Posting and Toasting - Knicks at Bobcats~https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/community_logos/29802/posting_fave.png2014-01-25T02:50:35-05:00http://www.postingandtoasting.com/rss/stream/48463952014-01-25T02:50:35-05:002014-01-25T02:50:35-05:00Recap: Knicks 125, Bobcats 96, Melo 62
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<p>62.</p> <p>Unless things pick up drastically, the win over the Bobcats will stand like a middle finger amid the Knicks' emotional timeline this season. It's funny how that happens. Some <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDWZM1kojiY">of</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO1nUfObERw">my</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdrAlwqkdrg">most</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q99sL_g3jvo">excited</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMzWyNCKBYU">nights</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7nXZ4oIvi4">as</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks4EOAv7D1k">a</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxlDgn_DdwI">Knicks</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHg3BzVYSs">fan</a> have come during losing years, and this one towered over all of those. Simply, Carmelo Anthony's 62 points dwarf any Knick scoring performance in my experience, edging Bernard King and Kobe Bryant for the Knicks and Madison Square Garden single-game scoring records. Less simply, this game will stand for something someday. The Knicks will have rebounded or plummeted, Melo will have stayed or gone, and we'll plant 62 within a context, decorate it with meaning. For now, though, it's simple. We can gaze upon 62 utterly uncomplicated points-- a performance unsullied by ugly percentages or excess free throws or poor sportsmanship or a losing team effort, exactly better than its comparable predecessors. It's a towering pile of feints, half-spins, fade-aways, finishes, and wrist-flicks. Melo got up, he scored on the first possession, he kept scoring until he had 62 points, then he sat down.</p>
<p>The Knicks played quite well as a support team, too. They reminded us they can do that. There was a bounce to them, even before Melo took command. Three shooters at a time joined Melo to keep the floor spread and dissuade the Cats from hard doubles until it was far too late. They punctuated his torrents with hits of their own-- J.R. Smith's creative peaks off the dribble, the odd Raymond Felton pick-and-roll gem, moments of properly Chandlerian and Shumptilian defense, Jeremy Tyler smashing his way into the picture. I don't know what to make of the defense, really; at a certain point it turned into score-if-you-want-just-give-Melo-his-goddamn-ball-back-immediately, and comfortably so. The Knicks still let themselves get lit up a bit even before they turned to history-catering, but less sheepishly, I think. They played fine. It was the perfect setting for Melo's jewel of a night-- solid, with smaller <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wLcS6898rE">glimmering</a> things to complete the spectacle. Some other little notes:</p>
<p>- Clean though Melo's performance was, I will never forget that he went shot-for-shot with Jannero Pargo for a little while there. FARTDOG had a signature stretch in the second quarter.</p>
<p>- Melo never put together one truly huge streak of buckets, I don't think. There were regular moments at which one could have guessed he was about to cool off. I thought I felt it a few times in the first half, probably just because I tend toward pessimism at this point in the season, but then he <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxZWhQwjPk">tucked a half-court bomb</a> in before the first half's buzzer and it was pretty clear this was different. Late in the game, I got concerned again because I thought Melo might not have the legs to climb those lat few steps into the 60s, but yeah, nope. He was fine. Tired, but probably buzzing enough to crack...what, 70? 62 was exactly right, though.</p>
<p>- The Knicks didn't trust Cole Aldrich or Jeremy Tyler-- both playing their first real, extended minutes-- to guard Al Jefferson alone, which is reasonable, because Al's exactly the kind of dancing, cackling uncle to feast on a match-up with a youngster. I don't know whether the Knicks' help was nastier than usual or whether Jefferson just loathes to pass, but the help worked well. He got his numbers early, then tailed off.</p>
<p>- Aldrich didn't show much-- some good help, some bad help, some hustle, no touch-- but Tyler really asserted himself. Those dunks in the video linked above and both of his blocks really resonated.</p>
<p>- Mike Woodson didn't play two point guards that often, but like I said, he did let Melo play with three shooters. He also went '12-'13 wild-ass small for moments, like when Felton, Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr., Shump, and Tyler shared the floor.</p>
<p>- Foul trouble limited their engagement, but it was particularly rewarding (and must have been for him) to see Melo light up Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Kid's been in Melo's shit all season, but it just didn't matter this time. MKG could've climbed on the man's back and it wouldn't have mattered.</p>
<p>- Mike Breen on that J.R.-to-Tyler alley-oop: "I thought it was just another wild, erratic J.R. Smith shot!". He threw the ball behind his own head!</p>
<p>- Great game thread, y'all. It felt special! People watching from Sierra Leone and India and whatnot, people having birthdays. Great time, great friends.</p>
<p>I don't have much more in the way of notes. Other stuff has happened, other stuff will happen, but like CARMP said, at least that happened. That was a wonderful thing that happened. We get to keep it.</p>
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/1/25/5343970/knicks-125-bobcats-96-at-least-this-happenedSeth2014-01-14T21:30:30-05:002014-01-14T21:30:30-05:00Final Score: Bobcats 108, Knicks 98
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<p>Streak over :(</p> <p>Well, there goes that. Tuesday night in Charlotte was a SEGABABA after an overtime win and a late-night plane ride. The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.postingandtoasting.com/">Knicks</a> looked very much like a team playing a SEGABABA after an overtime win and a late-night plane ride. The Knicks were bushed. Guys just kinda moseyed from place to place, whether it was going through the motions in offensive sets or just not doing anything at all on defense. <span>Al Jefferson</span> lit 'em up down low, <span>Kemba Walker</span> embraced the FARTDOG from outside, and a very bad <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/charlotte-bobcats">Bobcats</a> team thoroughly dominated. Amar'e Stoudemire had a productive run of post-ups and jumpers and <span>Carmelo Anthony</span> caught a bit of heat after some shaky stretches against <span>Michael Kidd-Gilchrist</span>, but it wasn't nearly enough to make up for New York's consistently sedentary D. <span>Raymond Felton</span> fouled out.</p>
<p>I'm about ready to pretend that one never happened. The only lingering, minor question is why <span>J.R. Smith</span> didn't play. He'd had an okay couple of games since the last benching, and there haven't been any other transgressions we've heard about, so...what's the deal? Tim Hardaway Jr. wasn't playing *that* well. Weird.</p>
<p>I hope this was just a bad night-- a blip in what's otherwise been a solid stretch of games since the New Year. We'll see what happens Thursday against Indiana. Probably no recap.</p>
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<p>Tyson's back!</p> <p>Evenin'! The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.postingandtoasting.com/">Knicks</a> play a basketball game tonight in Charlotte against the Charlotte basketball team, the Robertcats. The big news of the day is this news:</p>
<blockquote lang="en" class="twitter-tweet"> <p>Starters tonight against <a href="https://twitter.com/bobcats">@bobcats</a> : Felton, Shumpert, Anthony, Bargnani, Chandler.</p>— NY_KnicksPR (@NY_KnicksPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/NY_KnicksPR/statuses/423221507121500160">January 14, 2014</a> </blockquote>
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<p>A healthy, lively (if he truly is those things) Chandler could combat FARTDOG's effort to give <span>Kemba Walker</span> 500 points and 300 assists, while <span>Kenyon Martin</span> will move to the bench and potentially do the same for other units.</p>
<p>Tip-off tonight is at 7. This is your game thread. <a href="http://www.rufusonfire.com">This is Rufus on Fire</a>. Please don't post large photos, GIFs, or links to illegal streams in the thread. Go the Knicks! Make it six straight!</p>
https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2014/1/14/5309422/game-thread-knicks-at-bobcats-1-14-14Seth2013-11-09T10:37:20-05:002013-11-09T10:37:20-05:00Knicks 101, Bobcats 91: "Bargmania!"
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<p>Yayyyy the Knicks won a non-terrifying game!</p> <p>What a smooth, natural win, eh? New York and Charlotte grappled a little early, then the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.postingandtoasting.com/">Knicks</a> got the upper hand and fought off one counter after another until the game was blown open and the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/charlotte-bobcats">Bobcats</a> were slain and we were at least briefly reminded that having a favorite basketball team can be quite satisfying. We needed that after four frustratingly uneven games to start the season. I have notes 4 u:</p>
<p>- This was <span>Andrea Bargnani's</span> night. It felt great to watch Andrea Bargnani have a night. Starting at "center" for the first time, Bargnani kept getting his touches in the middle of the floor ("The Bargnani Corridor"). He took a ton of pick-and-pop jumpers from just inside the arc and a ton more catch-and-shoot threes when good ball movement found him a step outside it, plus the occasional free throw line item off a pin-down or quick dribble move. Early on, as with all prior early ons, nothing fell. As the game progressed, Bargnani found some touch, and he had plenty of opportunities to find it. That pick-and-pop J can't really be defended, and when Bargnani started to cash them in, <span>Raymond Felton</span> and <span>Pablo Prigioni</span> just kept feeding him and feeding him and feeding him and feeding him with the most basic of bounce passes. On occasion, he'd pop a fake and stagger rim-ward-- most often from the baselines but ESPECIALLY on <a target="_blank" href="https://vine.co/v/hItjX3OIiPA">this straight-on crossover drive past </a>Josh McRoberts that would have ended life on earth had it succeeded*. All told, it was a LOT of offense for Bargnani, and thankfully pretty good offense as well-- some great looks as a screener, some great looks as a catcher, a little creativity off the dribble, and a quiet couple of gorgeous entry passes from up top-- unfettered by the turnover spurts we'd seen previously.</p>
<p>*Bargnani describing that move during his halftime interview with Tina Cervasio: "Uhhh nuh score it's a good move uhhhh nuhhh i have to score that."</p>
<p>That was a lot of words about offense, but this was not Bargnani's night because of his offense. If you didn't watch the game, you're gonna noogie me for saying this, but Andrea Bargnani replaced Tyson Chandler's defense Friday night. I swear he did. When called upon to defend the post or protect the rim in transition, Bargnani contested shots more often than not. I'd been annoyed in prior games by his apparent one-defensive-play-per-possession quota, but we saw him hedge properly and recover to his man plenty last night, actually finishing plays instead of hanging smaller guys out to dry. And speaking of smaller guys, Bargnani's greatest victory of the night was succeeding in a defensive scheme that seemed bound to expose him. The Knicks switched a lot, because they do that, and that left Bargnani to guard <span>Kemba Walker</span> as frequently as anyone else did. Walker recognized his advantage and skittered every which way, dribbling like seventeen steps to each loping Bargnani stride. But by god, the cat kept the mouse in check (the mouse, in this case, is a Bobcat. Try to keep up). He kept his feet through jinks and feints and harried-- if not outright swatted-- most of Walker's mid-range jumpers. He even scrambled back to the rim to help all the guards down there corral rebounds now and then. Yes, it's one game, and yes, it's the Bobcats, but Bargnani had a wide and varied defensive assignment Friday night and he absolutely aced it. I saw volume and promise on offense. I saw excellence on defense. 'Twas Bargmania, as several of you said in the thread. I was Bargmanic.</p>
<p>- And now a word for the true offensive "center", <span>Carmelo Anthony</span>, who deferred to Bargnani quite a bit, but managed an efficient, productive night just the same. Melo took most of his touches in the post, establishing deeper and deeper position to get the better of <span>Michael Kidd-Gilchrist</span>, who'd locked him right up the previous game. Making it an ass and elbow battle instead of a feet and hands battle turned that match-up in Melo's favor. The man does not lose ass battles. Those touches gave way to more face-up things when <span>Anthony Tolliver</span> took over defending him for stints, and Melo got a few buckets (although not always handsome ones) from those looks, too. But for the most part, that deep positioning put Melo around the rim, which allowed him to wrassle for five offensive rebounds and several put-backs. Melo played a lot of second-fiddle, and he played it sweetly.</p>
<p>- <span>Metta World Peace</span> seemed to turn the game by checking in after about 7 minutes of the first quarter. The Knicks were getting badly out-rebounded (11-4 at that point, by my count), surrendering a lot of inside position because of a flaky match-up zone-type thing on defense. Metta checked in for Pablo Prigioni and, at the very least, ensured that the Knicks got more second opportunities on their own misses and had at least one alert human being in the paint when the Bobcats got to attacking. Interestingly enough (<a target="_blank" href="http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2013/11/8/5083008/final-score-knicks-101-bobcats-91#196233243">and allzingers summed this up well</a>), Metta seemed to curtail his chuckish ways with Melo and Bargnani on the floor alongside him. He shot a healthy 4-9, including a three and at least one bucket off a put-back.</p>
<p>- Felton missed an early baseline J out of an elevator-doors set, but got some other nice looks to fall from up top in the first quarter. Then he went cold the rest of the way. Not at all cold: Pablo Prigioni, who hit three of four looong three-pointers when given space over Bargnani/Martin screens. Both guys threw lovely little bounce passes to set up Bargnani pick-and-pops. I particularly like Pablo's behind-the-back game.</p>
<p>- <span>Iman Shumpert</span> took only three shots, sinking a three and going 1-for-2 on clean pull-ups in transition. He could (should) have taken many more shots, but the ball wouldn't find him for minutes at a time, and when it did, he was more inclined to make an extra pass and keep things moving around the perimeter. His sharing set up some great looks, too, so it's not like his deference was for naught. Still, though, three shots is too few for 39 minutes. It would have been nice to see Shump run off a few curls or just take matters into his own hands and attack off the dribble. Not a bad game at all (four assists, seven rebounds), just a quiet one. Offensively. Defensively, he's still reaching too much. Good doubles and attention to the glass (and a nice few minutes on Walker), but much too much reaching in one-on-one match-ups.</p>
<p>- <span>Kenyon Martin</span> set lots of great screens in ten minutes. Amar'e Stoudemire scored off two lovely oh-yeah-he's-not-dead baseline dribble moves (and one big dunk!), drew two charges, and played comically horrendous help defense. Those two on the floor together briefly wasn't a great look.</p>
<p>- Tim Hardaway Jr. played 14 minutes (Woodson played a deep but more top-heavy rotation in this one, which was a bit surprising). He drilled a lovely jumper catching off a screen and another catching from a standstill, bricked a terrible pull-up, then ruined two good touches with travels later in the game.</p>
<p>- <span>Beno Udrih</span> played but I do not remember it. It ended up being just four minutes. Again, the rotation wasn't really that deep, minutes-wise.</p>
<p>- GARBAGE TIME!!!!! <span>Cole Aldrich</span> and Toure' Murry saw their first minutes as Knicks. Aldrich did nothing. Murry wishes he did nothing, because the things he did were 1. drop a pass and 2. drive directly into a defender's neck, try to shoot a runner from like 11 feet away, and offer up the easiest shot-block of all time. Nerves.</p>
<p>- The game-closing lineup before that: Felton, Shump, Metta, Melo, Bargnani. Those are the five that build the lead early, too.</p>
<p>- Knocking Melo's headband off should be a foul every time. Two shots the ball, the ball, and Melo gets one free kidney punch on the fouler. DON'T TOUCH HIS HEADBAND.</p>
<p>- Good lord, the Bobcats took 30 free throws. The Knicks took 14 more field goals and ten more threes, though (12-26!), so that more than evened things out. Pretty even turnover-wise, but mostly because the Knicks got sloppy when the game was already getting out of hand. I think.</p>
<p>That's it. Good game. The Knicks finally played confidently and consistently, and it allowed them to take care of a team they should beat. That's a start. Up next: the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.poundingtherock.com/">Spurs</a> on Sunday. The Knicks <a target="_blank" href="http://www.jrsmith.com/">will look just a bit different</a> that day.</p>
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<p>They did it!</p> <p>I will take it. I will absolutely take it. It took three straight losses, a crucial injury, a player's only meeting, and a depleted Bobcats team for the Knicks to get a convincing win, but they did it and it was beautiful. Andrea Bargnani starred at center. He found his shot for stretches in the pick-and-pop and played genuinely excellent center defense, grabbing eight rebounds and recording five blocks and deterring a lot more shots, even in frequent switches on Charlotte's nimble guards. Carmelo Anthony led the scoring with 28 points on 22 shots, including a bunch of second opportunities earned off hard work under the basket.</p>
<p>It was a team thing, though. It started with Mike Woodson playing some sensible lineups and carried over to those lineups giving each other room to breathe and making quick, decisive passes to find open shots (and hitting those open shots). Sound offense fed sound defense that permitted many fewer transition buckets than we'd seen previously and attended to the backboards more and more after a problematic start.</p>
<p>The Knicks looked like a real, functional basketball team tonight, and they did it for the majority of a 48-minute game. That means a lot right now. I'll have a bunch of notes up in the morning. For now, you're fucking right I'm gonna go celebrate my team hitting 2-3 after a win over the Bobcats.</p>
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<p>The Knicks and Robertcats tip at 7.</p> <p>Here's the second of that back-to-back and the first game this season utterly devoid of Tyson Chandler. The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.postingandtoasting.com/">Knicks</a> will start <span>Raymond Felton</span>, <span>Pablo Prigioni</span>, <span>Iman Shumpert</span>, <span>Carmelo Anthony</span>, and Andrea Bargnani. Beno Udrih should play some. <span>Cole Aldrich</span> could play some. According to Woodson, they'll double and trap a lot. <span>Patrick Ewing</span>, who you've probably heard of, will coach the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/charlotte-bobcats">Bobcats</a>.</p>
<p>Here's your thread. Please don't post large photos, GIFs, or links to illegal streams in this thread. <a href="http://www.rufusonfire.com">Rufus on Fire</a> is here, and it is great. Go the Knicks! Please, the Knicks.</p>
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<p>They'll see how they manage without Tyson Chandler before making any cuts and signings.</p> <p><span>Mike Woodson</span> spoke to reporters in Charlotte this morning and confirmed what reporters had heard: The <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.postingandtoasting.com/">Knicks</a> won't sign anyone to fill in for <span>Tyson Chandler</span>. At least not yet.</p>
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<p>Note that Jeremy Tyler's timetable for recovery from foot surgery <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/398851930522263552">puts him back on the court in early December</a>, so that could be what the Knicks are waiting for.</p>
<p>In the meantime, there are baskets to be balled. We got some more updates on who and how Woodson intends to play henceforth, starting tonight against the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/charlotte-bobcats">Bobcats</a>:</p>
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<p>Mike Woodson said Amar'e may play 15 minutes tonight. He hopes to play Kenyon between 15-20. "Got to figure out how to get a win," he said.</p>
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<p>So yeah, there goes the Amar'e Stoudemire/Kenyon Martin Preservation Initiative . Couldn't really be sustained with the current roster.</p>
<p>As expected, a two-point-guard, Bargnani-at-the-five lineup <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/jonahballow/status/398851328941641728">will start tonight</a>, and they'll play aggressive defense early in possessions:</p>
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<p>Good luck with that! I've seen some sound traps and doubles from the Knicks through four games-- including those involving Andrea Bargnani-- but: 1. The non-pick-and-roll doubles in particular have a tendency to arrive at inopportune moments against non-double-worthy players. 2. In either case, most Knick lineups will lack anyone capable of protecting the rim should the ball find an open man. If the Knick energy flags like it has in previous games, trapping and doubling could turn sour quickly.</p>
<p>That energy better not flag, though. Not after a PLAYER'S ONLY MEETING, the signature move of the faltering team:</p>
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<p><span>Carmelo Anthony</span> says he and his teammates met after the loss to Charlotte. His message to everyone: "We have to want it." <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Knicks&src=hash">#Knicks</a></p>
— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/statuses/398842348794175488">November 8, 2013</a>
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<p>Regarding the Bobcats: <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/398846714322239488">Al Jefferson is still out</a> and <span>Steve Clifford</span> spent the night in the hospital (feel better, Coach Clifford), so <span>Patrick Ewing</span> <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman/status/398840617536458752">may end up coaching against the Knicks tonight</a>. That sound you hear is a dozen beat reporters popping boners all at once.</p>
<p>Tip-off tonight is at 7, not 7:30. Don't be late! Oh, and if you're not an MSGsman, the game's on NBA TV, so perhaps you'll be able to catch it. Game thread'll be up later. <3</p>
<p>What are you eating for lunch? Gimme it</p>
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