t get THAT good overnight. So wth….?

i think this describes what we are all thinking.

But it’s such a dramatic story, it makes me wanna watch the Knicks every time they’re on…. so as not to miss the next chapter.

This too! I think all of us are trying to not jinx this. we have had our hearts broken so many times.

I think it was Bobby V who said: "You are never as good as you are when you are at your best, and you are not as bad as when you are at your worst."

by gbaked on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe one theory about Lin's quick success

Is exactly how unknown he is. It’s not just the Knicks who didn;t know, but th Rockets and Warriors and the other GMs who didn’t bother with him for whatever reason.

But D’Atoni talked postgame about Lin and why he hadn;t played and he was pretty honest when he said they didn’t know what they had. That has a lot to do with this condensed season too. The Knicks actually haven’t had much practice time and when they have, the Knicks were really looking at 3 PGs in Toney Douglas, Mike Bibby, Iman Shuppert and Lin was the 4th. So it’s understandable that D’Antoni didn’t really look exclusively at Lin. Afterall, here was a guy dumped from 2 other teams and undrafted before that. How good do you expect him to really be?
If you consider that, then it’s easy to realize if the Knicks didn’t good he could be, other teams wouldn’t know either. So it’s very much possible that teams have to adjust on the fly to him since they likely don’t have much of a scouting report. Doesn’t mean the kid isn’t good, it just means teams don’t know his weaknesses or strengths yetso he has the element of surprise.

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that just isn't true
lin was getting spin and didnt look that great.

He did look great. He had the highest per on the team. In the mid twenties, that’s LeBron, DWade territory. I remember a couple of threads where it was pointed out that if he could average what he was putting up in limited minutes he would have 30 something assists per game. I mean, what does a guy have to do to get burn. Especially when TD has been stinking it up from the get go.
Also, I am feeling a similar disregard towards Novak who may I point out has the best 3 point average on the team by a whole lot. And when this is pointed out somebody always points out that he cannot play defense, which is not that obvious to me when I see him play.
It’s this same dumb logic I hear so much. The guy isn’t playing so therefor he must suck. REally, that doesn’t prove shit except that the people who are supposed to evaluate talent are doing a crappy job.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, I disagree

I mean, clearly you were right that Lin is a solid player (and a lot of us were wrong, myself included. I didn’t think he had much at all), but despite the numbers, he looked totally out of control in several garbage time appearances. In hindsight, the short stints and context must have influenced his play, but there just wasn’t much evidence that he’d succeed to be found in his previous minutes.

by Seth on Feb 7, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But again

You were obviously on to something that the rest of us missed!

by Seth on Feb 7, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

right, so let's sit him down.

clearly it’s all downhill from their.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

there

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well after two whole games

it’s still in LeBron territory. Let’s revisit this in a week or so. Don’t forget about Novak either.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth

There are certainly better talent evaluators and basketball savants on this board than me, but in Lins case, while it may have looked like he was careening around out of control, the numbers were clearly saying something else. His turnover rate is still a bit troubling, but as you pointed out, he was starting to wear down in the third period last night, and by then Utah was doubling him.
Anyway, let’s just be happy that he didn’t slip through the cracks, and end up doing this for the Nets. After two games, I am ready to say that this guy is clearly no fluke.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

stats aside...

there was something about his play that exuded “PG”… yeah, he looked a little frantic, but even before these 2 games, he showed everything other guys weren’t. head up. handle, and the desire to get into the lane. he just looked like a guy who when given the time to have the game slow down…he’d show his talent.

by bucketsncents on Feb 7, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yo

Anthony Randolph’s stats in Golden State suggested he could be a future Hall of Famer, but in truth he is a stone idiot who racked up stats by flailing around the court like T-Mac on PCP.

Small sample size stats mean nothing. I repeat, NOTHING.

Jeremy Lin honestly did not look very good in his first few garbage time playing stints. I guess if I were D’Antoni I would have played him more in the 2nd half of the game in Boston, but I completely understand why he didn’t. To his credit, since then he has given him all the playing time he can handle and then some.

by flossy on Feb 7, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

small sample size should mean

that you get the opportunity to play more minutes and put up a bigger sample size. Also, there is no such thing as garbage time. There is time, and no time. You can characterize it any way you want, but there is no separate column for gt points.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

You’ve gotta admit that the style of play and the ease with which one might record statistics are a bit different when the game is no longer hanging in the balance. You know, like when nobody bothers to recover on an offensive rebound and you can just toss a lob to Jerome Jordan wide open under the rim because whatever scrub center the opposition trotted out there is at halfcourt picking his wedgie. That assist, in my mind, does not equal the type of assist Lin’s been getting in the last two games.

I’d wager (and we’ve heard as much) that whatever D’Antoni saw to convince him that Lin was worth a shot came behind the scenes on the practice court, not in actual games.

by Seth on Feb 7, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe so

but I don’t think the guy who is out there trying to prove himself sees it that way.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying there is no such thing as garbage time is absurd

Player effort and intensity fluctuates not only from game to game but minute to minute depending on the circumstances. Defenses simply don’t give a fuck with 3 minutes left in a blowout. And even then, Lin played out of control the first few times he got burn.

by flossy on Feb 7, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think, if you are out there playing garbage time

you still want to make a good impression so you can get more than garbage time in the future.

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He had moments of good and bad

when the good players on this team are around him, he looks even better.

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, he looked shaky

but he showed flashes of being a real PG, something that was so obvious in contrast to what other guys on the Knicks had been doing. I remember saying and reading that confidence was probably part of his problem. No one could have predicted this, just a passable PG who deserved a better chance

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

I was having a cocktail party during the Celtics game the other night and when I looked up and saw Lin playing in the 2nd quarter I was astounded. I thought he looked out of control, like he was trying too hard, in all his previous appearances. Guess I was wrong? I still did think it would be a good idea to at least try him though as he was the only true, functional PG on the roster.

by robk on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks jr
MDA bugs me, though. This kid Lin has been on the team since late December and he’s only NOW discovering that gee…. the kid can play?

spot on.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm as late as Friday in Boston Lin looked like Warm dogshit on the court.

Even Lin admitted he played like shit in Boston and was surprised D’Antoni gave him another chance so quickly after playing so poorly. So let’s all of you 20/20 nostradamuses out there chill. The kid is getting burn and running with the opportunity. If he played like this against GS or Sacramento for example the first week in the season then he would have been in sooner. He didn’t. Secondly, we are all sitting here playing with someone else’s livelihood. I wonder if I put any of you in D’Antoni’s shoes would you have been so quick to give this kid big minutes with your job on the line after he looked so completely like he didn’t belong on an NBA court say against Sacramento.

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

About that Celtics game

…which I saw because I’m a Celtics fan… I remember watching Lin and thinking ‘Man, that kid is QUICK. Looks dangerous.’ And I was happy when he left the court. Yeah, he did screw up under Bradley pressure (because that’s what Bradley does…. maybe the only thing he does), but Lin also displayed some ball handling and drives to the basket that had me thinking he’s dangerous.

And that was just after seeing him for a few minutes. I think the question here is that he obviously has SO much innate talent, how is it possible that no one recognized it earlier. Not just MDA, but 2 other teams as well.

But it’s all water under the bridge now. Now you have guys (like Lowe) saying ‘Oh, he might not be that good. Maybe he can give you 15 good minutes a game. Bla bla bla.’ It’s amazing, really, how some people refuse to believe their own eyes. It’s gonna be fun watching what happens next in this kid’s great story.

by JR99 on Feb 7, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. That was great when MDA was sticking up for Jefferies in the press conf...

Seriously, despite his offensive limitations the dude comes out and plays his ass off every night. He’s solid. I was really against resigning him this year but I have to say I was dead wrong.

by robk on Feb 7, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

well, to be fair... there is a huge difference in signing the guy for 8-9 Mil and signing a guy for the minimum

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 7, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty touching stuff

this, I’ll die for him," he said. "I’ll leave blood on the court … because he’s the best coach in the NBA.’’ Damn that is some serious stuff there. D’Antoni also said he “loved Jeffries.” and didn’t put no Homo behind it. Good to see Mike in his last days as Knicks coach, showing appreciation to the folks that matter to him and going out with some Freakin Class!

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Melo being out for two weeks and Baron extending his rehab again probably bought him time.

I just want a stable roster with a top coach for a whole unbroken year. That’s it.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 7, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I can only iimagine the freaky shit he does with his ankle and lower back…

by superturboultra on Feb 7, 2012 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess he was eating some now and laters-- GOT SWAG!!

(Martin Landau) Bela Lugosi: How dare that a****** bring up Karloff? You think it takes talent to do Frankenstein? It's all makeup and grunting.

--From the movie Ed Wood

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Feb 7, 2012 2:58 AM EST reply actions  

that makes sense then

(Martin Landau) Bela Lugosi: How dare that a****** bring up Karloff? You think it takes talent to do Frankenstein? It's all makeup and grunting.

--From the movie Ed Wood

GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!

by mjtig on Feb 7, 2012 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep or D'Antoni is gonna kill LIn.

I’m riding him like Freakin Secretariat! For the Wizards game D’Antoni should show up with some Jockey silks on and a saddle.

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It will be interesting to see if he can stay in front of John Wall.

The Wizards may suck, but Wall is a terrific test for Lin

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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 7, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Lin made his reputation off of Wall, though.

Reeeeaaallllll interested to see how we do tomorrow.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 7, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

go to youtube

he not only stayed in front of Wall, he had his hand in every shot

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by astromets on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, on the turnovers, it seemed they all came in the 3rd

Only one seemed facepalm worthy, one of the last ones at that, but they didn’t hurt the Knicks because the defense didn’t let the Jazz do much after – or so it seemed in my gleeful state. That third quarter was pretty bad, though I imagine that even if just Tyson or Melo were out there, it would have gone much smoother, because the 5 that were out there for most of it were a mix of exhausted and not that good

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

TD

made me facepalm many times over the course of the game, even if it didn’t end up being a turnover.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

How dude played 2 minutes and was probably to keep Lin form dying!

Really let’s lay off TD, he has been a class act in all of this. During one of the timeouts I remember the first dude off the bench to high five Lin was TD! Frankly Toney Douglas has been far more classy than some of you knicks fans who were talking about going to the man’s home and lynching him the other day! I am still pissed about that! I just want to say to those Knicks fans and you know who you are, if you see me pretend I am Toney Douglas for five minutes, please I am begging you!

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously, man!!

TD is going through a REALLY tough stretch. He can obviously still play the game but having to play point which is not at all natural to him threw off his game and has killed some of his confidence. It happens! People underestimate the mental side of excelling in the NBA level ball and TD is doing what he can to get himself out of the slump. He’s still shooting and sooner or later (hopefully sooner) those shots are going to start falling again. It certainly doesn’t help to have those fucking douchebags at the Garden booing him when he misses a shot! He’ll DWTDD again, no question!

by robk on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think that we can discount the fact that TD wasn't even healthy enough to practice until some time in November.

And then when he was finally cleared, after having surgery on those now bionic shoulders, to practice he was told he was going to be the starting PG. He was never starting PG material, and thats not a knock against the guy, it’s just not his game. I honestly feel like he was put into a no win situation. The only way people were going to be happy with him is if he played way beyond his limitations in that position and that’s just not fair to him. All of this killed his confidence, which I hope he finds soon because he really can score in bunches off of the bench. I also think the fans really need to lay off the guy. As RC said above, this guy has been a class act throughout all of this tumultuous season.

by Krackle on Feb 7, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this Lin business will only help TD reemerge to his former self

I predict we will be seeing the old TD again shortly now that the td as pg experiment is hopefully over.

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by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think, if he is injured than admit it

otherwise MDA is to blame for consistently putting him in the position to fail thus far this season. It’s hard to want him to come back out there when he puts up 2 airballs in 5 minutes of play, as he did last night

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong

I love TD. I think he’s a good player. I just think he’s not a point guard, and the more they put him there, the worse his confidence got. Toney Douglas said it himself – when he’s out on the court, he ‘Do what Toney Douglas Do’. So he needs to get back to doing that. He’s a shooting guard, a bit undersized, but strong and tough enough to compete at that position.

He hit that shot in game one of the Celtics series last year. I’ll always believe in TD. That said, watching Lin play point guard is like night and day. Toney doesn’t do that.

I would never want any harm to come to that guy. He’s a good teammate, a good guy, loves defense and can score the basketball.

We need you Toney! Come back and do what you do.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Great recap

I have said it before that the knicks are my religion, and Lin is my savior. I saw some anti Knicks hating on Lin and saying he had 8 turnovers and i had to remind them that Deron williams who is classified as as a superstar, also had 7 recently in one game. Lebron, another superstar, who handles the ball had 6 the other day. This was Lin’s first start, had very little experience playing full time point guard and he did well. Enough said and give the kid his credit.

by RASHADI on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 AM EST reply actions  

And another thing on the number of turnovers...

the kid DID play about 143 minutes last night. Play that many as a pg the team is riding hard, you’re bound to have quite a few turnovers.

by Zhantee on Feb 7, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

There is a picture of the Lin during the reverse/switch hands layup you were talking about in the recap Seth

I am sure you know, it is in the photos. Jefferson looks like a fool and Lin looks lintastic! Was awesome he started that drive with his left. Don’t have to always use it, just show them you can

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:22 AM EST reply actions  

linspirational

I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane

by YuckFou on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah..good point guard play is just so god damned refreshing

I don’t know if he really is a Rajon Rondo light, because god damn, he’s looked genuinely exhausted after both of these games, but he knows how to run a pick and roll, he knows how to attack and finish, and he knows how to attack and kick-out/find the big man underneath the rim. I think we’ve got something here.

by BJabs on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 AM EST reply actions  

And the guy is cool under pressure

and unintimidated.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeremy Lin

is Keyser Soze

flayed ones stealth mode

"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."

by mob16151 on Feb 7, 2012 3:51 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

LOL

- The Wandering Celtics Fan.

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by Kiorrik on Feb 7, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Lin needs to hit the cardio hard this summer

he’ll need it to stay fresh and versatile when teams start forcing him left.

by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 AM EST reply actions  

Finally

some smart basketball. And I can’t watch it! Argh!
MDA has finally found his hi-IQ PG…hopefully. Will they extend him as soon as he proves consistent? I’m not optimistic about that.

by Alessandro Bozzi on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 AM EST reply actions  

someone posted an article in the post-game thread

apparently tonight was the deadline on whether to guarantee his contract the rest of the season – easiest decision ever!!

2012 New York Mets, World Series Champions!

by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Is this for real?

did we really find a defense playing Steve Nash in the Walmart bargain bin? shit is crazy!

You're not a diehard fan if every now and then your team doesn't try to kill you

by Bigknickle on Feb 7, 2012 5:12 AM EST reply actions  

Hard to think of something original to post...

What Lin has brought to the team, even in just these 2 games, is balance. His willingness to smile at the game of basketball, simply feels like an antidote to the ugly business of basketball.

His enthusiasm and appreciation… separate from his PG skills… are what refreshes the most.

He’s everything stars are not, but we want them to be. Authentically humble and hungry… with the skills to facilitate winning, team basketball. He’s unifying, on a team that has been functioning as disparate parts.

However long it lasts… these 2 games have been most welcome reminders of what we’ve been craving.

by bucketsncents on Feb 7, 2012 6:22 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

pretty eloquent stuff

rec material fo’ sure

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

hopefully he doesn't have to play 45 minutes in a regulation gave ever again.

I understand pushing the issue to get dude in game shape, but damn. We did have 2 players out and TD really has been that bad, so I guess its just an outlier.

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by Rorschach44 on Feb 7, 2012 6:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

his only breaks were during free throws. That kid was gassed like no other.

And its better that he finished strong even being dead tired.

He has some guts and passion.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST

by Giantssincesix on Feb 7, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

s'alright

the kid’s 23. Had to win that game and need him to do it.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

this is way too long, but better now than never to defend D'Antoni

now that we can remember what his offense is SUPPOSED to look like if it wasn’t for the constant ballhogging of Carmelo Anthony

by Edelorbe on Feb 7, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Well played.

Rec’d.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally agreed, though in fairness to Melo

he seems to maybe, slowly, be starting to get it.

by flossy on Feb 7, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

we were saying this the other night, that ever since that Denver game where we booed him he has definitely been making a noticeable effort to pass the ball and buy into the system. Last night he was also letting Lin run the offense before he got hurt.

by Edelorbe on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd this because of the mini paragraph on Melo...

For his entire life, he was driven by incentives to improve his Isolation moves. That’s how you get noticed in high school; that’s how you get noticed in the draft; that’s how you get noticed playing in a mid-sized market for a team that’s not too good. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, but I also kinda believe this: Melo has been playing selfish, me-first basketball all his life simply because that kind of behavior was positively reinforced. Now that the crowd boos him every time he tries to pull that shit, hopefully he’ll learn to play like a member of a professional basketball team. But that’ll take time. Just because the coach tells him to pass the goddamned ball doesn’t mean he’s gonna wake up one day and do it. Better coaches have tried that and failed. So let’s absolve D’Antoni for any blame in that area.

by nocookiesforme on Feb 7, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree with this too

I do blame Melo for his selfish play as opposed to blaming D’Antoni; you’re absolutely right though when you list the reasons as to why he actually plays that way.

And don’t forget to add the stupid ESPN highlights of Jordan, Iverson, etc. hogging the ball. It’s too bad that those were the primary highlights back in the day.

I do believe that there has been a huge change in the way the league in general plays basketball. It has become much more team oriented on offense, and the point guard position has become perhaps the most important position in the game.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this happened once people got a hold of the D’Antoni offense gameplan, the handcheck rule, the realization of how advantageous that corner three is (Pops/Bowen get credit for this), and also the realization of how BAD iso offenses coupled with long 2’s are.

by Edelorbe on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Cant have it both ways..

Lebron gets killed because he doesnt step up and take big shots. He is actually a good distributor, some would even argue that is when he is at his best. Melo on the other hand is a flat out scorer, in a class by himself maybe with KD and Kobe. In fairness to him he felt pressured after all the hoopla about the trade, he knows how much we gave up to get him. Its not his fault the knicks have no PG to get Stat going, HE HAD TO SHOOT A LOT. Stat playing the 4, and tyson clogging the paint negates what Stat is able to do. He could blow by 5s last year, he cant do that playing the 4. I can just imagine what fans would be saying if Melo pulled a Lebron in the 4th. Melo was prob the best player in MDA’s system for the olympic team, and do you know why?? because they had a PG!!!

by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 7, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think many of the people you are ranting at

will not come on hear and read that. They will just call for his head after the next loss or bad thing that happens to this club

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by astromets on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

New Broadway 3

Lin…Jeffries…Novak!!! lol….in all seriousness tho, great game by the Knicks and the bench players. Nice game to watch day after SuperBowl!!!

Hope dantoni learned a lesson going forward: LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED!!!!

You just got Tysoned!!!!!!

by Jason Bee on Feb 7, 2012 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

I'm loving seeing D'Antoni getting attached to these guys. He's like a new man.

I felt like he more or less wanted out before these scrapers showed some heart. Loved his defense of Jeffries over the boo birds. I’ll take heart and effort every time. Chandler seems to feel the same way. It’d be great if this rubs off on Melo…

by Sprewell on Feb 7, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

amen...

we’re finally valuing the intangibles. talent is no doubt necessary for winning… but impossible without intangibles. jefferies, landry, jorts, lin and even tyson… that shit is contagious and if it doesn’t rub off on melo, all the more reason to cut ties.

by bucketsncents on Feb 7, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

i think it did

he was in street clothes along the “tunnel” right before the end of the game looking on.

by renovator on Feb 7, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Melo's OK

I really think he’ll be fine. What looked like selfishness and me-first play was really him trying to will a team in disarray to victory the only way he knows how.

Get The Frickin' Rebound

by fuhry on Feb 7, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this

I really don’t get the Melo blaming

AT ALL

He’s the only reason for the wins we do have.

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Feb 7, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing Game

I loved it. Lin brought passion to our players. He got our team fired up. Melo and Stat couldn’t even do that.

I hope Lin brings this every game and continues to succeed.

I love my wife, throughout the whole game every time Jefferies had the ball she would imitate Bill Cosby and say “Jeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery…” Most of you might be too young to understand this reference ;), but it was hilarious.

My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST

by Giantssincesix on Feb 7, 2012 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

Whoa! I totally get that reference and I have done the same thing myself!

Jeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery…

Why are mosquitoes hatching in our offense?

by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 7, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

You know whats total fucking bullshit...

I still don’t get the game even when its ARCHIVED!!

Wow!!

G-Mac bitches

BC 2011

by jdguggs10 on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Seth, I can't believe you forgot to mention the part when Jeffries hit the 15 foot jumper

and ran up the floor slapping hands with the fans.

I was 100% sure I was dreaming at that moment.

Why are mosquitoes hatching in our offense?

by StarksMiddleFinger on Feb 7, 2012 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

That was such an amazing moment.

I dream of Eddy Curry feeding me fish sticks.

Look at it Dave. Look at it.

by GAx on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

From a marketing standpoint, Lin wound up in the perfect city

Either here or Golden State, with their large Chinatowns are perfect. LA passed us this year for the most valuable franchise in the league. Hopefully this results in a surge of interest from that community(and Taiwan as well) that puts us back at #1. In other words, ship some Lin and Melo jerseys to Taiwan immediately!

by Jeff Van Gumby on Feb 7, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

It really is amazing what a competent PG can do for a team

rather than playing patty-cake patty-cake bakers man outside the three point arc for 22 seconds and tossing up a contested 3, we have someone who can get below the free throw line and make things happen. Finally someone really knows how to utilize a screen. And when they did double him we made them pay, which i still havent seen us do when Melo gets doubled.

Clyde kept mentioning it throughout the broadcast but it was so true, the ball movement was night and day.

by Renegade11 on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Yep you need somebody to actually run an offense in basketball.

"It’s fun,’’ D’Antoni said. "You can actually draw a play up and think, ‘this might work.’ He’s a playmaker. He has a nice gait and burst of speed. He kind of settles everything. He sets up guys for easy shots and plays the way we like to play. He has the innate ability to see guys. You can’t explain the game all the time and he doesn’t need explaining.’’

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Good I'm hoping for another Taiwanese NMA today...

that one yesterday was too incredible…. I need more…

by robk on Feb 7, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Props to D'antoni for defending Jeffries after the game

I love Jeffries. He plays hard and does the little things that if some of our other more highly paid players would do we would be a really good team. You can’t fault him for not finishing layups in traffic; it’s not his game and we have other players to do that.

by BallerAttack on Feb 7, 2012 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Jeffries quote related to getting boo'd

"But I think I always go out there and play as hard as I can," he said. "I play with a lot of effort, a lot of energy, and sometimes fans — there will be, sometimes, they hate me. But that’s not going to affect how much I love this city, how much I enjoy playing at the Garden and wanted to be part of a winning team here."

by BallerAttack on Feb 7, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

went to my rec league game

shoulda just watched this game instead.

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by stingy d on Feb 7, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

Hell with the line up we had in there at one point it looked like a rec league game.

Seriously there was one moment where D’Antoni had Lin, Fields, Walker, Novak, and Jeffries on the floor all at the same time and we were actually winning the game! I spent the entire time going are you fucking kidding me!

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

i loved the fact that Novak was the first off the bench...

when Lin did his MJ impression – backpedalling with tongue wagging.

… followed by balkman.

My personal highlight moment was when Lin was trapped under the basket but managed to feed a bounce pass to Novak (or bully – i forget) for a baseline 3.

The kid can certainly ball.

by cynickfan on Feb 7, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

so if J.R. smith was to come to us bibby would (should) be cut

any objections?

"As much as I respect and admire Bill Belichick, I came here to kick his a**, and that’s the truth." - Rex Ryan

now lets go get a goddamn snack.

by JETSFANF0RLYF3 on Feb 7, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions  

J.R. would be a nice fit

would bring immediate scoring off the bench

by jsk793 on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

No to sir chuck alot

if you think melo takes bad shots, this guy will age us drastically

by Dirty Testeverde on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Allow me to take off my spectator's pants for a moment,

…and put my analrapist stocking over my head to analyze (not analrapize, mind you) the game last night.

Being actually at MSG for the game means that I had no idea why Melo was suddenly out of the game during the first quarter. Without Melo and Chandler, and with the likes of Jerome Jordan and Bill Walker actually playing meaningful minutes, and with long stretches of D-League quality lineups, I seriously thought D’Antoni had bet everything he had on the Jazz and was point shaving intentionally. Which leads to the question – How the hell did the Knicks win?!?

Besides finally having a point who can penetrate, finish, make good passes, AND run a decent pick and roll, the effort on defense was excellent. Weird concept – without two of the Knicks worse defenders (Melo and STAT – RIP Hazell), the Knicks actually tried on D and succeeded. And don’t forget the effect of Chandler on both O and D in the 4th. The Knicks barely held onto the lead in the 3rd as the Jazz slowly punished the D-League quality lineup out there. But in the 4th, Chandler made sure to play tough D, make snappy outlet passes off rebounds, provide Lin with solid screens to work off of, and (most importantly) made sure he himself didn’t foul out. That’s what the Knicks needed to slowly increase their lead and put the game away.

In other words, the Knicks looked positively sagacious and tenacious last night.

And now for Lin. He definitely crammed for D’Antoni’s test here like he did with the SATs. He studied hard to learn the pick-and-roll properly. He made smart plays, and applied the math and science he learned towards his passing angles and finishes at the rim. Besides his 8 turnovers, he did not shame his parents by putting forth a great effort and great result. It’s not all positive, though. He still needs to practice hard with using his left hand and his shooting when teams sag off him, just as he practiced hard on playing the piano as a kid. Other than that, something something 888… and hey! Even the number of turnovers he had was lucky, and it bodes well for a prosperous future!

by urban analrapist on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

lol on the shaming his parents

but i just figured out the cultural significance of his jersey number without him actually being blatant about it. 17 adds up to 8. 8 doesn’t get any luckier in the far east. subtle, no? or maybe i’m just reading into it.

by renovator on Feb 7, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He got sent to the D-League which Lin says helped him

Because strangely enough the BAYhawks run D’antoni’s offense. He and Jordan got to play extended mins in the offense and work on pick and rolls and things like that. The Kid has played better since coming back from the D-League and let me be the first to admit I didn’t notice. Maybe getting more reps in the offense helped him learn it and apply it here better.

by Robert Curre on Feb 7, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Melo has actually been good on D this year

Much better than Landry or TD

Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump

by DangerZone on Feb 7, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This game just illustrates why I think Melo is not worth the money

The two most important positions on the floor are PG and C.

A center like Dwight Howard or Tyson Chandler anchors the defense and pretty much makes you top 10 in defense by default. They also get a bunch of offensive rebounds by the basket, which are high percentage shots, or at least extra opportunities.

A PG penetrates and gets everyone else the ball when they’re open. This is the NBA, and nearly everyone is capable of scoring when open. Think of it this way, a player near the basket might make 60% if he’s not very good, or 90% if he is. A player who is not open will make it 10% or 50% if he’s really good.

Obviously those numbers are made up, but a team of worse players who get easy shots can be better than a team with more talent who takes bad shots. I think we saw that in most of the games so far this season.

Just face it, Chandler has been the most important player on the Knicks so far, and adding a PG can really turn the season around. Lin might be that PG, or Baron might, but it’s definitely not Toney Douglas or Mike Bibby.

by mindfeck on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

One thing that Melo can contribute better than just about ANYBDOY...

Is the fact that he’s Carmelo Anthony. That’s HUGE down the stretch of close games. Not because he can hog the ball and try to score 18 points in the 4th quarter; quite the opposite, actually. The myth that you need a star to score in crunch time, and that certain high-volume scorers are better at it than the higher percentage shooters on their teams, has been refuted several times; yet people still believe it’s true. And more importantly, so do players around the league. If we ever get to a point where we have a deep selection of role players who can all contribute offensively (we’re closer than a lot of people think), AND we have a version of Melo who actually knows his own limitations, it’ll be pretty friggin’ sweet when he’s triple-teamed on the last play of the game, he kicks it out to an open Steven Novack, and we get the swish for the win. If (and yes, I know that’s a big if) you can build a full roster despite a heavy investment in one “superstar” player, that’s one way they can help earn their paycheck. And that’s a very real phenomenon – just ask every team Robert Horry ever won a championship with.

by nocookiesforme on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

you mean FOR!

rockets, lakers, spurs. he’s the original mr. big shot as far as i’m concerned. i was pulling for the kings that year and when divac swatted the ball out to the perimeter and robert horry just HAD to be at the top of the key i knew they lost before it even left his hands.

by renovator on Feb 7, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Novak was pretty open last night without Melo and Amar'e

And he wasn’t open at all when Melo was in. Ball movement is what matters. You don’t pay a guy max dollars to be a decoy on offense and mediocre at defense.

by mindfeck on Feb 7, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

melo is being paid to br in the game and get the ball in the 4th with under a minute left

not too many are better than him during those moments and we had no one capable of closing out games previously. Those players dont grow on trees. If gallo were capable of this at this point, he’d still be here and melo wouldn’t. end of story.

sreh ladien e' ta janjia

by Lord Smackington on Feb 7, 2012 1:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Interesting Fact from Howard Beck

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