When is it okay to boo?

by Seth on Dec 16, 2007 2:17 PM EST in Miscellaneous Comment 11 comments

The discussion has already started below, so I'll make it its own thread for everyone.

The Knicks have registered almost a dozen lackluster, careless efforts this year, which brought boos and chants of "Fire Isiah" down from the bleachers. Most would agree that fans must voice their feelings when the team isn't performing to such a degree.

But what about last night? The Knicks performed well and came away with a pretty nice win over the rival Nets. Crawford, Randolph, and Curry had some of their best games of the season, and a nice run in the fourth quarter put the game out of reach. But then the "Fire Isiah" chants started up as time wound down in the quarter. Surely, one win over a shitty team doesn't suddenly relieve Isiah of his target status, but can you really call for his head after a home victory? What does that say about us as an organization and a fanbase? Is there a difference between booing wholesale and calling for the firing of one person?

Some thoughts from our commenters:

DoctorK16: "There's a fine line between being demanding and mean, and that line was crossed last night."

Anthony Mason's Haircut: "I dont care if the "fire isiah" chants come after every play. the change needs to be made."

SamH: "I'm tired of the garden booing when we're down and cheering any little, pathetic run. that's not going to change anything. people need to be dissatisfied no matter what the immediate state of the team."

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I think "Fire Isiah" is ok, even after a win. It's not like we're jeering Eddy, Zach, or Jamal after a good performance. The hating is directed towards a specific person, and I wouldn't be surprised if a number of the players would chant along with us, given the opportunity. One win over the Nets deserves cheers for the team (which they got), but it'll take a lot more to get Isiah on our good side. A LOT more.

At the risk of getting political...Kind of like supporting the troops but loathing Bush at the same time? I don't know.

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by Seth on Dec 16, 2007 2:27 PM EST reply actions

the problem with that

is the players have been pretty vocal for their dislike of the "Fire Isiah" chant. I think a night of apathy toward Zeke and give the team a positive vibe inside the World Most Famous, letting them a little taste of what its like to succeed here. Fire IT can wait until there shitting on the court again.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 16, 2007 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

FIRE ISIAH PROTEST 11 AM at MSG 12/30/2007

Please support this effort. Power in numbers is the only way to have our voices heard collectively.

I have received surprising emails from media outlets and personalities expressing their support for this event.

by joeyvworks on Dec 16, 2007 2:34 PM EST reply actions

I don't care for any fire isaiah chants

I find his conduct to be horrible and he deserves to be fired.

However, I think what is lost in the fire isaiah shit is the fact that the (some of the) players deserve just as much criticism. It is apparent that some guys just don't care for long stretches of certain games.

That being said... Boo the fucking team not the coach

I'm think I'm gonna average like 10 points, like 12-13 dimes, like 2.. 3 assists and about 4 -5 rebounds

by HoyaKnicksFan on Dec 16, 2007 2:36 PM EST reply actions

i agree with this also

Players have to take hits.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 16, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions

FIRE ISIAH PROTEST 11 AM at MSG 12/30/2007

Details are as follows:

Hello All Disgusted, Miserable, Die-Hard Knick Fans,

Sunday December 30th 2007
11:00 AM (Noon Game)

Protest in front of MSG to OUST ISIAH.
The time has come to raise our voices.

Knicks vs. Bulls (Sure to be another pitiful loss!)

email: joeyvworks@yahoo.com

Step up and push to get Isiah removed!

by joeyvworks on Dec 16, 2007 2:36 PM EST reply actions

Sounds good.

We saw it the first time.

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by Seth on Dec 16, 2007 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

Fire Isiah!

I was at the game last night (I swear this team will never lose in my presence) and I personally tried to start a Fire Isiah chant during the dogs chasing frisbees show at halftime, and at least one knicks city kids chant. Nobody around me thought it was funny.
Anyway, my thought on the subject, I think it sends a message when you do it during a win, but it's important to note that it was only ok because the game was already sealed, and not during a close game.

The Son of Dippin.

by Barnesgasm on Dec 16, 2007 2:49 PM EST reply actions

Lame.

Personally I think the chants are lame but I understand why they're doing it. I was at the game on Saturday and I thought the chants showed no class. Where's the distinction between a crappy effort (like the Philly game on 12/8, I was there too)and a well played game like Saturday? I think it makes other fan bases laugh at us and prospective players not want to play here.

by marzak on Dec 16, 2007 6:20 PM EST reply actions

What I don't understand....

In which respect/universe/mind/whatnot is it unfair to give objective feedback on a job poorly done?

It's not, as if the crowd was booing the players or calling for their necks.
I think anyone stepping onto a basketball court should be bright enough to discriminate between himself and his coach (the one he quit on like 4 weeks ago at the least).

Maybe I missed something in the reports and IT did a friggin' tremendous job of coaching against the Nets... but I doubt it, seriously.

So, in my conclusion, it would be a crappy fan-base when a close win over mediocre opponents means "all is forgiven".

Cya Wraith

by wraith on Dec 17, 2007 2:51 PM EST reply actions