Knicks 107, Wizards 93: "I just feel like I'm in a room with 100 puppies."
Another game of the Jeremy Lin experience is behind us, and all we got was more kindling for the fire (the...Linferno, if you will. I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm trying so hard not to pun). Lin had another terrific game and the Knicks' offense started terribly but blossomed through the latter three quarters. After that horrid first period, they established a lead in the second quarter and kept right on building it to the final buzzer. And, as Landry for prez said in the game thread (quoted in the headline), the experience brought all the mirth and excitement of being in a room with-- well, maybe not 100 puppies, but at least like 70-80. It was a lot of fun.
- Several guys had great nights, but we'll open with Lin. Early on, he was running plenty of pick-and-roll with Tyson Chandler, but the Wizards brought weak side help, so Lin did the wise thing and kicked the ball out to the perimeter. Only problem was the guys on the perimeter were Jared Jeffries and Bill Walker and neither had any interest in sinking open jumpers. When Lin did try to take it himself, he ended up forcing a couple of bad shots. He sat with about four minutes left in the quarter, having picked up his second foul (and opened a nasty gash in his chin) trying to draw an open court charge on John Wall.
- After that, Lin was excellent. In the second quarter, those drive-and-kicks started going to Steve Novak on the weak side and saw much happier conclusions, which in turn opened up the inside options a bit. Lin got his first points by picking Jordan Crawford in the backcourt and streaking coast to coast, then continued to pile 'em on with some brilliant drives to the basket. We saw some savvy-ass hesitation dribbles, including one that created enough space and confusion to let Lin score right up and over JaVale McGee. In the third, he kept right on driving and had twelve more points, including these two that made my eyes and teeth fall out of my head:
Three things about that video:
1. As a lot of people have said, the kid's sense of when his defender is off balance is impeccable. Wall gambled for a split second and Lin crossed his shit UP and went right to the rim. Oh, and he can get up pretty high as well.
2. Yes, he had a band-aid half dangling half-stuck from his chin for most of the game.
3. We've been waiting for Lin to face a good defense that trapped him and helped on him and stuff, and the Wizards were not that team. At best, the Wiz gave token help. At worst, they pretty much assembled a step ladder to the basket.
Anyway, Lin did a superb job of getting to the basket, got to the line a bit, sank a couple of nifty bankers from short range, and kept bricking his three-point attempts. Oh, and he threw some very lovely passes, including many lobs and pinpoint feeds in the pick-and-roll and one gorgeous one-handed dime to the backdoor-cutting Landry Fields. 23 points, 10 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 turnovers, no signs of regressing yet. (All in 34 minutes, too. A much healthier outing.)
- Wall did get 29 points and Lin said afterward that he "did a bad job of containing him", but the defense I saw was perfectly adequate and about as much as one can do against Wall when he's hitting his jumpers.
- Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert both played big minutes (Shump came off the bench again) and looked pretty superb. Neither settled for a lot of outside shots, instead using the space created by Lin's maneuvering to knife right to the basket to finish behind the defense. Shump snaggled three steals to go with his 17 points and Fields grabbed 8 rebounds (including a putback dunk that was so perfectly timed it looked choreographed) to go with his 16 points. Both shot 6-11 from the field and made all the necessary diagonal drives and cuts to supplement the pick-and-roll game in the middle of the floor. The low point for the two came when Fields inexplicably passed up a wide-open layup for an alley-oop attempt and Shump badly missed the finish (to be fair, it was a bad pass). D'Antoni looked like he was going to sneeze lava.
- Tyson Chandler did what he does, finishing a number of Lin's feeds and drawing a foul on pretty much every one that he didn't finish. He ended up with 25 points on just 12 shots and 14 free throws, which is a line so pretty I want to take it to see One For The Money and try to kiss it on its mouth. Chandler got burned a bit by the nimbler Trevor Booker (the Knicks went semi-small with Chandler and four guards/wings and the Wiz went even smaller), but made his presence felt otherwise and pulled down 11 rebounds (one of which was an exceedingly badass tip-dunk of a Shumpert airball as the shot clock expired.)
- Chandler attempted a couple of short-range jumpers again and rimmed out both. I swear his form looks fine and those would drop if he wasn't visibly regretting the endeavor while it was happening.
- Steve Novak! Again! The guy is draining threes at a Shawne-Williams-in-December-2010 rate right now. He nailed five of nine from downtown, pretty much all off the catch in the corner or at the elbow. The most ballerest of them came after a pump fake that sent the closing-out Wizard flying into crowd. Steve just gathered himself and drained the corner jumper while some Wizard (don't remember who) tried to untangle himself from a folding chair. That's so Novak.
- One more thing about Lin is that he does some pretty neat tricks to establish angles in the pick-and-roll, whether it's slowing his dribble to allow things to unfold around him or, in one particularly awesome play, actually crossing paths with the rolling Chandler, turning all the way around, and feeding Chandler on the opposite side of the rim from the one he rolled on. I didn't explain that well, so I'll share a video if I find one. The point is Lin's quite talented at taking detours to resurrect a pick-and-roll play if the initial action isn't working.
- Mike Bibby got all of Toney Douglas's back-up point guard minutes and did nothing with any of them. Four missed threes in 14 minutes.
- Besides his Band-Aid stylings, Lin also apparently switched sneakers at halftime. I did not notice this, but Clyde did, which makes perfect sense.
- Lin also denied everybody in the crowd free Chick Fil-A by sinking a pair of free throws at one point. I have no idea what the specifics of that promotion are (I guess one miss = free chickens?), but I find it kind of funny that the Wizards people decided to pin the free food responsibility on the failings of an opposing player instead of the success of their own players, like most places do.
- Do you think Nick Young and Jordan Crawford have some sort of bet going? That's the only explanation I can think of.
- Finally:
Yeah, this has been really, really fun. Don't take for granted how bleak things were just a couple weeks ago and how completely the mood has changed. <3 <3 <3
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would someone way cooler than me explain what they are doing in the handshake
and why it is so god damn awesome
even cooler
on a related note: has there been a consensus nickname for our super-smart backcourt?
Ohhh I got all of that, but I thought they were putting the information from the book into their heart(s)
I guess I thought a Stanford/Harvard handshake would have a deep meaning lol
Lin went to Harvard and Fields went to Stanford, both top-notch academic schools.
So, like ibnyc said, they are doing traditionally nerdy or book-wormy things: Flipping through a book, taking off the reading glasses, and putting them in their breast pocket.
Great Info
Wiz announcer wondered y Lin Didn’t go to Stanford, which was closer to home for him. Good job, MP
just one more reason
THOSE GUYS WERE TERRIBLE (sorry for the caps)
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by astromets on Feb 9, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
was he rejected?
or was he just not given a scholarship? I know Harvard doesn’t give athletic scholarships, but he certainly would have gotten to play more there.
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Didn't get in
according to Lin, in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yVnKQNj58 which is also hilarious
Badass Sprewell poster in the background of his room
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Love the top comment:
Enough about Harvard. How bout making a video teaching us how to shit 25 on D-Will, 28 on D-Harris and 23 on John Wall? :)
anybody notice Begley's full post about this late this morning?
those guys, they’re just always a little bit behind aren’t they?
they kind of have to wait for us to come up with/find this stuff
suddenly using Linsanity
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West Coast bias
Stanford has too many Cali kids so looks for east coasters. Vice versa for Harvard. I’m sure he would have gotten in otherwise
Admittedly Fields is a com degree
No disrespect meant, bit still. While Lin is an Econ degree in Harvard. Legit
by DonMoosavi on Feb 9, 2012 1:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Econ and communications
both have reputations as easier degrees, no?
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Econ isn't hard but it's not easy. I'm an Econ minor
Communications is reputed to be very easy
by DonMoosavi on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Econ isn't hard but it's not easy. I'm an Econ minor
Communications is reputed to be very easy
by DonMoosavi on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Com is considered one of the easier ones.
Econ has turned into one of the more difficult ones, at least lately.
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Comm at my school
Was known for having the most eye candy.
Not to bring up the race card or anything, but I was econ and most of my classes had lots of Asians…
Anyway that aside econ is actually not one of the easier degrees.
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I guess just coming from physics/math department
they said if you are having trouble with theory, switch to econ or business and you’ll be great. Was not trying to sound like an ass or put the major down, literally just what my teachers said
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Econ in Harvard is tough
highly quantitative, serious math – things like linear algebra, game theory and econometrics. Lin is no fool.
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by Reese's Pieces on Feb 9, 2012 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
That accounts for Lin’s great angles, but also for Landry’s great intangibles.
by borisadmin on Feb 9, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn't account for shit hahHaha
G-Mac bitches
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by jdguggs10 on Feb 9, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not actually true
It’s pretty easy to avoid any math above basic algebra while getting an econ degree from Harvard. You CAN do the advanced stuff, but few do.
To be fair to Landry
Harvard doesn’t offer a business degree for undergrads, so everyone takes economics. Not sure if Lin was more on the business side or econ side.
Last I heard
You had to maintain a 3.0 or above GPA to keep playing sports at Stanford. Lin’s degree was probably a little harder to achieve, but Fields ain’t fuckin around either
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
last I heard
grades in Harvard are a joke, it’s getting into the school that is near impossible
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I had a friend who went there and said just that
He graduated with a 4.0 as a Rhodes Scholar.
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like i said in the post-game thread
that gif, that handshake, that dorkiness needs to be not just rec’d but <3’d
thank you Seth for putting 3 up there!
<3 <3 <3
needs more collective s
<3 <3 <3
by blackhova on Feb 9, 2012 7:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that is pretty tight
liked it more when I thought that pic was one shirt with blue/orange/white along the sides and not 3 shirts , still tight
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still combing the interwebs
but I imagine that ends up in my closet. Tempted to get an actual jersey, but they’re almost 3x the price and I feel odd wearing a tank top, let alone one that is a basketball jersey, out of the house
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lol +1 on the tank top
I haven’t ruled out the real jersey, but as a shorter white guy, I still usually look at shorter white guys in jerseys with disdain. It’s a reflex.
Note: could be that they usually also have a backwards hat on and possibly sunglasses at night
don't know if posted, saw the gif though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vDn3aJLd83M
It’s the dunk. I posted it because Wall’s reaction is perfect. Hands in the air as if he is giving up!
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honestly need to read before posting
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to add comment on the video
The one Wiz player’s ‘deke’ to getting in the lane and stopping Lin was worse than Bully’s ‘hesitation move’ versus the Heat couple weeks ago
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Yeah that was bad
Wall looked pissed. On the other hand, Wall shouldn’t be trying to pick Lin’s pocket at 30 feet when Lin’s been driving past him all game.
by superturboultra on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Wall is a good player
….on a bad team (obviously). He’s raising his hands to say “Why you guys standing around watching? Ever hear of HELP DEFENSE?” In DC, the answer is ‘nope.’
That's ironic
Considering how much DC loves to bail other people out
zing!
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Amazing
I have nothing to say right now really, it’s incredible. This came out of nowhere. Imagine what the team is capable of once Carmelo and Amaré come back
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Could get worse with Melo
…but probably just for a little while, at worst. If Melo screws this up, he will lose whatever positive rep he still has.
Melo was there in Jersey, though barely had anything left
he was on the court in the 4th to witness Lin take over
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And part of the first quarter against Utah
He was definitely going with the flow
I don’t know why there’s this perception that Melo will fuck things up
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
same reason there was a perception he fucked the Knicks
and he was to blame for them losing – people want someone to blame and he is the easiest
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I think you are right
and I think it is much more likely that when Melo returns things will get better, not worse. Same for Amar’e. In a way this feels like what happened with the Giants.
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Umm were you been for like 50 games?
But I will give you he has been trying to be less of a ball stopper in his last couple of games.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Melo be fine since now there's a guy who can dictate the shots
he’s a much better perimeter shooter (when healthy) than anyone but novak anyways.
If Melo comes back with the right attitude, the sky’s the limit for this team. If he comes back with the “it’s still my team” attitude, there could be a problem. From what I’ve seen of Melo though, I think he just wants to win. The good thing about the MSG crowd is that they’ll remind him if he starts dominating the ball.
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by rxmeister on Feb 9, 2012 8:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I don't see him going ISO as much when there's a PG who actually gets the ball moving
if anything, it might just take a litlte time
by the landriest on Feb 9, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair... with the way Lin is handling the rock, Melo likely won't be asked to playmake.
We’ll see. I’m optimistic actually.
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 9, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man
I saw Lin’s highlights tonight and it looks like he’s going to give our (Lakers) defense some fits on Friday night. We’ll have to take care of the Celtics first, though.
Proud to be a brony.
Yea, I'm not too sure of our chances against the Lakers
That would take a miracle. Again, Jeremy Lin is clearly capable of miracles, but that doesn’t mean one will happen.
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
I'm about as scared of the Celtics
With a fully functioning Lin, Stoudemire, and Melo, as I am of a puppy.
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love this.
love for our guy. hey what ever happened with Darius Morris? Any reason he doesn’t get burn? He looked great in preseason and I was looking forward to watching him develop
ummm, yes!!

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by astromets on Feb 9, 2012 1:22 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
i MAY have bought the wrong t-shirt
nah, just fucking with you. no such thing with LIN. but i love this shirt too
I love the nickname
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i can explain the chick fil-A thing seth
I used to live in DC and used to go to wizard games at Verizon center for $10 (and im talking legit seats, was there for t-macs official debut as a knick was amazing) any way the Verizon center is legit and has a huge contract with chick fil-a but since the wizards suck soo much and nobody i mean nobody roots for them even when they are winning games. I’m talking worst than how the garden was during the dark ages of isiah. So to get the crowd in they had promos if the opposing team didn’t score x amount of points in the game, or make x amount of ft everyone in the arena could take their stub to chick fil-a and get a free meal.
Gotcha
Isn’t kind of funny, though, that Washington relies on other teams to fail to dole out prizes, as opposed to, say, giving out free food when their own team cracks 100 points? It makes sense, given the state of the franchise, but it just struck me as silly.
i think it has to do more when the wizards
were an actual team like three years ago before the “gun incident” that imploded the team. The sad thing is that franchise does have a somewhat loyal following, i still have a lot of friends living in DC who are wizard fans (for the moment though the CAPS are number 1 to them) and if they do go to games now its to see other teams play, plus Verizon center is smack dab in the center of DC chinatown that has a good bar scene. Great way to start a night see the lowly wizards get their asses handed to them by the heat, lakers, knicks, etc for 10 bucks while getting drunk only to go out and really start enjoying you night
Well, I would argue the Bullets have a much larger following than the Wizards
And in terms of sports teams in DC I’d rank them thusly:
1) Redskins
2) Strasburg
3) Caps
4) United
5) Nats
6) Wiz
Not to say the support isn’t there, but the goofy wizard logo, the shitty colors, and shitty play hasn’t done them any favors. Thankfully they changed to much better colors and John Wall got everyone excited for a while and there is an irrational love of JaVale McGee, but they need to be an actual team before the Verizon Center stops being a place where visiting teams’ fans can see a cheap game
Do the Shumpty Shump, come on and do the Shumpty Shump
can't compare football and bball in DC
Redskin fans are like Steelers and Packers fans, many of them have season tickets that have passed down generations of families. PLus Fedex field is nice. Honestly DC sports has more following seriously because imo because of their new stadiums and one prospect for each team. The Nats at RFK sucked and the team wasn’t even good till they drafted Strasburg and got attention for it coincidently the same year they opened their new ballpark in navy yard. The Bullets do have a place in DC sports history and fan base but many fans their don’t dwell on them like we do with our old Knick teams and players. DC United seriously i really don’t know anyone thats goes to their games down there. The Wizards were decently good with butler,jameison, and agent zero and thats where most of their fan base resides in, but since now they suck majority of them go to caps games (and DC is impossible to drive through when a caps game is on especially against pittsburgh). As for the WIz giving cheap tickets they advertise it hardcore especially on the metro. At every metro stop they have at least 3 billboards advertising $10 games and even have printed the season schedule for every game they do it for which if i remember right was every wed and friday games
I live in MD
and I think Fedex field is a terrible stadium. Absolutely horrible compared to other places.
Snyder has even ripped out most of the water fountains to the bare minimum regulation to force people to buy more bottled water.
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by Giantssincesix on Feb 9, 2012 7:37 AM EST up reply actions
are we talking about the same fedex
got taken once to a skins/eagles game and i didn’t think it was horrible, it wasn’t the most amazing place but wasn’t horrible
Been to Fedex plenty not like steelers or Packers at all
Lots of empty seats most folks leave at half time and in fact the Skins got rid of 10,000 seats in the place because they couldn’t sell the tickets or worse other teams fans were buying the tickets Like when the steelers played there a couple of years ago and it sounded like a Steelers home game!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Because Seth no one would come really
I live in DC and I would get nowhere near the place if they said Free Chick fil a everytime the Wizards score 100pts. It would be like why bother? It’s like the Redskin promo they have down here with Pizza Hut free toppings for every touchdown. Doesn’t work well cause basically all you get is a Cheese Pizza most weeks!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ouch!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 9, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seth, they're trying to encourage the Wizards to play defense.
Not really working very well.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
foul harder
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i would have gone for wizard scoring 100 ponts instead
that would only happen maybe 3 times a year
Just to further update the Chick-Fil-A thing
If I recall correctly, they did it 3 times. Twice it was if Lin or Tyson miss both free throws we win sandwiches, but one time it was if Landry misses a single free throw, we’d win. He promptly drained it, and I felt conflicted.
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How can they possibly go out and play at home
when their promos are like this? How will they find the morale to get better? This is terrible and should be stopped
you can look at it both ways though
Side A) you want to get fans in the stands why not give free promos as such. I remember going to the heat (pre-lebron)/wiz game and got a free meal from chick fil a and free dounts and coffee from dounkin dounts. Not bad for a $10 game
Side B) With the incentives for the opposing team gets the crowd to get on the team to play better defense so the fans can win something.
Either way though you are right doesn’t help morale at all
Let me put it this way the Wizards were hyping tickets to this game for weeks
with Come and See Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and the New York Knicks take on your Washington Wizards.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
nerd handshake!!!
I love that the team is fun to watch again and they legitimately enjoy playing with each other.
That's so Novak.
is killing it. This is exactly what I had envisioned upon possibly accidentally helping to start a “Steve Novak of Nazareth” movement that gained web-wide ridicule several days ago. All I was saying, is our man can shoot crafty. that IS so Steve Novak! (would also make a decent gif, if somebody wanted to)
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d'antonis' system really does fluff huh?
these last games have Gave me a new light on dantoni. I mean, I KNOW it depends heavily on a pg and we haven’t had a of run it…but damn it really does work so much more successfully when we have the pg who executes a p-n-r properly. I’m still on the fence on his late game okay calls…but this is a good start. Hopefully pringles will gain confidence and up his game as well as the players will.
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by semsemma on Feb 9, 2012 4:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Its as simple as A-B-C.
When you have a PG that can slash and finish, keep his dribble alive, and wreak havoc on defenses to create open shots for the shooters…you have a team that can compete on any night. Nothing fancy, extravagant or vainglorious is required.
This has been my point all season...
That we’ve needed a point guard, not even a really good point guard to get the team on track. Lin has completely surpassed all expectations with his own play but the real upside is that having a smart, competent point has made everybody else better and spread the floor which was exactly what wasn’t happening earlier in the season. I can’t wait for Stat to get back. He’s going to be feasting on these pick and rolls!
MDA's system
aka what most of the league does
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yes most of the league runs pnr
but not as much or as spaced as MDA does. Thats what i meant.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Suns fan here.
Great plays can make average players good and good players great, and a great play is harder to guard for 48 minutes than a great player. In Jeremy Lin, I see some real potential for the Knicks to learn how to play as a team. If he can learn how to run the most crucial play in D’Antoni’s system- the high pick n roll, the Knicks will be tough to beat.
There seems to be a discussion about the need for this team to find a way to get the ball to both Melo and STAT, the teams “great players.” IMO, in D’Antoni’s system this discussion should only have bearing on the last 5 minutes of close games. That’s because for the rest of the game, it should be a play, not a player, that carries the team. In D’Antoni’s system, and with the personnel in NY, that play is the high pick n roll.
Jeremy Lin shows the instincts and intelligence required for a point guard to run this play successfully. Lin is no Nash, but if he and STAT can develop even a semblance of the chemistry that Nash and Amar’e had, then the Knicks will not have to worry about finding a way for Melo and Amar’e to share the ball: it will take care of itself.
The Pick And Roll in Phoenix, even though it was initiated by Nash and STAT, was not a play designed to get the ball to Amar’e, but it was an extremely efficient way to create an open shot for anybody. If the defense sunk in to help, Nash would find a shooter; if they went under screens, Nash would drain a three, if they played the passing lane, then he’d kick out and find an open shooter.
Steve Nash came to Phoenix as a good player, but this great play turned him into a superstar. Shawn Marion was a good player before, but this play turned him into an extremely efficient player (the Suns didn’t “run any plays” for him, but he still managed to score in bunches, without taking any shots).
Melo is a ball stopper. And while he is nice to have around in the fourth quarter (has he proven this yet, btw?) his demand for the ball is going to cost everyone around him. Maybe I’m pointing out the obvious – that the Knicks need a good pg- but I think its just as important for them to not have a ball-stopper.
Really, he’s got to go, or else this system cannot work. And I’d rather pin my hopes on a team oriented system than on one player.
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furthermore,
I’m not of the free-nash camp. I’d like to see him retire a Sun, but with a year or two as Nash’s understudy, a smart dude like Lin could really thrive. Just another reason you guys want Nash.
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I think the Nash window has largely closed with the emergence of Jlin
especially with BDiddy coming online, I would be very disappointed if Lin’s minutes were cut significantly.
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I don't think I totally agree with this
I would love to have Nash playing for 25-30 minutes a game at point. It would be awesome to see them together, let Nash rest some and take advantage of his great outside shot by putting Lin in charge, but Lin needs more playing time now and not less. Unless Nash is going to show him some awesome workout routines to make him just as strong and good lefty, or how to hit >40% of his 3’s, Lin doesn’t need him to thrive – he kind of already is. Granted, Nash could give him plenty of advice, but a lot of that is stuff that MDA is going to start telling the kid now that he is clearly #1. Nash can tell him stories, but MDA was with Nash for much of his success, and knows the same stories and Nash’s take on them, as they no doubt discussed everything at length with each other. I just think that if Lin keeps playing like this, he doesn’t need someone like Nash around, he just needs more burn.
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Why do you and so many people - fans, tv commentators, sportswriters, bloggers, bar patrons - insist on making such definitive proclamations such as "Melo has to go" when this team hasn't even had the chance to operate...
one single damn game with all of its proper pieces together?
Fair enough,
Maybe Melo doesn’t have to go. But being that his game is to D’Antoni’s system what a square peg is to a round hole, something has to give. Either he needs to buy into D’Antoni’s philosophy and change his game drastically, or the system needs to change. I don’t believe that both can happen at once. Also, what are the proper pieces? Tyson Chandler, Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, who and who?
On a personal note, I just hate Melo’s game and face.
Hey- Don't Blame ME
I do my best to mitigate my biases,
and I don’t feel like it discredits my argument. But you can keep those quotation marks around the word “analysis” if you want.
Hey- Don't Blame ME
i could have told you your personal note
because its obvious you havent seen the passing melo has been doing.
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the problem with the team was so obviously the lack of a PG
Lin’s obviously shown potential to solve it. Carmelo’s bullshit happened cuz there was no PG so everything goes through him.
With a PG, its unknown. You remember Joe Johnson? That’s Carmelo’s game right there. He can do that now that he has a PG. If you even remember Joe Johnson as a Sun, “Suns fan”.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Everything that Lin has achieved,
has happened without Anthony on the floor.
Hey- Don't Blame ME
No my friend
Anthony played 34 Minutes against the Nets and Lin and he were on the floor for 26 of those together.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
you're right.
but I think you’re kind of an asshole too
Hey- Don't Blame ME
???
Yes, the guy who actually watches Knicks games and speaks from a place of knowing what he’s talking about and doesn’t just go into another team’s forum making up stats is definitely the asshole here…
Just my two cents.
Robert, you keep doing you.
by superturboultra on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
seriously dude, disagree, but holster that shit
before you make a fool of yourself dissing unwarranted on one of the classiest and knowledgeable dudes on here
This
you’re right. but I think you’re kind of an asshole too
Sums up Rohrshach.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Didn't mean it as disrespectful
Just that when he’s right (as he is most of the time) it comes off that way.
That, and I didn’t realize he was talking to Robert.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Normally I would have responded with something that would have gotten Seth
to ban me from here for four lifetimes, but instead. Consider it said friend and you have a blessed day!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Out of line of me.
I get defensive when my Suns fanhood is questioned. Sorry
Hey- Don't Blame ME
Strongly opinioned he is
but he backs up most of what he says and tries to be rational and base it off of facts. Just glad he didn’t deny Linsanity anymore after he got his first real shot like some people have
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Correlation ≠ Causation
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yea, but its been 3 games against some pretty shitty comp
granted the Knicks squad has been inferior each time out so he’s obviously doing something right, but who cares.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
hell, lin made Jared Jeffries into an offensive monster
you think he can’t make melo better?
You're not living up to your name.
Stainer of mountaintops.
by Chairman Meow on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Proper pieces
Lin with Tyson, STAT, Melo, Novak coming in and waiting for open 3’s, Landry and Shump cutting off the ball, and with Jefferies coming in for extra D and to give guys rest we are at 8. MDA has seemed to barely rotate beyond 8 players, and that is not including Baron coming back to play about half a game and give the team even more options. Honestly, I am an optimist, but those 8-9 can provide the Knicks with both above average offense and defense.
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Hope your wrong
I think Melo will get with the program when he comes back. If not, then yes we should dump him. The current style of play is much more enjoyable than heroball. We will know in a couple of weeks.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Melo was with the program right up until he got hurt
I mean his last play in a game was passing up a pull-up three and alley-ooping it to Chandler!
I'd like to see Carmelo operate with Amar'e and Lin first before I invent some bullshit that he's got to go
sure they fucked the team up by getting him in the first place. But he’s got to go? For what? Who’s gonna take him? No one.
The Knicks have to make this work, they have no choise.
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That is an interesting question
primarily because I have been watching the last three games closely and one thing stands out: ball movement. I don’t see anyone hanging on to the ball for more than a couple of seconds at best.
Melo is naturally an isolation player who tries to break defenses down by himself. He has to show that he can find his favorite spot, catch and shoot – Lin will probably get it to him there. I think melo has already shown that he can find the open guy out of a double team. With Lin backing him up to make that extra pass when melo kicks it out, he can be quite devastating.
But to do that melo has to alter his game somewhat.
Question is not will he – to the question is can he
There will always be a trade market for melo – but I would hate to lose the guy if he can alter his game to match a pg like lin.
So if it had been suggested a week ago...
That Melo would have to alter his style of play to play better with Lin, it would have only been in the context of a lame joke between 2 Knicks fans… This past week has been ridiculous.
I'm not worried about Melo
I think he’ll do fine. The guy wants to win and likes to pass. Sometimes he can get pissy at his teammates when things aren’t going well, and in those instances he’ll try to take over. That’s a flaw in his demeanor and his game. But when his teammates are playing well, he’s fine. See the Olympic squad.
I think Melo, like us, was frustrated with the point guard incompetence and possession wasting and tried to fix it the best way he knew how. It’s a different ballgame out there. I don’t see him ruining the Knicks’ offense.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
stop with the Olympic squad you were good til that
Really you can’t compare melo not getting pissy when he didn’t get the ball all the time in the Olympics, He was on the floor with Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Howard, Chris Paul for Pete’s sake. We will see how his ego takes it, when he wants the Ball and Lin shakes him off and runs a PNR for Jared Jeffries or kicks the ball to Novak in the corner. Talking about his demeanor when playing essentially exhibition games with his superstar friends is different than when he is getting passed over for shots for players that he does not consider in his league. I would like to think that Carmelo is mature enough to handle it, but we shall see.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
i think tht is a fair concern
but from what I saw on Monday, melo seems relieved to have lin around.
melo came back out in street clothes to watch lin. He seemed quite happy to have lin take over against the nets. He has to have seen Lin hold his own against Wall – and remember how the knicks struggled to beat the same washington squad in January.
I don’t think melo was too thrilled about the point forward role to start with, but he got quite good at it. Now that Lin is established, melo can happily take to the point forward as a ‘hobby’.
I will be curious to see the first game melo is back – will he hand the ball off to lin to bring it up the floor or will he try and to it himself and hand it off at the top of the key? While it is a small gesture, it will speak volumes about how melo is thinking: do I find my way to my spot and expect lin to find a way to get it to me there or do I set the offense up myself and ask lin to just execute the last piece: get it to me.
Personally, i think that by the time melo comes back, lin will be so deeply established as the pg, melo would be happy to just get in there and be the scoring threat that he always is.
maybe im just oblivious but i've never seen a player walk back out after being injured
stand by the opposings teams bench and watch Lin do his thing. I thought that was awesome in itself, not to mention he was clowning them in the process. and then after the game to lead the huddle at mid-court?? that made me smile almost as much as watching Lim
by blackhova on Feb 9, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm right there with you
now, i don’t know if melo ever got booed for holding the ball too long in denver, but it has definitely happened in new york. and it clearly made an impression on him.
that in and of itself seemed to make an impression on melo that he isn’t infallible, and that he can indeed be the problem on a given night. if this is just clockwork remains to be seen i guess. but its encouraging.
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If Novak swishes it, he won't care
If Jeffries is wide open but misses, but Melo had extra attention, he might tell Lin to pass less to Jeffries, but he will know why he did
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who'd take him?
despite our rough start, the guy is still an all star and he still plays at a high level. I could name 10 teams that’d probably have interest, including the three we just beat. Not that we should trade him mind you, I’m jus saying.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 9, 2012 2:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
the contract is prohibitive and no one's taking him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
not picking a fight but I'm just wondering prohibitive how?
there is a no trade clause? or do you mean the sheer size of the contract? because if you’re talking money, I mean we found a taker for Jerome James so I’m pretty sure we can finagle a taker for melo if we really had or wanted to.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 9, 2012 2:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Nyets would love him
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There have been two Melos this year
There is 1st half Melo, and there is 2nd half Melo.
1st half Melo is anything but a ball stopper. He is actually a point forward, and a very good one.
2nd half Melo is a one man isopalooza. He is that ball stopper that people can’t stand.
With the emergence of Lin, it is possible that 1st half Melo will now play the entire game, only allowing 2nd half Melo to show up when the shot clock is about to expire, or at critical moments towards the end of games.
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
Most of you are confusing cause with effect. Melo's isos are not the reason the Knicks played awful. It was the effect.
Its the lack of a Pg which stagnated the offense, deprived the offense of any rhythm or flow and forced Melo into isos…because that was the highest percentage shot for the Knicks.
Melo'a Isos are not the problem
The fact that he has been terrible in Isos is the issue.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
It kinda sounds like you guys are agreeing here...
It’s not that iso’s are always bad, it’s just that Melo has been missing shots (which is not usually the case). He’s been trying too hard cause up until the last 3 games nobody else has been scoring.
he has also not been having much success
because he has been injured all over his body
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Where did I say that Melo's iso's caused all of the Knicks' poor play?
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"He who gets the best players usually wins" - Bobby Bowden
You were doing fine until you said it can't work with Melo
Any player would rather get the ball with no one on him and shoot an uncontested shot instead of having to jab, juke and jive and take a still somewhat contested shot. Having a player with Melo’s ability to create his own shot just adds to what the opposition has to defend, something I would guess the Suns never had, so you never got to successfully see. There will be plenty of times when they get down the court and Melo has an obvious mismatch, good time to get him the ball. There will be 12+ minutes a game when Lin is on the bench resting, Melo will become much more important as a play maker for himself and his teammates then. He has seemed to struggle to create for his teammates for all 4 quarters of a game, but he has shown the ability to be a really good creator in spurts all season. What you probably don’t realize is how good of a passer he is, and much better he can become with repetition. I hope this point-forward business happens much less often now, but I hope they still pick their spots with him creating and running the PnR, because until Lin came, Melo was our best PnR ball handler, and those plays were the Knicks most successful. He is averaging a career best 4.2 apg thus far this year and, though he will get less touches, there is no reason to think he can’t continue that or improve in the future. Until we see him play with Lin for a few games, debating this seems pointless, but just assuming he has to go is very wrong.
The opposition has to choose between leaving Melo open to close in on Lin, or stay on Melo and let Lin get to the hoop – there is no right answer.
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by astromets on Feb 9, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They just resigned Chandler
they will probably start winning again.
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
Don't speak ill...
…of Ill Wil. That’s forbidden.
by urban analrapist on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't see this anywhere?
KNICKS NOW
http://nyknicksnow.blogspot.com/ - check it out!
by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
hasn't officially happened yet.
But Chandler apparently said he would resign with Denver when this ChinaBA is over. And since Denver can match any other offers anyways…
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 9, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I saw it on the crawl on NBA tv last night
It came accross pretty quick so maybe I could have gotten it wrong..
I hate losing more than I love winning -- Billy Beane
I think the reason they want him back is because that "depth" they've been beating their chests over is quite overrated if your starting lineup is kinda sucky sucky...
but shhhh..dont tell that to denverstiffs
and cuz the cock is injured for a while
that kinda hurts them…even though in their words he’s not a “valuable asset”.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 9, 2012 2:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
They'll start winning the 1 in 3 games where he actually has some effect...
on the outcome of the game rather than blending into the hardwood like he did here on so many occasions.
I don't dislike Will at all...
And I readily admit and hope I’m wrong about his play. His abundance of skill and inability to be consistent just used to drive me crazy. He would come out some nights and look like an all star and then the next game it would be like “Is Will playing tonight?” Much of it was probably a function of him being a young player on a bad/ rebuilding team. Don’t mean to come off as anti Will, I just wish he had played up to his potential when he was a Knick. If there was any chance I would gladly welcome him back.
They need Gallo back
He creates so much space for Lawson to penetrate and wreak havoc
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Exactly...
if anything, them losing shows how important Gallo is for them.
more like a gamma ray burst!
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You got a link to this?
Didn’t see that anywhere
KNICKS NOW
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Side Note
Jerome Jordan looked terrible. Slow footed, clumsy, and still has that hacking motion when he tries to block.
My Wife is a Patriot's fan...
"Giants rely on fumbles and stripping the ball. If the pats secure the ball, then the pats win, but if they fumble or let the ball get striped than the giants win. every game the giants play they always benefit from the other teams bonehead mistakes (fumbled or striped) not from thier skills. The giants are a dirty team, I can’t think of any othe team as dirty as the giants. They try to strip the ball as hard as they can because they know they can’t win a fair game." by EaglesNeedD on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 AM EST
Maybe he just needs more time to become the ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
right Chris Sheridan?
that is just not true
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Flossy leave Baba alone
Josh Selby who you wanted the Knicks to take with the 17th pick sucks, how do you average more turnovers than assists in garbage time. Jarvis Varnardo who you wanted the Knicks to trade into the first round to draft is he even in the league? Point is Baba is high on Jordan for whatever reason and he has the right to be just as you got all warm and gooey for Selby and Varnardo. We all have the right to be wrong, so lighten up on the guy.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I never wanted Varnado
and I assure you that Selby would have been a better option at PG than Toney Douglas
would have been a huge waste of a pick
That’s like cleaning up a stinking corpse to make room for a slightly newer one
That was me that wanted Varnado
Guilty as charged! I didn’t want Selby though.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Your overreacting again
Alot of us that’s been saying get Lin and Novak playing time thought that in the losing state the Knicks were in, that dantoni could perhaps have weapons on his bench that could be contributing….after hesitating for much too long and having his back against the wall, he finally gave these players playing time….and they have been contributing big time. No one is saying that these players are or would be great….just to give them playing time considering the other options available. The Knicks could have been using these guys for weeks now and who knows? LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED….
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
I think Jordan might be NBA-rotation worthy at some point
Though, right now, with Chandler playing well, they don’t really need him.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
this
They should be trying to teach him a lot, because he looks rather athletic for a 7 footer, but for now we don’t need him much and he is not ready. If I were coach, I would have him and Tyson taking turns one-on-one for a bit everyday. Tyson could get work on his back to the basket game, and Jordan could get work on defense and going up against one of the best defensive bigs in the game
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
that book-worm handshake thing was priceless
landry has a new bff!
i’m fairly confident that melo will buy into this system. now that a proper playmaker has emerged and the spacing is finally there, this is going to frustrate the crap out of the opposing team’s scouting reports. smartest backcourt + genuinely stacked front court in all of the NBA = really fun team basketball. it’s seemed like we’ve definitely turned a corner after that Chicago game.
One thing I dont like
is everytime a big play happens, guys jump and their backs collide. They do this in football now also. If Amare can strain his damn back dunking it, or stepping on a fucking jump rope, we are just ASKING for a bulging disc by guys continually doing this.
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 9, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions
No need to stress
Bumping into each other is a much smaller collision than dunking a basketball the wrong way. It’s not like they’re running at full speed down the court, jumping as high as they can and trying to knock each other to the ground. And that jump rope thing could have been a freak accident. They’re just as likely to injure their backs doing a layup than they are celebrating after a bucket.
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These guys
put tons and tons of stress on their entire bodies. Yes, they are also in better shape so it can withstand the beating (though Melo’s supposed great off-season conditioning is starting to make me wonder), but anything can cause spondy, or DDD etc. A freak accident, bending over at the wrong angle, or jumping into each other especially when a guy like Tyson, whose Thigh or Hip which has a much larger and sturdier bone is hitting Lins back.
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 9, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I work
in the manufacture of Interspinous Process devices. ANYTHING can begin to cause DDD, or a hernia, or a slip. We dont know bullmess about the spine, and I just dont like guys that are CONSTANTLY active doing something extra that includes a collision to their backs and sides.
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Especially
when it is Lin, who is small, jumping into Chandler, who is pretty big .
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Whose got it better than us??? NOBODY!
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 9, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
From where do you get these statistics?
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I just can't believe how well this team plays
the joy they all seem to have playing alongside Lin is obvious too. When he wasn’t there and the two “stars” were, everything was such struggle. This game is simple and Lin’s seemed to simplify everything for everybody, even if his own game is complex.
I said before that the way this stuff is going down is almost a perfect storm. Amar’es gonna fit right in perfectly. He’ll score 40 a game with Lin feeding him the rock, and that leaves Chandler with more energy to play defense and hopefully that means less fouls. Carmelo I really have no idea, but hopefully he buys in too. Cut that iso shit out, set some god damn picks you fat and you’ll get some wide open Js.
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I think he will thrive
he wont have the ball in his hands nearly as much, and he will be getting open jumpers. The crazy difficult shots he does make, I would figure wide open shots will be no thing for him. He is just too good to not want to win.
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by MetsKnicksRutgers on Feb 9, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling
He will be running a lot more mid-range curls, similar to last season. Lot of catch and shoot, or one fake and get to the rim.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Funny fact
Air Lin, Lebron James, and Greg Anthony are 3 of 5 players to post 20+pts and 8+assts in 1st 2 starts…that greg anthony thing scares me a little.
I always like Anthony
At least as a player. Seeing him speak on TV is like uhhh an endumbening.
by superturboultra on Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Anthony backed up Mark Jackson for a whole season.
Then, after they traded Jackson in the offseason, Anthony started in the beginning. Remember, this was a team with Ewing and Oakley (also Charles Smith at the 3).. They did look very good for a few games, but even in those games, Anthony didn’t look at good as Lin looks now. Suprised to hear that he put up those stats though.
Get The Frickin' Rebound
Seth, you have it all wrong:
(one of which was an exceedingly badass tip-dunk of a Shumpert airball as the shot clock expired.)
No, no, no: that was an alley-oop from shump-shump. An alley-oop I tell you!
That’s my story and I am sticking to it.
From the Wizards' perspective
this was on SI.com’s game recap
Wizards coach Randy Wittman knew about Lin from a close relative. His son played against Lin in college. Ryan Wittman, who played for Cornell, sent his father a sarcastic message during the game.
“He told me that they did a much better job guarding him than we did tonight,” Wittman said. “I already had that text message before the game was over. Makes Dad feel good.”
LMAO
to Disney WORLD, beeeyatches!!!
Ryan is right
Cornell beat harvard twice to win the Ivy league.
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how that is sarcastic!
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Lin and Wall
It was interesting to see the difference between Lin and Wall – Wall had by far the better individual game but Lin’s is the one that stood out because he made everyone around him better. I forgot what it meant to have a real pg in this system.
And can Wall burn or what? I don’t think I have seen someone with such explosive end to end speed before. Maybe Westbrooke but I think Wall is better. Now he just has to realize that there are 4 other players on the court.
Wall
Wall’s end-to-end speed and finishing at the rim is insane.
And in his defense, it’s difficult to make your team better when you’re surrounded by morons with extremely low basketball IQs. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team play with less intelligence and cohesion. Their defensive help was non-existent; it’s got to be extremely frustration for a player like Wall to deal with that.
You must be young
Phil Ford, Ricky Green, and Randy Smith would all have left those guys in the dust. Randy Smith is still the fastest human being ever timed in the baseline to baseline dribble drill and he did that at 34!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Nice picture
Rob – Look at your “scrubs” that should be rotting on the bench….who would have thought huh???
Wait a minute…..
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Jason I love your internet courage
However My friend you have a tendency of overstating your correctness. Number one you have not been calling for lin to play for Months he had been on the team 6 weeks. Number to I wrote a fanpost two weeks ago suggesting that Novak should be given minutes early in games to see if he can hit some shots. But let’s not go with the fact.
Is Novak is a one dimensional player who is doing well in that one dimension for 2 games. Great he is earning his paycheck. Lin well you can’t have it both ways. He plays for D’Antoni remember him? D’Antoni’s system inflates a point guards stats, remember saying that Jason. So Lin is the creation of a system that inflates Stats so that means he is a scrub. See how it works. I can admit the kid is playing alot better than I thought he would, if you can admit that you did not believe the Knicks had 25 pts and 8 assists a game sitting on the bench or that Steve Novak would average 19pts a game off the bench!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
you guys are cute
You really need to stop making excuses and just enjoy the play that these guys are bringing to the floor. It’s like you wanted to be so right that these guys were gonna come in and stink it up and back up you “dantoni should be finding ways to NOT play them” statement. I’ve always said Novak is 1 dimensional, but it’s the one dimension that makes him fit so well in this system, USE HIM….Lin is a pure point gurad, so important in this system USE HIM.
Instead of being happy for these guys and admitting you were wrong that could actually contribute you seem to be happy with making dumb excuses and going off on tangents. Yes, I realize this system inflates stats, but since these guys bring strengths to this system, you have to use them….I NEVER in any post said these guys were going to post these stats and that’s what you keep bringing up that is idiotic….I said they could HELP and be of USE, which even if Novak was giving 10 off the bench and Lin was giving 8 and 8, I would still be saying this…..stop with the excuses
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Not to you directly - more to everyone nagging on eachother and players - + seems like a good spot tho - but it amazes me how awesome it has been to watch this team and the fun style of play
and so many of us are still quibbling about this, that and the other instead of just enjoying the ride. I <3 this team right now. Even the scrubs! It’s just fun even if it turns out to be unsustainable. But the groundwork for team play and establishing just what this team under MDA (like him or not) can be. I will never admit to enjoying Melo’s style for instance, but also believe as he melts into the MDA culture of offense, he will be an even more wicked scorer. This teams got potential and are having fun…lets have fun along with em.
I def agree to enjoy this right now
these bench players are stepping up and playing really well
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Do you know what annoys me
Is that you are full of it. I already said I was wrong on lin. And you ignore the fact that I said, not you but me Jason 3 weeks ago to play Novak. But that you seem to play loose with the facts when you feel like it.
For the record I said I don’t know why Novak is not getting time and maybe it had to do with poor performance in practice. Practice after all is where bench players get to impress coaches and get PT. I also pointed out that he is a bad defender and since the team is supposed to be stressing defense maybe that is why he isn’t getting more time. I also pointed out that for some reason every coach he has ever had, including guys that you Jason believe to be far better and smarter coaches than D’Antoni did not play this guy except in garbage time, so maybe there is some issue there. Those are not excuses they are attempts to find an answer to why this guy hasn’t been able to crack the rotation on any of the 4 teams he has played on before this one.
As for Lin I pointed out correctly that they kid played terribly when he got in the game during garbage time, and that probably suggested that he was not the answer in real time with the game on the line. Lin himslef said going to the D-league and playing with the Bayhawks (who run D’Antoni’s system) helped him understand what he could and couldn’t do in the offense. Frankly I am happy that I have been wrong about both players of late, as I enjoy when the Knicks win games. And as for excuses, stop looking for excuses to instigate like an 8th grader, and I will comment no more on the subject. Or I could make you the same offer I made Dizzy. Let’s meet up have a beer and discuss our differences concerning the Knicks face to face. Because something tells me that you will not be so arrogant in those circumstances. Choice is yours, but if you insist on continuing to instigate then I am gonna insist that we have that beer. So what do you say pal? I’m buying!
by Robert Curre on Feb 9, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love internet tuff guys!!
Ok whatever Rob, just keep talking in circles….I really don’t know (or care) if you suggested that they play Novak like you claim. I do know that you argued the fact that they are not NBA players, were scrubs, and shouldn’t be on the floor when I brought it up that they should be getting pt a few times so I guess you were playing both sides of the fence, which you love to do, so drink your own beer.
But whatever, I’m done…you see what’s happenning and I am too. I love guys that talk around in circles to find excuses. Would the Knicks be better off now if they hadn’t played Lin or Novakl at all? Yes or No? That’s really all I have to say at this point. Get the last word if you want, but just settle down and enjoy tuff guy….
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
AWWW!!!! Jason did I scare you?
I am sorry, trust me Jason it’s not that serious. Look you are probably a very nice guy, I just offered to buy you a beer. No seriously dude, is it that you are not right very often? Because you have gone out of your way to let me know you were right about Lin in every comment. It is annoying to be honest, and probably causes you problems with your girlfriends boyfriends or whatever floats you young guys boats these days. And since I offered to meet you face to face, there is no internet tough stuff here Pal. But you are correct I am a tuff guy as you claim. Afterall my screen name is my name and I am in the Phone book! So obviously if you say half the stuff I do and don’t hide behind some phony screen name, you are probably pretty confident you can handle whatever nut jobs run around out here on the internet. Oh Well your loss, see you at the Garden. And Like I said, I am in the phone book, so if your ever in DC, look me up and we can have that beer. Really, tough stuff, over whose playing off the bench for the Knicks, please you must be a child! Smooches!
by Robert Curre on Feb 10, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't do internet dating Rob
thanks for asking me out for a drink after meeting me in this chat room, but I’ll pass….you really sound like a bitter guy, you need to chill.
Look, none of us know anyone in here. I can be a homeless dude stealing someone’s wifi, I can be an investment banker, I could be a surgeon, I could be an actor…fuck I could be Obama. Doesn’t really matter, just like I don’t care what you do or who you are or how many other guys you’ve asked on dates from this site.
If your gouing to be so sensitive and throw this level of a hissy fit everytime you are wrong or someone disagrees with you, you probably shouldn’t post here. Everyone has diff views whether or like they think dantoni is a good coach, whether or not Melo sucks, and who should get playing time and who is a scrub. You prob should get used to disagreements and not catch feelings…just some advice tho, in the future, try not to put words in people’s mouths which you love to do…it just clouds the discussion and leads to unnecessary confusion…please don’t ask me out on anymore dates I kinda got my plate full and don’t swing that way!
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
Can't tell if serious?
So Lin is the creation of a system that inflates Stats so that means he is a scrub.
I will readily admit I never expected 20+ points, at least not this soon, had no idea he could finish at the rim like this. But I did believe he could put up 8 assists if given enough time out there
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I was merely pointing out that Jason is typing out of both sides of the keyboard
when you point out that other players have played well in D’Antoni’s system, he says the system inflates stats, but then he will use the performance of a guy he claims to have been backing for months to make a point. If the system inflates stats then Lin is a creation of the system and not any actual talent. See you can’t have it both ways.
Thanks for clearing it up
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But again Rob is missing the point
I wanted these guys to get playing time because they had skills that could help the team. How they were going to perform and at the level of course no one knew. I thought they could contribute off the bench, which they have exceedingly. Of course I didnt thing line would be getting double doubles or Novak would be lighting it up. But I knew they had certain skills that could help in this system. Rob keeps overlooking this and is acting like I said I knew they would be having this much success just becuase he wants to argue and feels the need to defend dantoni so much for not giving them pt beforehand…
You just got Tysoned!!!!!!
no Jason I am pointing out that you type out of both sides of the keyboard
when it is a player that you are not behind 100% or something about D’Antoni it is all about the system inflating stats. But when it is guys you feel should be playing or like, then the system seems to have nothing to do with it. Did you not claim that Steve Nash’s improved play in PHX and Felton’s play for the Knicks were the result of a system that inflates their stats yes you did. Now I made a comment that Lin’s play is a result of the system then. If the system inflates a future Hall of famer like Nash’s stats and a guy who was a top 5 pick in Felton’s stats, then the system also inflates Lin’s stats. See how the logical progression works.
by Robert Curre on Feb 10, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
different arguement tho
TOTALLY. My arguement on this point was getting these bench players playing time because they can contribute…that’s it…nothing about dantoni’s system or him being a good or bad coach.
AGAIN…The only thing I was talking was getting Lin and Novak minutes because I thought they could help this team since our bench play was shit….this is you going off on different tangents again. When I talk about dantoni’s system, or him being a good or bad coach, THEN you can bring up your points about his system…get it?
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i dont think anyone expected lin to have this production
and you cant convince me otherwise. sure he had fans who openly hoped he’d do something like this but no one has seen anything from him up until this point that would indicate he’d produce like this at this level. ditto for novak.
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 9, 2012 2:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
anybody find a vid of this ?
in one particularly awesome play, actually crossing paths with the rolling Chandler, turning all the way around, and feeding Chandler on the opposite side of the rim from the one he rolled on. I didn’t explain that well, so I’ll share a video if I find one. The point is Lin’s quite talented at taking detours to resurrect a pick-and-roll play if the initial action isn’t working.
welp
Now I’m thinking that play didn’t make it to the highlights because Chandler drew a foul but didn’t score. But 3:55ish is kind of what I’m talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xso2bGDTSjg
He doesn’t feel like going left, so he just waits until he has a window to head back to his right.
Here's a vid of his night with somewhat similar stuff at 0:15, 4:30 and 4:53
Plus I have to throw this in at 5:05, I luv TD’s class – happy lil dude for his team tho he ain’t playin.
TD is gonna be fine and I actually don’t mind him sitting a week or two to get his mind and body back. Can never tell if he’s injured or not cuz no one really says anything. I think TD will come back and chip in his usual 10-3 and 3 which will only further deepen and help the team.
against new jersey
toney played off-guard and just didnt really have the ball in his hands too much, he missed some pretty good looks, but in general you could see him being a competent player in that role. just needs to shake the slump.
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what he really needs to do is be more careful when trying to fight through screens,
I honestly think that he reinjured his shoulder a little and that has been a part of his problem. Unfair expectations have been another problem too.
yea thats possible.
he wouldn’t get crushed as often if he didn’t hound guys for 90 feet. but he does that every time no matter what.
and that does two things really, it makes it easy to shake him because he’s over-aggressive, and it makes easy to screen him because he’s constantly recovering.
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Agreed
Mike Breen was talking about this the other night. You don’t go from hitting the most 3-pointers in the LEAGUE after the All-Star break to missing the broad side of a barn. Talent like that doesn’t simply disappear and I think he reaggravated his shoulder
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
any video of Clyde calling the game?
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I remember this being an awesome play
It’s the one the refs waved off right? God that was awesome. If anybody has a chance to go a game, my rec is to DO IT. I was at this last one and there were equal cheers for the Knicks as there were for the Wizards. I know this game is probably not the best example of something like that, but the energy is so fun
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
seriously two videos i watched right when we picked this dude up
was the video of him and gilbert arenas going back and forth launching 48 foot threes and the video of him hitting like 40 threes in a row…dont be fooled children this kid has a jumpshot
is it time to trade him yet ???
sreh ladien e' ta janjia
by Lord Smackington on Feb 9, 2012 2:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's only acceptable
if he’s also #s 1, 3, 4 and 5.
by nocookiesforme on Feb 9, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hi guys,
I’m from a town called South Shields in the U.K. Iv been a big fan of the knicks since visiting New York in feb 2001 and going to a game against the Sonics (which the knicks won!). I’v followed the knicks closely and subscribe to NBA League Pass every season.
I’m coming back to New York this coming Monday and plan to go to the game on Wednesday Feb 15th v the Kings. Could anyone reccomend a good area to get tickets i.e a good view without paying through the nose ….. Also, is there any place to get cheaper discounted tickets for the game ala the place in Times Square that does discounted Theatre tickets?
One final thing, where is a good place to go pre-game for food and drinks? Thanks for any help you can give – if any of you are ever in the U.K and need any help with football (soccer) tickets then give me a shout!
Cheers
GO KNICKS!!!
by D'Antoni's 'Tash on Feb 9, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Wish I could help but don't know any of that
wanted to say I hope you enjoy your visit, get a Knicks LIN and that the league pass finally proves worth it (as in, the Knicks are finally worth watching!). Saw Wicked on a Monday during my Xmas break and we got 4th row seats for a reasonable price from the shows website
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One place that is decent for good American BBQ is Brother Jimmy's
You can check out the menu online to see if the selection and prices appeal to you.
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Also a much cheaper option for watching the game,
though it would just be on tv… tv has excellent views?
Maybe someone else can help you out with the food and drinks pre-game, but two websites you can check in case you don't know
stubhub.com
tiqiq.com
and I guess there’s always Ticketmaster.
Hope you enjoy your stay!
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by GAx on Feb 9, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome!
As GAx noted above me, stubhub.com is a good place to check for people selling discounted tickets. Cragislist might even have some too, but that can be a sketchier route.
Three years ago, I went to a game with my mom and girlfriend and got dinner at a place called Mustang Sally’s and it was pretty good. It was only like a 3 block walk from the Garden too! Other than that, I’m a bit of a NY noob, so I can’t help you out too much
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by WSD on Feb 9, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
CONSPIRACY THEORY
It’s been sitting under our nose the whole time.
Lin #17

Amare #1 + Carmelo #7

by Cakalusa on Feb 9, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Seeing Lin's first NBA dunk in person was fucking sweet.
Knew I shouldda made a sign. And it should have said something funny. Hindsight’s 20/20. DAMN
posi..tive ....thoughts..?
@krishhhayyy
Do these last few games more or less prove that the PG position is more than just dribbling?
I mean, Melo DOES have a solid handle with the rock and he is a good passer when he wants to be. But, look at how different the offense has been with Jeremy Lin.
The lane is wide open and gusy are spread on the wings and cutting and slashing. It’s like they all know they cannot create for themselves so they have to just slash and move to open spots. So they don’t try to do play the ISO game.
My only worry is when we get Melo healthy again if he will pay off the more ISO oriented basketball. I think it is going to really help the Knicks to have Amar’e back first so it’s a more gradual strengthening of the team as a team. I don’t epxect Melo to play until after the All-Star break (if he takes the full 2 weeks off, the end of that is ASG). Amar’e doesn’t seem to want to force the ISOs so he could very well just slide into a slashing and PNR offense more seamlessly. I think the knicks will sustain this good play until the break.
But it’s gonna be very interesting how Melo changes the offense. I’m not dumping on him at all either. He is supremely talented and if the Knicks are winning games, he is smart enough to flow with it rather than overtake it. At least I hope so!
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by Chris Child's Fist on Feb 9, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
The key
Will be Melo moving without the ball. I think we’ll see him in a variety of roles. If D’Antoni is the offensive genius we think he is, he’ll be very creative.
As the three, I expect Melo to come off curls and screens a lot more, and I think he can get a lot of easy looks from Lin.
I also expect to see more of Melo as a stretch 4 with Amar’e at the 5. This puts us at a disadvantage on D, but it can really cause some matchup problems on offense. Lin running the pick n roll with Amar’e ready to kick out to Melo to punish the help defender. I also think Melo is capable of guarding some of the less dominant 4’s and Amar’e can at least hold his own down low unless he’s facing an elite big.
The Melo iso will probably be relegated to times when Lin is out of the game. That is, of course, until BD comes back :D
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I think it's been obvious to everyone including Melo....
that moving the ball works, whereas, whatever you call what they were doing before wasn’t working at all. I think Melo will be on the page with running the way we have been the last 3 games and he’s basically said that that’s what they’ve been trying to do a along. I remember many interviews where he’s mentioned “moving the ball” and “spreading the floor”.
I also think he’s going to be extremely effective because the way the floor has been being spread is going to open things up so he can use his quickness to attack the basket plus he has a damn near impossible to defend jumper if it gets kicked out to him.
Once we get Stat and Melo back I think we are going to have so many scoring options that we are going to be pretty unstoppable. It’s going to be interesting, definitely interesting!
You're right, it's not just having a handle on the rock
Lin times things perfectly out there, him and Tyson look like they’ve been playing together for months or years with the chemistry they have, and he has good finishing speed. Play against Washington – Lin gets past Wall and into the paint, things get a little mucked up so he hesitates and backs off a step while angling so Wall can’t get back in front him, then the lane opens up and he scores an easy bucket.
No reason Melo will stop this, this will make things so much easier for him to be the top scorer we all know he is capable of being
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Yup
Credit that play just as much to our man Jeffries who boxed out the Wiz defender
by superturboultra on Feb 9, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions

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