
John R
Apr 14, 2008 Dec 01, 2008 79 1470
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Wagesofwins on the Trade and the Clippers so far
Its mostly obvious news that can be split into good and bad, and maybe one great.
The great news is we are not seeing significant diminishing returns from the Camby/Kaman combo. Both players are performing near the top of the career scales. The Clippers may have the top performing PF/C combo in basketball. (Gasol/Bynum = 0.584, Camby/Kaman = 0.588) There is no need to break this up. If you do need to break it up, you need two average players just to break even, sending both the 2 guard of the night AND Thornton to the bench as depth. If the Clippers can get both Richardson and Wallace for Kaman, now you are talking...maybe.
The big good news is that tandem is going to get even better with the addition of Zach Randolph as we have slowly talked ourselves into. ZBo is having a career year so far. The removal of the far-negative production Tim Thomas will in total add not just an all-star but the equivalent to an all-time player to the Clippers front court. The rotation of Camby/Kaman/Randolph with Skinner cleaning up is just sick deep. The article mentions the issue of minutes, which is fair. There are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5 and doesn't it make sense given these guys injury histories to split that up evenly and keep them all at about 32 each? There isn't a dropoff in production so why not? Randolph could get some duty at the 3 I suppose, but it would need to be proven he could be as productive there.
In further good news Thornton has clawed his way up from the depths of the NBA to be a merely below average player. I think thats ok from his spot and he may be a feast and famine guy throughout his career. He is going to go 3-15 sometimes and 5-7 for 20 points sometimes. The Clippers fortunes may continue to go as Thornton goes each night, but at least he isn't the worst anymore. I think this matches what we have seen this season. A continuation of the overall improvement, but generally he is still just a scorer.
Also good, and historically surprising, news: Gordon isn't killing the Clippers. You take his negative rating and love it since it is effectively zero. More minutes for EJ will make the team better.
The bad news is pretty obvious. Ricky Brickets has been just destorying the team so far. We don't need fancy metrics to figure that out. But it is fun to note that he has single handedly undone the good of BD, Thornton, and Skinner combined. Yikes.
I think we also file BD under bad news. He has been performing at the level of average PG. That's good in the sense that it isn't bad, but I think we need more out of him. He has seemed to be coming around the last few games, so maybe the stats will tell a different story soon. He isn't just walking it up and handing the ball to Mobley anymore. He's taking (and hitting) his shots without apology and mixing in some drives.
Overall, what we have been seeing all along. The frontcourt has been doing their job and begging for help from the backcourt and bench.
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Everything you need to know about ZBo.
10 days ago
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Coaches Don't Matter
TrueHoop links to a Slate piece which is about another piece, blah blah blah.
The punchline is, except in very few cases, coaches don't matter. And further funny, a few of the ones who do matter aren't necessarily considered good coaches and often get fired and at least one other loses early and often in the playoffs.
Pat Riley, Larry Brown...no effect. When it comes to coaches, look to Utah. Value stability and put the franchise over the current crop of players.
13 days ago
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Pulling their weight - A quick look at the vets
Cat Mobley:
08-09 13.5pts on 40.7% shooting 2.9reb 1.3ast
07-08 13.1pts on 43.3% shooting 3.7reb 2.7ast
Though most guys I will compare vs. Career averages, Mobley will be tracked year over year to be fair to his age. Cat is having his worst year ever from the field and also from the stripe. Rebounds are way down, blocks are way down and fouls are way up. Though his points are actually up, he is taking more shots to get there and getting to the line less. It might finally be time to let the old Blanket out to the moths. Its not the decline in production, per se, the stats don't tell the story of someone in a good place. Hustle stats are down AND efficiency is down. The story being told is of selfishness.
Ricky Davis:
08-09 8.9pts on 31% shooting, 32% from deep. 0.8FTA 3reb 3.6ast 2.1TO
Career 16.5pts on 44.8% shooting, 36.3% from deep. 4.0FTA 4.2reb 4.0ast 2.7TO
On the surface Buckets' story is a little different. His FGA are actually at the lowest of his career, but not significantly lower than last season. It just appears his shot isn't falling. Slumps happen and he may not have found a comfortable place yet. Unfortunately for the Clippers if Davis2 isn't scoring, what is he doing? With his attempts flat, assists up and turnovers down, I don't think its time to quit on him just yet because the evidence for ballhoggery or other undesirable behavior isn't there.
Tim Thomas:
08-09 17.2pts from 14.4FGA on 42.1% shooting, 30% from deep, 63.6% of his 6.3FTA. 7.6reb 1.7ast 2.3TO
Career 16pts from 13.4FGA on 43.6% shooting, 36.5% from deep, 75.6% of his 3.5FTA. 5.7reb 2.2ast 2.1TO
The story of TT this season is his scoring. Its up 1.2pts from his average and he is only taking 1 more shot from the field. In a vacuum this would be a very good thing. He is also getting to the line often, which would again be a good thing. Unfortunately like his deep stroke a year ago, his free throw shooting seems to have also vanished. He seems to have given up on that 3-ball since it is now only about 26% of his shot attempts vs 30% for his career. Its a good thing that he has recognized this and adjusted, but its a bad thing for the Clippers that it seems to have escaped him. Thomas' rebounding is up which is good and he has increased his scoring without wildly increasing his turnovers which is also good. Even though his absolute TO's are up, his TO% is down vs his career. I think you have to keep going with TT and hope he works out that FT situation. If the deep threat ever returns, he is actually a potent offensive weapon right now.
Marcus Camby:
08-09 11pts on 46.2% shooting, 84.6% from the line. 13.6reb 1.4ast 3.3blk 1.2TO
Career 12.6pts on 46.7% shooting, 67.9% from the line. 11.4reb 2.2ast 3.1blk 1.8TO
In contrast to Cat, old man Camby gets the vs career treatment because his production isn't falling off. Camby is largely doing what he does. The decrease in scoring is deceptive; he is just taking fewer shots and with the increase in FT% he is actually more efficient this year. His rebounding is stronger than ever. The nuance here with Camby is that for now his minutes are way down. That's bad for the Clippers, though its not really his fault. If he can get into that 32mpg range, it will be great things.
Chris Kaman:
08-09 13pts from 10FGA on 52.8% shooting, 67.7% from the line. 10.4reb 1.5ast 0.8stl 1.9blk 3.5TO 3.2PF
05-06 13.1pts from 9.9FGA on 52.3% shooting, 77% from the line. 10.5reb 1.1ast 0.6stl 1.5blk 2.5TO 3.8PF
07-08 15.2pts from 12.1FGA on 48.3% shooting, 76.2% from the line. 12.3reb 1.8ast 0.6stl 2.7blk 2.8TO 3.1PF
Lets call 05-06 Kaman, "Good Enough to Win a Playoff Series Chris". 07-08 Kaman, "Kaman 2.0". And 08-09 Kaman, "Still Kaman 2.0". First lets talk defense since that is pretty clear. You are getting the best defense Chris has ever played, from a traditional stats standpoint. His rebounds are flat vs GETWAPS Chris, but now he has an all-time rebounder starting next to him. His steals are up period. His blocks are up vs GETWAPS Chris, but down vs 2.0, but again, all time shot-blocker next door. His personal fouls are also way down from GETWAPS Chris, which is underrated in importance. His assists are also up, and they deserve to be even higher. Chris IS hitting the open man on kickouts, but what does it matter if its Ricky Brickets or Ballstopper Thornton? You just can't get an assist there.
So now its time for a little basketball mad-scientist next door. I am going to take away one of Kaman 2.0's missed FGA and make it a maddening turnover instead. Viola, Kaman 2.0 is now committing 3.8 turnovers per game, but shooting 52.2% just like GETWAPS Chris and Still Kaman 2.0. Is that turnover maddening? Absolutely. Is it functionally any different than a bad shot? Nope, its still ball other way.
Chris Kaman is fine. His one extra maddening turnover per game is not causing the Clippers to lose by 20. Though I will concede that it is obviously maddening. A reasonable person could argue that Kaman should be playing better, but it isn't fair to say he is playing worse now than before. He is right where history shows that he belongs. GETWAPS Kaman was good enough, and this version is better.
As an aside since the bigs are out of the way, Kaman, Camby and Thomas are averaging 24.9rpg. The Clippers are averaging a hair under 40 as a team. Let's step it up everyone else.
Baron Davis:
08-09 17.5pts on 37.3% shooting, 26.9% from deep. 3.9FTA 3.6reb 8.6ast 1.7stl 2.1TO 3.9PF
Career 17.3pts on 41.3% shooting, 32.4% from deep. 4.4FTA 4.1reb 7.4ast 2.0stl 2.8TO 2.9PF
Well, well, well. Ast/TO is pretty much all that is to the good, otherwise this year's BD is not contributing much. And that ast/TO might be tricky as well. Is his higher inclination to pass really a good thing? He is completely inefficient offensively, isn't getting to the line and is lagging in the hustle stats. He's yet to record a block this season. That foul situation isn't nice either. Reaching like that is another mark in the doesn't care column, besides the 1.5 points it puts on the ledger for the opponent. Also some scrub named Udrih burned him for like 100 points.
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Nike Blazer High Tier 0 - NBA Pack Los Angeles Clippers
Yikes! Only fit for Clipper Darrell. MAYBE.
about 1 month ago
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Gordon still wearing 23?
4 months ago
John R
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Summer League Report
Meh, I don't have any sweet scouting info from Summer League this year. Noone seemed special. Jared Jordan played and looked talented but over his head. Will Conroy looked like Will Conroy. DJ Strawberry is talented but without a clear position. Love didn't play because he is secretly already an injury disaster. A bunch of people committed a bunch of turnovers.
I ate chicken fingers and Dale Davis sat down near us. What is Dale Davis doing at summer league? Who knows? My beer tasted like it was the next beer in the line after the beer I had last year at summer league.
BUT I did get to see some old dude get away with making fun of Nate Robinson to his face as they retired his jersey in a very quick ceremony at halftime of the first game of the day.
Go to summer league, at least for a day.
4 months ago
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No finals in the Olympic Qualifying tournament?
If I'm reading this correctly, if you win your semi-final you are done. You only play if you lose your semi-final since in that game only the winner advances to the Olympics.
No winner?
Communists!
4 months ago
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Game over for free agency?
The buzz can die down.
Barring a change in status for Fazekas, Williams or Azubuike, this is probably your 2008-2009 Clippers.
Davis/Knight
Azubuike/Mobley/Gordon
Thornton/Thomas/Williams
Kaman/Powell
Camby/Fazekas
That rounds out your 12 man rotation. Taylor and Jordan make 14, with a spot left to play with.
So that's it. Everyone can exhale. Seems like they should be done.
Of course everytime we have believed that...
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MDSr on PMS 7/16
Dunleavy holds court on the radio again yesterday.
Nothing mind blowing here.
A highlight is the expression of the understanding that the Clippers could have Bird rights for Livingston next year if everyone is smart about it.
He ends saying the Clippers aren't done making moves, which may not really anything since they still have to sign a few more players.
4 months ago
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