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Nets 103, Knicks 101: “Another day. Another loss.”


Brooklyn Nets v New York Knicks Photo by Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE via Getty Images

The last time the Knicks were good, they were 13-4 after 17 games. On December 5, 2012 they rode a not-fake comeback to a 100-98 win over the Charlotte Hornets. Carmelo Anthony led the way with 23. Tyson Chandler had 18 and 17. Ronnie Brewer started that night. So did Kurt Thomas.

Since then, the Knicks have not been good. Their records after 17 games from 2013 through this season: 4-13, 4-13, 8-9, 8-9, 10-7, 4-13, and 4-13 yet again after a 103-101 loss to a Brooklyn Nets team missing Kyrie Irving and Caris LaVert. I have questions.

Why this?

How would Knox make out in his strange new world? Why was Knox in his strange new world rather than Damyean Dotson or Wayne Ellington? What are the odds of an NBA team getting repeatedly blown out at home? How could the Knicks stumble out of the gate yet again, trailing by 14 in the first quarter? Could Julius Randle find a new way to disappoint Knick fans beyond the turnovers and shot selection? Would you believe yes, he could?

How many shots could Marcus Morris hit in a row? Four? Five? Six? Seven? When the seventh tied it at 61, would some other Knick grab the baton and pull them in front? Does a team making 18-of-35 three-pointers overcome 16 turnovers through three quarters and a 34-to-16 free throw disparity? How was this game ever close with the number of clean looks Nets’ sharpshooter Joe Harris got?

Was is it worth it for David Fizdale to win his coach’s challenge getting Mitchell Robinson’s sixth foul overturned, given that right after that Robinson was challenged and bested by Spencer Dinwiddie on a lefty finish, then fouled out (on a bullshit call on a high switch) and got called for a technical foul (on another bullshit call)? How bad are a referee’s calls when Mike Breen of all people is calling them out? Will Ntilikina deliver the next time he’s up in the big moment?

Did you believe, or did you wanna believe, that this was one of those come-from-behind happily ever afters you want as badly now as every other happily ever after in every other lost year? Why else would you be here, if you weren’t? But you knew, yes? When? While it could have been the Joe Harris bucket in close, it was Dinwiddie, wasn’t it? How often is one guy the coffin and the nail?


  • I feel like Dinwiddie shoots 80% against the Knicks. That’s five straight games of 20+ points for a dude who might have ended up a very interesting Knick if they’d drafted him early in the 2014 second round instead of Cleanthony Early, currently hooping for Atomerőmű SE in the Hungarian Nemzeti Bajnokság I/A.
  • Clyde with high praise for Dinwiddie, comparing him to Earl Monroe: “He always has another dribble in him.”
  • I was high on the Morris signing. I knew I’d like watching him play. I like it more than I expected to. He’s ornery, he’s balanced, he’s tough, and he’s good. For one glorious, Zen-like moment, blissfully unaware of analytics and roster machinations and rings, I’m reminded some cats are just fun to watch ball. Marcus Moses Morris is.
  • Also: I bet some playoff team will be willing to trade a 1st for Morris come February. Do you care how low that pick is? If it’s 30th, do you do it? Might you pass and look to bring him back on a multi-year deal? What’d make you re-sign him over trade him?
  • Fizdale sent out a perhaps unprecedented lineup to open the fourth: Frank, Mitch and three shooters who can, to varying degrees, defend: Morris, Dotson and Ellington. The experiment was limited by Robinson quickly picking up his 4th and 5th fouls. But I’d love to see more of this look in the future.
  • Randle’s role has changed from last year in New Orleans to this year. This table appeared in Kevin O’Connor’s piece at The Ringer last week:

He’s cutting and rolling less, still posting up a bunch, and spotting up and isolating a ton, too. He’s on some continuum of being asked to take a greater number of lesser-quality shots and looking for them himself. He’s literally being put in positions to fail.

Now consider the coach’s dilemma: last season wasn’t about establishing a style of play, it was about throwing rookies in the river to see if they’d sink and not-trying for Zion. The organization probably assumed they were getting Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, two brilliant offenses unto themselves. Randle’s the only player on the roster to average 20 a night in the Association, so Fizdale sends him out there knowing he’s going to crash and burn in a system-less wonderland.

This paragraph is a simplification, hopefully one with intent: the above realities are the sorts of truths front office people learn to forget about when saving their own necks. Does this point make sense? I got a bad headache tonight.

  • Knox with another struggle. Just 18 minutes for your starting two-guard. Five points on 1-of-4 shooting.
  • Mike Breen is powerfully flummoxed by Randle’s shot selection. Breen expressing repeated frustration with anyone is the kiss of death, man.
  • The teams combined for 84 two-pointers and 73 three-pointers and no. No thank you. As an NBA fan I feel like I grew up watching a rainforest unfold and now I’m watching Levittown built brick by brick by so many bricks.
  • Tip of the cap to back in the day when the P&T comment sections found more than one of y’all talking ‘bout Iman Shumpert being second only to Dwyane Wade among two-guards in the East.
  • Allonzo Trier dreams of being Julius Randle.
  • Cool graphic from MSG: in Julius Erving’s ABA days with the New York Nets, he averaged — over 3-4 years — 28 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists, 2.3 steals and 2.1 blocks. Remember that next time a GOAT discussion treats NBA history like it began in 1984 busts out.
  • Breen HATES the coach’s challenge. I do, too, really. Just get rid of replay and keep the flow flowing, dummies.
  • Four names: Jerome Gourdine. Theo Pinson. Clarence Collins. Ernest Wright. One played for the Nets tonight. The other three were members of Little Anthony and the Imperials. You know who’s who?

Quoth Amares Bloodied hand: “Another day. Another loss.” That’s the spirit! Every loss gets you one L closer to the next W. Next game is Wednesday in Toronto. It can’t end in a tie, so see you then for an ending of some sort.